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Guitarists - What Happened To Fretplay.com?  
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8406 times:
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I've used Fretplay.com quite a bit lately for music and tablature, but today found this on their site in place of all the tabs that were once there:



What gives? Is tablature suddenly copyrighted? How could this be if it's all based on individual user contributions?


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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8401 times:

I know, it sucks. I was a regular at fretplay too.

Apparently (according to a friend of mine who is an insider at Warner Music), the next wave of lawsuits from the music industry will be attacking visual publication of copyrighted materials. Fretplay was the number 1 most prominent website out there, so I imagine they've taken themselves down to protect their asses after being slapped with a cease and desist.


User currently offlineKazzie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8397 times:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/

Wicked!


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8390 times:

I was a regular there as well. This has happened to a lot of tab sites recently too. One I used to visit, the Online Guitar Archive found here was closed due to copyright issues. If you visit the site you can see the legal letters that were sent to them by the lawyers of different artists.

However, since I enjoy and play country music, my favorite site now is Country Tabs It's a pay site, not too much for a yearly membership, but they also have links there to Rock, Aussie and Christian tab sites which are equally good. I highly recommend this collection of sites.


User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8386 times:

Same deal with mxtabs. Ultimate-Guitar got a number of letters from the various record industry shticks, but because they are located overseas, they dont have to take the site down.


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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8378 times:

Well, you could learn the stuff by ear. duck  Wink

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8371 times:
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Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 5):
Well, you could learn the stuff by ear.

Why bother when someone else has conveniently done it for you already?  Wink



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User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1622 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8369 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 5):
Well, you could learn the stuff by ear

Well, what if you have no ears? Like me?  Wink

All the instruments I play (piano, guitar, and now, self-teaching violin), I have learned from written music. You could say I learn "by eye"! The most valuable skill my piano teachers ever taught me was "sightreading"; I can pick up just about any piece of sheet music and play it. Music is my most fluent language (next to English), and I can read music perfectly--thanks to this skill they taught me.

Now back on topic: What will happen to Musicnotes.com and other sites where you can buy and download (to print) sheet music right away? (Also called digital sheet music). That's where I have gotten much of my large library of piano sheet music from. Will the Fretplay issue affect these too?

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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8360 times:

Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 7):
What will happen to Musicnotes.com and other sites where you can buy and download (to print) sheet music right away? (Also called digital sheet music). That's where I have gotten much of my large library of piano sheet music from. Will the Fretplay issue affect these too?

I checked out Musicnotes, and they claim to be a legal service. I couldn't find a nice legal page that desribed how they have arrangements with copyright holders; that would've been nice.

Hmmm...litigation can, of course, take place at any time. But they may be different from a site like Fretplay who justs posts everything up there for you. As Kazzie mentioned, ultimate-guitar is still up and running. I'm not sure why they have not suffered the same hiatus as Fretplay (perhpas just not located yet?).

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
Why bother when someone else has conveniently done it for you already?

Well, I should say that most of what I play is original stuff, but as for many covers, and being predominantly a bass player, I can pretty much improvise a line by watching the chords on the guitarist's fingerboard and drawing on 30 years of listening to and playing music. That line will sound near as dammit to the bass line in the real song. Case in point, in waiting for our lead singer to get in to BOS from NYC tonight, we did War Pigs, Wrapped Around my Finger (played guitar on that one) and Hotel California. Three tunes I'd never played before, but had heard many times.

There's also much to be said for not copying the tune, but making it your own. Tab can show you the basic changes and melody, and there's certainly nothing wrong with it, as it is just basically sheet music presented in an unusual way, but people who really appreciate music want to hear how you interpet it, not just an exact re-hash of the original. That demonstrates technical ability bereft of soul. So, to me, it's fine as a tool, but not as an absolute.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8354 times:
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Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 8):
people who really appreciate music want to hear how you interpet it

That's an overly-broad statement that implies that those who prefer a rendition that's faithful to the original are somehow devoid of the ability to appreciate music, though. Both ways are equally valid. It allows each individual to improvise if they wish, or staunchly adhere to the original as well. That's where the beauty lies - in the choice.



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8351 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9):
That's an overly-broad statement that implies that those who prefer a rendition that's faithful to the original are somehow devoid of the ability to appreciate music, though.

Not so overly-broad. Buy the record, appreciate their interpretation. If you blindly re-play what's been done, what have you accomplished? Something that's already been accomplished? That's not a major accomplishment in my book. If you are a learning guitarist, it is, but take that for what's it's worth.

I'm all into original shit, so take me with a grain or two.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9):
That's where the beauty lies - in the choice

The boy has no real choice!

Well, no Google images of the bolshy great bastard on Google.


User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8345 times:

I used to visit several other sites for guitar pro tabs - all of them stopped becuase even though somebody had actually used their own ears and tabbed it, it was still copywrite infringment. Sad really, DAMN YOU, RIAA!!!

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8328 times:
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Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 10):
If you blindly re-play what's been done, what have you accomplished? Something that's already been accomplished? That's not a major accomplishment in my book.

Who says music has to have an element of accomplishment behind it to appreciate or enjoy it?



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8316 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 12):
Who says music has to have an element of accomplishment behind it to appreciate or enjoy it?

In retrospect, if you enjoy playing it, then there has indeed been an accomplishment. That's a key element. The point I was trying to make about tabs is that it's all well and good to cop licks from them, but in the long run, my perspective on music is that it is best to create rather than to replicate.


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