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Why Did I Find This Offensive?  
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 2672 times:

I still can't quite figure out why I was bothered by this. At the gym last night, I was using one of the two squat racks and two early 20's black men were using the other one. They were talking quite a bit, and it did not escape my notice that they were constantly using the word "nigger" (or "nigga," as they pronounced it). They were using it casually in their conversation, not in an angry sense. I was close enough to hear them easily, and they must have known that I could hear.
There's no obvious reason why I was bothered by their talk, after all I'm not black. In fact, I briefly considered asking them not to talk that way in my presence, but held back because they'd probably think I was nuts ("Why would that offend you?") But still, I certainly don't use that word, and don't think anyone else should regardless of race.
Was it strange that I was bothered by their talking that way?


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User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 2666 times:

No. I also find the use of that word offensive, also regardless of race. However, Im also told by many of my friends (many black) that it is a casual word now, not meant for negative racial connotations, merely racial connotations, many times positive. But I just can't find it in me to use it, it makes me feel dirty somehow. It's just how I was raised, and I don't think my train of thought will ever change. It has been by my friends (again, most of them black) used several times in the company of friends, but I have never slandered anyone with it, and Ive decided I don't like the word. Period.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

You don't have to be black to find racism offensive.

The thing is, as I'm sure you are aware, in certain context, and between individuals, it is meant as a generic term and at times a term of endearment. I guess the question is, should terms of endearment that have the possibility to offend be used in public conversation?

eg, if I used the X-rated, bedroom version term of endearment I use for my wife in public conversation......well, it would make for a very different dinner party....

I'm with you, the "n" word, even in a non-racist context, needs to be within a closed group, not for public ears


User currently offlineStrasserB From Singapore, joined Nov 2005, 1541 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

I wonder how a hotel general manager contributes to a topic related to racism or offensive terms using this signature:

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 2):
I'll use your head as a bucket and paint my house with your brains

Is the meaning supposed to be "funny" and did I only misunderstand it?



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

I personally don't like the word either, but note two interesting points.

1. The actual origins of the word, and how it was originally used, was not in a derogatory sense, but over time, it came to be just that.

2. Some black people use it among themselves, a black guy speaking to a black guy, however should a white guy, or someone from another race address a black guy in that manner, it would most likely be taken offensively.

P.S. I am black Big grin



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User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Quoting StrasserB (Reply 3):

LOL!!

Seeing as we're on the topic of racism, can I use a classic stereotype to repond to your question?? ie I would never expect an up tight German to understand my, or anybody's sense of humour!!

Loosen up my friend. It's a line from "The Simpsons", Moe, (one of my favourite characters)


User currently offlineStrasserB From Singapore, joined Nov 2005, 1541 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 5):
Loosen up my friend. It's a line from "The Simpsons", Moe, (one of my favourite characters)

Oh, now that I know ....  white 
Thank you.



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User currently offlineSlovacek747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

I'm white as can be and use the nigger word. we are what we are.. i'm a cracker and i dont care if people call me that.. the word was acceptable back in the day and my grandpa and I use it all the time. No reason it has to mean its derogatory in today's society.

Slovacek747


User currently offlineVikingA346 From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Personally, I think the word should be regarded as vulgar, universally. Nobody should use it - whether it is between black people or even worse, between races.

Whether the word is nigg*r or ni**a, it doesn't matter. Just don't use the word, period. Unfortunately we can't snap our fingers and see the word disappear.

[Edited 2006-10-21 13:02:59]


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2476 times:
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I posted something like this a few months ago. I came across this website in the NYT, which made alot of sense to me. This is a group of African Americans who're trying to make the vulgarity of the word universal.
http://www.banthenword.org/



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 7):
I'm white as can be and use the nigger word. we are what we are.. i'm a cracker and i dont care if people call me that.. the word was acceptable back in the day and my grandpa and I use it all the time. No reason it has to mean its derogatory in today's society.

Yes, but considering your other posts on here, one has to wonder just how non-offensive you actually mean it to be.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):
Was it strange that I was bothered by their talking that way?

No. The simplest reason: hypocrasy. They can use it, we can't.

Keep in mind the African Americans I know who are professionals do NOT use the term (at least not in mixed company). IMHO people who use that word are classless.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

It's always been interesting to me how the use of the word "nigger" is almost universally condemned and considered extremely offensive, yet the same people who find "nigger" offensive wouldn't think twice about using the word "faggot".


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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

I'd be uncomfortable with that. I've never heard a clean-cut or "friendly" black person use the word "nigga". When I hear a black person using that word freely I definitely don't feel safe being around them.

[Edited 2006-10-21 17:17:15]


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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10350 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

I've had some black friends who used it, and some who didn't. Personally, I couldn't care less either way. In fact, I probably could have said it around them and they wouldn't have cared.

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 11):
Well they certainly have their issues and aren't quite up to par with the white European race but thats for another topic.

"They" meaning African-Americans? Way to make stupid blanket statements.

~Vik



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User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 13):
faggot

Ive never known anyone to be offended by that. BTW, i believe in the dictionary, a definition as a gay person isnt listed. It is a bundle of sticks.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 16):
Ive never known anyone to be offended by that. BTW, i believe in the dictionary, a definition as a gay person isnt listed

1) You're obviously not gay. 2) What's in the dictionary is completely irrelevant. If Webster's takes "nigger" out of the dictionary, does that mean the word suddenly has no meaning?



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User currently offlineCOIAH756CA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 506 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

I always thought young African-American males used the term frequently.

Rap songs these days have the word at least 20 times in the song.

My $.02



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User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2597 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

I actually think that in the USA the word is not necessarily offensive. Okay - it will be deemed offensive in general for many years to come, but as it becomes more and more of a casual word I think it will eventually become acceptable - in an affectionate way of course.

I mean, look at the amount of times the word bugger is used in the UK. "Ya daft bugger" etc. The word is used non-offensively on most occasions, but just think where the word came from originally!


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Quoting PROSA (Thread starter):

I think the best line I've heard on this subject is from Coach Carter (Samuel L. Jackson) in the movie Coach Carter. Not the exact quote as it's been a while since I've seen it, but:
"Nigger was a derogatory term used torward our ancestors, and by using it amongst yourselves, you give the white man a reason to use it too."--something to that effect.
If anyone has the movie and wants to pop in the movie to get the exact quote and correct this, feel free to do so.


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 7):



Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 11):

 laughing  Wow. I don't know what to say..........

I don't find it offensive unless it's someone from another race. Why? True, when the word was first used in the United States, the N word wasn't originally considered offensive, but a denotative of black. This was the case in much of the world as well. However, the N word evolved into a derogatory term to refer to Black people as inferior, lazy, stupid, and criminally inclined by other races.

Dave



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User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Quoting TWFirst (Reply 13):
yet the same people who find "nigger" offensive wouldn't think twice about using the word "faggot".

I don't use either term. I find both offensive....and I'm white..and straight.



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Quoting Slovacek747 (Reply 7):
I'm white as can be and use the nigger word. we are what we are.. i'm a cracker and i dont care if people call me that.. the word was acceptable back in the day and my grandpa and I use it all the time. No reason it has to mean its derogatory in today's society.

The word may have not been derogative at the beginning. But we all know how that changed over time. It was used in a derogative way, esp. during the height of a racially tense America. Don't be naive, and pretend you do not know that. And judging by you post, it seems you may have some racist tendancy, but then I don't know you, so I shouldn't say that. I sincerely hope you are joking though.

To avoid all controversy no one should use that word, white people, nor black people nor anyone in between. There are many other words in the dictionary to be used.

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 22):
I don't use either term. I find both offensive....and I'm white..and straight.

I agree with you.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 14):
I'd be uncomfortable with that. I've never heard a clean-cut or "friendly" black person use the word "nigga".

HEHE I like how you stated that. But you are correct, better said only certain types of people tend to use the word. The young hiphop/rap 'wanna be' crowd. I can't imagine my father saying that word. I am laughing at the though.



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

I wouldn't find it offensive at all. Now if I saw a white person calling a black person nigger, that would be offensive. But the word is used to offend black people, at the hands of white people, if black people want to call themselves that, that's their business I guess. It doesn't really make them sound all that intelligent, but that's not my concern.

User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 12):
o. The simplest reason: hypocrasy. They can use it, we can't.

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Mr. Ted, you have hit the nail on the head here.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 24):
I wouldn't find it offensive at all. Now if I saw a white person calling a black person nigger, that would be offensive.

In other words, you support hypocrisy.
Black people using the words tells me they must not find it all that offensive, and thus they shouldn't get angry should someone else use it. If they don't like it being used, they shouldn't use it themselves, plain and simple.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 14):
I've never heard a clean-cut or "friendly" black person use the word "nigga".

They also don't speak ebonics, wear "gangsta" style clothes, or wear the massive "bling-bling". They speak clear English and dress professionally and they don't act like the world owes them a favor. I can assure you I would never hire anyone who was looking for a job who used the word "nigga" or "nigger" or the like.

Quoting COIAH756CA (Reply 18):
Rap songs these days have the word at least 20 times in the song.

Along with "Bitch/Bitches" and "Ho's" and a friendly message of killing cops or using drugs or capping some "nigga n da hood" or slapping some "ho's".


25 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Why do you say 'they' as if all black people are the same person? I don't find it offensive unless it's someone from another race. Why? True, when th
26 Duff44 : Why (some, not all) African American call each other "nigger" I will never know. They've spent hundreds of years trying to eradicate that word, and ye
27 NeilYYZ : People are going to be hyppocritical whether I support it or not, which I don't. However, I would not be offended if two people use a word in convers
28 Jwenting : well said. Even more revealing, if blacks call Caucasians "whitey" or other terms meant as deregatory that's perfectly fine with the PC police. If a
29 Solnabo : If I have a african good friend and say - Yo, whazzup nigga´ would he be offended or would he just laugh? I wouldn´t get offended if he said -Im fin
30 PureKiwi : In my area its fine for a black to use Nigga even when there putting down other blacks but as soon as a white person uses Nigga everyone acts like you
31 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Now I am (seriously) curious. How many black people do you know up there in Sweden, and how many of them have had to do deal with racial prejudice. T
32 NeilYYZ : It is offensive, derogatory and racist to African Americans. That's why I don't use the term. Now being a white caucasian, it's not offensive to me,
33 DavestanKSAN : Exactly. If you don't understand why it's offensive for a White person to call an African-American the N word, well, then DeltaJets you've shown anot
34 Captaink : It may be pure hypocrisy, it may be silly, it may be whatever. But understand for those of you don't... If a black person calls a black person a nigge
35 Boeing Nut : It is totally hypocritical to me because they are trying to make a positive out of one of the most negative things ever conceived.
36 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Way to try to completely twist what I stated you tool (Only helped by the fact that you didn't really quote my statement, just filled it in with "bla
37 Post contains images DavestanKSAN :    You are so blatantly ignorant it's funny. Actually, sad at the same time. It's been explained many times on this thread. You say I need reading c
38 Redngold : Let me tell you something, Davestan... If he actually answered those questions, you would probably say "working with a black person... having 2 black
39 DavestanKSAN : That's actually not what I was getting at.....sorry for the confusion. I was trying to say if he had worked with Black People, Hung around Black Peop
40 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Anyone with an IQ greater than single digits could figure out that there's a difference between using the word in the argument and using it as a term
41 Captaink : Ok you didnt have to go so far about the father thing. I mean we are getting little hot headed here. I don't know who is black here and who isn,t but
42 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Again: But you say: This is probably your best argument, but it's not true in all cases. as opposed to: "I don't use the N word at any time." It's ab
43 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : I know black people like this who have referred to their buddies as "nigger" too. But that certainly doesn't make them the majority of the black peop
44 Post contains links and images DavestanKSAN : Again you miss the point. You don't understand why black people call each other the N word. It's been explained to you several times in this thread. S
45 FlyboyOz : Haha...remember from the movie called "Rush Hour"...jackie chan met his black policeman. He took Jackie chan to the pub and said "niggers" to his blac
46 DavestanKSAN : Let me apologize and retract this statement, as I read your post wrong. You are right about that. However, it is still not your place to judge Africa
47 FlyDeltaJets87 : No, the only thing that has been established is that it's not as offensive for a black person to refer to another black person as "nigger" as it is f
48 DavestanKSAN : Good post. You didn't make any stereotypes. See, the difference between your last post and your previous ones was this last post actually had some tho
49 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Thanks. I think that's the first compliment you've given me all thread. Maybe "respectable" wasn't the right term. "Conservative" may have been a bet
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