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User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

I'm intrested in buying a Smart. Any of you know/have this kind of car ? I need some advises pro and/or contra.
Cheers

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju6t-yyoU8s

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

...brought to you by the makers of Cadbury's Creme Egg...



Have you no pride ?


User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1433 times:

Thanks ANC, great link. I'm quiet surprised how safe the Smart is - I mean concerning its size.

User currently offlineLiedetectors From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 3):
. I'm quiet surprised how safe the Smart is - I mean concerning its size.

At lows speeds yes. But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.



If it was said by us, then it must be true.
User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):
At lows speeds yes

I'm not planing to drive a Smart fast - it simply wasn't build for that. It was build for driving around in major cities, and that's what I need it for.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):
But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.

As in most other cars - don't kid yourself about your chances surviving a high-speed crash in any larger car.

The car may well survive - as the Smart in this case - but the human body still isn't made of steel.


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 48
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

I'd go for a Think.  Wink



Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

From wich carmaker ?

User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 8):
From wich carmaker ?

Think is a Norwegian made Car. (Called "Think") but Ford bought the company, and then they didn't want it anymore or something. Not 100% sure what the situation is...

Obviously they don't have to be a convertible...  Smile

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):
At lows speeds yes. But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.

It said a high speed impact in any car would have killed the drivers.

So much for the argument that huge SUV's are safer  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 10):
So much for the argument that huge SUV's are safer

I'll take my BAFDT over a SMART or THINK any day of the week . . . I would imagine my chances of survival in this . . . .



. . . . are far greater than my chances of survival in this:



Give me a BAFDT over a Euro-Spec car any day of the week . . .


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4626 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
I would imagine my chances of survival in this . .

It totally depends on the accident. In a single vehicle accident you're probably better off in a Smart believe it or not. Thanks to the crumple zones.



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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 12):
In a single vehicle accident you're probably better off in a Smart believe it or not. Thanks to the crumple zones.

In Alaska, you're probably more likely to hit the Pope than you are another vehicle.  Wink



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):
Quoting 7474ever (Reply 3):. I'm quiet surprised how safe the Smart is - I mean concerning its size.
At lows speeds yes. But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.
As in most other cars - don't kid yourself about your chances surviving a high-speed crash in any larger car.

Correct. Even if the passenger compartment survives intact, the human body probably can't stand the forces involved going from 70 to 0 in one second.


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
I'll take my BAFDT over a SMART or THINK any day of the week . . . I would imagine my chances of survival in this . .

SUVs are notorious for overturning when they are suddenly swerved. There was a Top Gear (or 5th gear....not sure) episode about this, where they tested a Range Rover and a Jaguar. They were both following a car (which was in front), which suddenly braked...the Jag was able to swerve and avoid hitting the vehicle in front, but when the Range Rover swerved, it went cartwheeling 4-5 times...scary stuff.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 12):
It totally depends on the accident. In a single vehicle accident you're probably better off in a Smart believe it or not.

 rotfl 

How many single vehicle accidents have you seen (much less investigated) a truck like mine get in to? I've seen many . . . other than a bent bumper or a caved finder, not much else to write home about . . .


As for crumple zones, well - I figure someone driving the Smart has about 24 inches of crumple zone in front of the windshield - then the driver is fucked. I pretty much have an 8 foot hood with plenty of 'crumple' out there.

In a multi-vehicle incident, involving say, my BAFDT and perhaps a Toyota Tundra, or a (God forbid) Dodge Neon or that spare tire in the photo above, who do you think is gonna come outta that in better shape?

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15):
There was a Top Gear (or 5th gear....not sure) episode about this, where they tested a Range Rover and a Jaguar.

And I wouldn't own either one . . . they're nothing but wannabes, along with the Mercedes, Toyota, BMW and all the other psuedo SUVs out there.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
Even if the passenger compartment survives intact, the human body probably can't stand the forces involved going from 70 to 0 in one second.

Not unless you're strapped in like Tony Stewart . . .

. . . . .

I'm sticking with the BAFDT . . . you can keep those lawnmower engine powered roller skates on steroids.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
I'm sticking with the BAFDT . . . you can keep those lawnmower engine powered roller skates on steroids.

 rotfl  Thats priceless.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):

I'd rather have a Kinder Surprise!

 Wink

Rgds.


User currently offline7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
I'll take my BAFDT over a SMART or THINK any day of the week

It depense on what you car is needed for. The car in the pic...Hmmm...doesn't really fit the streets of Tel-Aviv if you know what I mean...comparing the two is like comparing the Extra300 to a 777.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

Quoting 7474ever (Reply 19):
It depense on what you car is needed for. The

Quite true. I would like to see the Smart or the other 'Speck' car manage in six, ten, fifteen inches of snow . . . or on ice . . . on a combination of the above . . . just not suitable for Alaska.


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1231 times:

Forget Smart. It's so small it's useless. Sometime you just need more trunk space than to fit your backpack or take more than one pax.
I'd go for one of these:



Peugeot 107 and especially Citroen C1 is much cheaper than Toyota Aygo only because of the badge (living proof how stupid brand awareness sometimes is).
The cars are identical, designed, developed and manufactured by Toyota, powered by Toyota's exellent 1.0 VVTi engone. The only difference is design of headlights.
It's only marketed and sold under three different badges.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1195 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
As for crumple zones, well - I figure someone driving the Smart has about 24 inches of crumple zone in front of the windshield - then the driver is fucked. I pretty much have an 8 foot hood with plenty of 'crumple' out there.

No, you don't.

You have a few centimeters between the radiator and the motor block and again a few between the motor and yourself.

That's it.

Please drive carefully!


User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):
But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.

And you have to watch it till the end to hear that. All five and a half minutes. But it was interesting to watch.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
lawnmower engine powered roller skates on steroids.

I was thinking weedeater.  Wink

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
That's it.

And the engine block is very well secured to the frame, absorbing a ton of energy before it's transferred through a heavy-duty firewall to the driver/passenger.

I sticking with the truck on this one. I own one too.  Wink

Quoting 7474ever (Thread starter):

I can't give you any advice on the Smart, one way or the other. But go with a truck.  Wink


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
No, you don't.

Yes, I do . . .  biggrin 

And when that little Euro-Speck of a car gets hit, and after I roll over the top of it, perhaps damaging the skid plate covering my transmission and fuel cell, I'll send you a photo. Or when it rear ends me and they peel the thing from under my rear bumper where it is jammed in up to the windshield and all the driver of the Euro-Speck can see is a close up version of my license plate, we'll see who comes out of it in better shape.

Now should something hit me dead on head to head, there's a lot of engine in there to stop it. 7.6 liters is pretty damn big. What ever hits me may well get through the Moose Catcher, and plow right through the radiator and engine and transmission oil coolers but it's gonna stop shortly thereafter. Unless of course, it's one of these Euro-Speck cars, in which case, I'm sure I'll be able to put the tranny in 4-Low and back down off the top of it . . .

I've seen these Superduties after accidents. I've investigated accidents with these Superduties. My trust in them is NOT unfounded.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Please drive carefully!

Thanks!  thumbsup  I shall endeavor to do so . . . .

Seriously though: My only concern is being top heavy. The truck does sit fairly high off the ground - eighteen inches to the bottom of the frame rail - and a sudden jerk of the wheel might prove complicating.


25 Post contains links and images Allstarflyer : That's surprising to read. I just went here . . . http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/Index2.cfm . . . since the Toyota Sequoia was the first SUV that came
26 Post contains images Diamond : BadCrop BadLevel BadMotiv BadSharp
27 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Guess it won't be in BADFTs.net will it . . .
28 Klaus : That doesn't help a lot - the rigid motor block defeats most of the theoretical crumple zone you would have had, and the harder the firewall is, the
29 Greasespot : My next car will be a Smart....My Dad has one and it is awsome. GS
30 ANCFlyer : I guess that's perspective Klaus. Ever see what happens to a - lets say Chevrolet Pickup - that hits one of these Superduties??? That engine, and it'
31 7474ever : There are a lot of them in Paris, Rome, Milan, Berlin, Munich etc.
32 Post contains images Cornish : A close friend of mine was driving in Denmark on the motorway in a Volvo when he had to come to a sudden halt - the massive articulated lorry behind
33 ANCFlyer : If I had a car I'd want a FWD for the snow. Many car companies sell what would normally be a 2WD only car as a 4WD in Alaska. Ford used to do it with
34 Klaus : Simply killing the other driver is not a viable option when talking about choice of vehicle and if there are better options around. I'm sure Alaska i
35 ANCFlyer : I wouldn't wish death on anyone . . . but bottom line . . . if it's me or the other guy . . . you know where my loyalties lie . . . I'll keep the BAF
36 Post contains images Cornish : Its the same in Europe. Often you'l lfind a lot of 4WD models of regular cars on sale that simply aren't available in the UK - not that we need them
37 Klaus : That "if" is exactly the point. It's not a given.
38 Post contains images ANCFlyer : What I have been pointing out to you, and have apparently, thus far, been unsuccessful in doing, is that I prefer the beast rather than the roller sk
39 MDorBust : Don't worry ANC, the "theorists" will always know better than the pavement scrapers. What do we know?
40 Post contains links and images Cornish : Cornish at the image of ANC on rollerskates Incidentally I got a lift in my neighbour's smart to the station this morning Feels fine around local str
41 Post contains images JGPH1A : Kids today - would you rather have a nasty cheap plastic toy or a tablespoon full of refined sugar, stabilizers, permitted food colouring and starch
42 Post contains images Klaus : And my point is that general traffic with proper cars (with modern safety equipment such as ESC) is safer for everybody than a large number of heavy
43 Post contains images Cornish : What it is, is not a Pooooojoe I heard about that - she was carving her initials on the side of a moose I understand....
44 Post contains images Skidmarks : Not sure what all the arguement is about this. The Smart is a city car, the Truck is a redneck, moosekilling, big-country vehicle. I would much rather
45 Post contains images Klaus : Spoilsport!
46 Post contains images Skidmarks : Ah, so, you are deliberately and maliciously winding old ANC up? Thats OK then, carry on as if you were normal!! Andy
47 Cptkrell : I really view the Smart as a vehicle for (in the US) the gated retirement community or for running up to the little town square to pick up a forgotten
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