Liedetectors From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 357 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1106 times:
Quoting 7474ever (Reply 3): . I'm quiet surprised how safe the Smart is - I mean concerning its size.
At lows speeds yes. But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.
I'm not planing to drive a Smart fast - it simply wasn't build for that. It was build for driving around in major cities, and that's what I need it for.
Think is a Norwegian made Car. (Called "Think") but Ford bought the company, and then they didn't want it anymore or something. Not 100% sure what the situation is...
Obviously they don't have to be a convertible...
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Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 984 times:
Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4): Quoting 7474ever (Reply 3):. I'm quiet surprised how safe the Smart is - I mean concerning its size.
At lows speeds yes. But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.
Quoting Klaus (Reply 6): Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 4):But the video did say a high speed crash like that would have likely killed the pax.
As in most other cars - don't kid yourself about your chances surviving a high-speed crash in any larger car.
Correct. Even if the passenger compartment survives intact, the human body probably can't stand the forces involved going from 70 to 0 in one second.
Springbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 980 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11): I'll take my BAFDT over a SMART or THINK any day of the week . . . I would imagine my chances of survival in this . .
SUVs are notorious for overturning when they are suddenly swerved. There was a Top Gear (or 5th gear....not sure) episode about this, where they tested a Range Rover and a Jaguar. They were both following a car (which was in front), which suddenly braked...the Jag was able to swerve and avoid hitting the vehicle in front, but when the Range Rover swerved, it went cartwheeling 4-5 times...scary stuff.
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 960 times:
Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 12): It totally depends on the accident. In a single vehicle accident you're probably better off in a Smart believe it or not.
How many single vehicle accidents have you seen (much less investigated) a truck like mine get in to? I've seen many . . . other than a bent bumper or a caved finder, not much else to write home about . . .
As for crumple zones, well - I figure someone driving the Smart has about 24 inches of crumple zone in front of the windshield - then the driver is fucked. I pretty much have an 8 foot hood with plenty of 'crumple' out there.
In a multi-vehicle incident, involving say, my BAFDT and perhaps a Toyota Tundra, or a (God forbid) Dodge Neon or that spare tire in the photo above, who do you think is gonna come outta that in better shape?
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 15): There was a Top Gear (or 5th gear....not sure) episode about this, where they tested a Range Rover and a Jaguar.
And I wouldn't own either one . . . they're nothing but wannabes, along with the Mercedes, Toyota, BMW and all the other psuedo SUVs out there.
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14): Even if the passenger compartment survives intact, the human body probably can't stand the forces involved going from 70 to 0 in one second.
Not unless you're strapped in like Tony Stewart . . .
. . . . .
I'm sticking with the BAFDT . . . you can keep those lawnmower engine powered roller skates on steroids.
7474ever From Israel, joined Oct 2006, 370 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 928 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11): I'll take my BAFDT over a SMART or THINK any day of the week
It depense on what you car is needed for. The car in the pic...Hmmm...doesn't really fit the streets of Tel-Aviv if you know what I mean...comparing the two is like comparing the Extra300 to a 777.
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 926 times:
Quoting 7474ever (Reply 19): It depense on what you car is needed for. The
Quite true. I would like to see the Smart or the other 'Speck' car manage in six, ten, fifteen inches of snow . . . or on ice . . . on a combination of the above . . . just not suitable for Alaska.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5394 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 915 times:
Forget Smart. It's so small it's useless. Sometime you just need more trunk space than to fit your backpack or take more than one pax.
I'd go for one of these:
Peugeot 107 and especially Citroen C1 is much cheaper than Toyota Aygo only because of the badge (living proof how stupid brand awareness sometimes is).
The cars are identical, designed, developed and manufactured by Toyota, powered by Toyota's exellent 1.0 VVTi engone. The only difference is design of headlights.
It's only marketed and sold under three different badges.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 20853 posts, RR: 55 Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 879 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16): As for crumple zones, well - I figure someone driving the Smart has about 24 inches of crumple zone in front of the windshield - then the driver is fucked. I pretty much have an 8 foot hood with plenty of 'crumple' out there.
No, you don't.
You have a few centimeters between the radiator and the motor block and again a few between the motor and yourself.
And the engine block is very well secured to the frame, absorbing a ton of energy before it's transferred through a heavy-duty firewall to the driver/passenger.
I sticking with the truck on this one. I own one too.
And when that little Euro-Speck of a car gets hit, and after I roll over the top of it, perhaps damaging the skid plate covering my transmission and fuel cell, I'll send you a photo. Or when it rear ends me and they peel the thing from under my rear bumper where it is jammed in up to the windshield and all the driver of the Euro-Speck can see is a close up version of my license plate, we'll see who comes out of it in better shape.
Now should something hit me dead on head to head, there's a lot of engine in there to stop it. 7.6 liters is pretty damn big. What ever hits me may well get through the Moose Catcher, and plow right through the radiator and engine and transmission oil coolers but it's gonna stop shortly thereafter. Unless of course, it's one of these Euro-Speck cars, in which case, I'm sure I'll be able to put the tranny in 4-Low and back down off the top of it . . .
I've seen these Superduties after accidents. I've investigated accidents with these Superduties. My trust in them is NOT unfounded.
Seriously though: My only concern is being top heavy. The truck does sit fairly high off the ground - eighteen inches to the bottom of the frame rail - and a sudden jerk of the wheel might prove complicating.
25 Allstarflyer: That's surprising to read. I just went here . . . http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ncap/Index2.cfm . . . since the Toyota Sequoia was the first SUV that came
27 ANCFlyer: Guess it won't be in BADFTs.net will it . . .
28 Klaus: That doesn't help a lot - the rigid motor block defeats most of the theoretical crumple zone you would have had, and the harder the firewall is, the
29 Greasespot: My next car will be a Smart....My Dad has one and it is awsome. GS
30 ANCFlyer: I guess that's perspective Klaus. Ever see what happens to a - lets say Chevrolet Pickup - that hits one of these Superduties??? That engine, and it'
31 7474ever: There are a lot of them in Paris, Rome, Milan, Berlin, Munich etc.
32 Cornish: A close friend of mine was driving in Denmark on the motorway in a Volvo when he had to come to a sudden halt - the massive articulated lorry behind
33 ANCFlyer: If I had a car I'd want a FWD for the snow. Many car companies sell what would normally be a 2WD only car as a 4WD in Alaska. Ford used to do it with
34 Klaus: Simply killing the other driver is not a viable option when talking about choice of vehicle and if there are better options around. I'm sure Alaska i
35 ANCFlyer: I wouldn't wish death on anyone . . . but bottom line . . . if it's me or the other guy . . . you know where my loyalties lie . . . I'll keep the BAF
36 Cornish: Its the same in Europe. Often you'l lfind a lot of 4WD models of regular cars on sale that simply aren't available in the UK - not that we need them
37 Klaus: That "if" is exactly the point. It's not a given.
38 ANCFlyer: What I have been pointing out to you, and have apparently, thus far, been unsuccessful in doing, is that I prefer the beast rather than the roller sk
39 MDorBust: Don't worry ANC, the "theorists" will always know better than the pavement scrapers. What do we know?
40 Cornish: Cornish at the image of ANC on rollerskates Incidentally I got a lift in my neighbour's smart to the station this morning Feels fine around local str
41 JGPH1A: Kids today - would you rather have a nasty cheap plastic toy or a tablespoon full of refined sugar, stabilizers, permitted food colouring and starch
42 Klaus: And my point is that general traffic with proper cars (with modern safety equipment such as ESC) is safer for everybody than a large number of heavy
43 Cornish: What it is, is not a Pooooojoe I heard about that - she was carving her initials on the side of a moose I understand....
44 Skidmarks: Not sure what all the arguement is about this. The Smart is a city car, the Truck is a redneck, moosekilling, big-country vehicle. I would much rather
46 Skidmarks: Ah, so, you are deliberately and maliciously winding old ANC up? Thats OK then, carry on as if you were normal!! Andy
47 Cptkrell: I really view the Smart as a vehicle for (in the US) the gated retirement community or for running up to the little town square to pick up a forgotten
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