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Bush-We've Never Been, "stay The Course"  
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/22/...-the-course/?AmericaIsScrewed=true

In an interview with ABC news, he tells George Stephanopoulous:

Quote:
STEPHANOPOULOS: James Baker says that he’s looking for something between “cut and run” and “stay the course.”

BUSH: Well, hey, listen, we’ve never been “stay the course,” George. We have been — we will complete the mission, we will do our job, and help achieve the goal, but we’re constantly adjusting to tactics. Constantly.

 Confused  Confused WTF??

I could have sworn (and even a Bush supporter can't deny), that it is almost the only thing we've been hearing from this administration. Seriously, how stupid does he think the American people are?


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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
he think the American people are?

Given that "we" have elected him 2X is that not a sign how dumb we are?


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
Given that "we" have elected him 2X is that not a sign how dumb we are?

Speak for yourself Ted . . . .

Coulda had "Mr. I voted for it before I voted against it, I have a plan (that no one could find)".  sarcastic 

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
I could have sworn (and even a Bush supporter can't deny), that it is almost the only thing we've been hearing from this administration.

It'll be interesting to hear the spin put on this . . .


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
Given that "we" have elected him 2X is that not a sign how dumb we are?

Not really, considering we elected him over Gore and Kerry. Thank God.




-NWA742


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

From http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2003/n07102003_200307101.html :

"Coalition efforts in Iraq have only been underway for a short time, Bush reminded reporters, and it's going to take far longer for people "to recognize the great joys of freedom and the responsibilities that come with freedom.

"We're making steady progress," he said. "A free Iraq will mean a peaceful world. And it's very important for us to stay the course, and we will stay the course."


From http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20040413-20.html

"I think the analogy is false. I also happen to think that analogy sends the wrong message to our troops, and sends the wrong message to the enemy. Look, this is hard work. It's hard to advance freedom in a country that has been strangled by tyranny. And, yet, we must stay the course, because the end result is in our nation's interest."

From http://www.blogsforbush.com/mt/archives/005019.html

"We will stay the course, we will complete the job in Iraq," Bush said in Texas as a videotape by Ayman al-Zawahri, al-Qaida's No.2, was broadcast around the world.
Al-Zawahri threatened more destruction in London after subway and bus bombings and said in the videotape that the United States would suffer tens of thousands of military dead if it did not withdraw from Iraq.

Bush said that kind of talk only showed why the United States must stay the course."


Would somebody in the media call him on this one, please? Don't wait for the Daily Show to do it (because you know they will) - somebody take the initiative.

-Mir



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
It'll be interesting to hear the spin put on this . . .

Not sure what you mean by "spin". You can't possibly be inferring that his ridiculous statement will be "twisted" to take on a different meaning. No "spin" is needed here. Taking Bush's statement at face value is all the ammo the Dems will need to make him look silly.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
that it is almost the only thing we've been hearing from this administration.

100% correct. All we've heard from Bush is how we must stay the course. And now he is denying having ever been preaching "stay the course"?

Monday night's Daily Show should be intersting. In typical Jon Stewart fashion, he'll likely first show Bush's interview with ABC and immediately after Bush says he's never been stay the course, will show 5 or 6 clips of Bush preaching that we must stay the course.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

That crunching noise you heard, that's the sound of the Administration engaging reverse gear.

Be a man, George - admit you screwed up. Everyone knows you did.  Smile


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 5):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
It'll be interesting to hear the spin put on this . . .

Not sure what you mean by "spin". You can't possibly be inferring that his ridiculous statement will be "twisted" to take on a different meaning.

Oh, hell ya, that's exactly what I mean by that. Any time there's a contradiction - like this - the "Spin" just keeps coming. All I've heard from PutUS for years is "Stay the Course" and now he says different???? Can't be any more plain than that . . . so inevitably, tomorrow - maybe Tuesday - someone will spin it . . . "What the President really said was . . . . . "


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 6):
That crunching noise you heard, that's the sound of the Administration engaging reverse gear.

Isn't going into reverse when travelling at highway speeds liable to destroy your engine and transmission?  Smile

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
"What the President really said was . . . . . "

Jesus ANC, are you planted in front of your computer (like I am)? As soon as I posted that, I realized what you meant and was headed back to edit my reply.

Yeah, Tony Snow will have his hands full.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
Isn't going into reverse when travelling at highway speeds liable to destroy your engine and transmission?

It's OK, they're the government, they can afford it.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 9):
Jesus ANC, are you planted in front of your computer (like I am)?

Yup . . . blizzard here tonight. No highway for me!  biggrin  Anyone needs a cop at SCC they're fracked tonight.  laughing 

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 9):
Yeah, Tony Snow will have his hands full.

And he's pulling a wagon . . . .


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 10):
It's OK, they're the government, they can afford it.

Acutally, this time I'm not so sure....

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 9):
Yeah, Tony Snow will have his hands full.

I wonder if he wishes he was back at FoxNews - at least then he didn't have to come up with the justifications for all the BS, he just had to repeat them over and over.  Smile

Seriously though, I want to hear how they're going to spin this one. They have to do something.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3862 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Cut and run from the stay the course strategy? Amazing...

 Big grin



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3505 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
I could have sworn (and even a Bush supporter can't deny), that it is almost the only thing we've been hearing from this administration. Seriously, how stupid does he think the American people are?

My brain hurts. Make him stop.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 3):
Not really, considering we elected him over Gore and Kerry. Thank God.

Things would be worse under Gore or Kerry? (or anyone?), I'm intrigued...

This isn't a Republican v.s. Democrat situation here...no matter what your political persuasion, it should be painfully obvious to you by now that this administration has been an ongoing disaster for the United States of America. My condolances to those of you who haven't figured it out.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

From today's Washington Post, the dirt on the spin.

Fair use thingie:

Bush's New Tack Steers Clear of 'Stay the Course'

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 24, 2006; Page A01

President Bush and his aides are annoyed that people keep misinterpreting his Iraq policy as "stay the course." A complete distortion, they say. "That is not a stay-the-course policy," White House press secretary Tony Snow declared yesterday.


More at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2006/10/23/AR2006102301053.html



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User currently offlineScamp From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
Seriously, how stupid does he think the American people are?

Well, he's probably going on the fact that these same American people elected him twice...so what's your question?



If it pisses off the right, I'm all for it.
User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 10):
It's OK, they're the government, they can afford it.

Not really, but then again they don't have to pay....we do!


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 3):
Not really, considering we elected him over Gore and Kerry. Thank God.

Thank God for what? Six years of incompetence? Arrogance? Stubbornness? Three years of a war we should never have fought, and now can't get out of? Six years of handing out gifts to corporate America and the wealthy, while everyone else struggles, as "outsourcing" overseas is national policy?

Thank God for THAT?


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 6):
Be a man, George - admit you screwed up. Everyone knows you did.

No,, be a man and dont be lead around by the nose. Stay the course can is exactly what we need to do. The goal has always been clear , the enemy knows it ..whay dont you get it.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 18):
Thank God for what? Six years of incompetence? Arrogance? Stubbornness? Three years of a war we should never have fought, and now can't get out of? Six years of handing out gifts to corporate America and the wealthy, while everyone else struggles, as "outsourcing" overseas is national policy?



Versus , six years of second guessing and allowing the terrorist to get stronger ? Six years of reacting to every poll that comes out from the Georgetown University civics class... ? Six years of stripping profits from corporate America and redistubuting it ? Six years of pandering to the anti American UN ?

As for outsourcing , this has little to do with the governemnt its a bottom line profit issue for corporations... You may hate that idea but its what makes the world turn. I only wish that we did have a stronger policy to promote foriegn trade.. The US should do all possible to promote foriegn commercial development.



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User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Coulda had "Mr. I voted for it before I voted against it, I have a plan (that no one could find)".

You have repeatedly ragged on Kerry's mythical flip-flop, yet you don't acknowledge what a complete flip-flop Bush's statement is, and what an utter hypocrite he and his shills are for now claiming the policy was "never" stay the course. But then, you also pardon W for everything, as though Rummy is alone in being responsible for the Iraq disaster.  no 



I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Coulda had "Mr. I voted for it before I voted against it

You mean, the guy who realized later that there was something seriously wrong and changed his opinion? Isn't that better than the whole "stay the course even if we're fucking wrong" bullshit?

Tell me, ANCFlyer, what is so seriously wrong with I voted for it before I voted against it? You're telling me that that simple sentence sums up everything about John Kerry? Wouldn't you rather have a guy that can take responsibility for what he did by deciding that what he initially thought was wrong?

Imagine if Republicans did that today. Whenever they're wrong, it's someone else's fault. Even when one of your gay senators tried to screw an underage boy, it's the Democrats fault. Time to stop blaming others, accept that your party screwed up (and don't tell me you're an independent. You're a classic example of a Conservative Republican), and move on and bring someone else in.

It's funny, when I think about it. My roommate a year or so ago was a Republican, and he was a good guy, but the "stay the course" notion is what he LIKED about the party. He liked the solidarity and the idea of going full steam and getting the job done (what job? I'd ask him..). That's what the Republicans had going for them.

Somebody tell me what the GOP has going for them other than anti-gay, anti-abortion ("pro-life" doesn't count when the party is electric chair happy), anti-freedom of speech and bill of rights (see patriot act), anti-constitution (see wire-tapping and patriot act), arrogant, alcoholics (see george bush and dick cheney), and pedophiles?

Time to clean up things in our sad state of government.

What's next. "I never said I was a war president" ? or "We never said there were WMDs in Iraq!"?

[Edited 2006-10-24 18:53:32]

User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 19):
allowing the terrorist to get stronger ?

And the Republicans have done exactly that with their war in Iraq - which has become a rallying call for Islamic terrorists around the world. They've made them stronger.

They've done exactly what they insinuated would have happened under a Democrat President.

I hope the American public takes notice of any [R] BS like this and calls them on it in November.



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Quoting MattRB (Reply 22):
They've made them stronger



At the moment the short sited view may back you up. But in the long run when Iraq stabilizes and becomes a country that is able to balance religion and government ..the radicals will lose. The only chance we have in fighting the idealistic war waged on us is to defeat the idea. If Iraq can become what we all want it to become , the radical idea of Islamic totalitarianism will be defeated.

Remember 9/11 happened while we were... not in Iraq.... I guess we need something larger than 9/11 to prove your point correct. At least you have something to hope for ...



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3017 times:
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Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):
when Iraq stabilizes

 rotfl 

Newsflash - the situation is getting worse, not better. banghead 



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25 AGM100 : Of course it is , but we are at war. It is the enemies job to create the idea that it is un-winnable. I choose to beileve that the coalition will in
26 VonRichtofen : Do you honestly think you're any safer after this fiasco in Iraq? C'mon man, let's get real here. If anything America is more of a target than ever.
27 AGM100 : Really ? so I guess all the attacks over the years were because of ???? Are you suggesting that we should just disengage and isolate behind our borde
28 AirWillie6475 : What's your beaf? Why don't you guys up there go ahead and focus on you hockey and let world policy be handled by people that live in the real world.
29 AirWillie6475 : And by the way who told you that? CNN? Have you heard of any Iraqi or muslim person say that? Stop with the kool-aid and think a little.
30 Post contains images Klaus : But you can stop making more new enemies before the old ones have been used up...!
31 AirWillie6475 : And who might they be??
32 Post contains images NWA742 : That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, however, would it not be the same with the Dems, Falcon? Can you honestly say that with this attitude:
33 OlegShv : Well, go ahead and sign-up into the army pal. They could use your beef in Iraq. What? You are still here? If the policy were handled by wise people (
34 AirWillie6475 : Typical response. Most be hard for those soldiers dying for your rights to know that there are idiots like you who don't support them.
35 Klaus : Formerly ordinary people who at some point under certain circumstances choose to support or even join terrorist groups. The entire US republican agen
36 AirWillie6475 : Klaus you still haven't answered the original question. I know you don't believe in what is happening but do you have any actual cases of a growth in
37 Mir : It might. Or it might not - we don't know. Your statement that Bush is a better president than Gore or Kerry is also opinion, since Gore and Kerry ne
38 NWA742 : We don't know for sure, but we have a decent idea based on all their ranting. Whether in office or not, incompetence, arrogance, and stubbornness ree
39 Falcon84 : And you have NOTHING to base any of that on but biased conjecture. I on the other hand, base my on HISTORY-what HAS happened with this administration
40 NWA742 : No, those are your opinions, Falcon. Get off your rant mode and use your head. -NWA742
41 AGM100 : They are not "new" enemies ... they are the same ones that have always hated us. I agree that they are now emboldened mainly because our national dis
42 Klaus : Iraq is not and never was about any american's "right" except possibly the one to jump on any other country at a whim. Defend your own ideology if yo
43 Post contains images MattRB : And yet, it is our military that is fighting in, dying in and rebuilding Afghanistan. Y'know, that place where 9/11 originated from? Where the badass
44 BoomBoom : Hey, if you think Iraq is such a great idea why don't you sign up for it and go serve over there? You're still young enough. Do you have any children
45 Klaus : The latest National Intelligence Estimate to the US president recently confirmed widespread media reports and the blatantly obvious: While the nomina
46 AirWillie6475 : Haha, someone from Canada is telling me my world view is quite narrow. Do you know where I come from or what my life experience has been so far? Do y
47 AGM100 : Not true ... President Clinton was ineffective in fighting terrorism and handling NK, even though he does not think so. He had a internationalist pol
48 FSPilot747 : Let's not be overly sentimental here, buddy. The soldiers in Iraq are not dying for his rights. This is not a defensive war. The soldiers are dying f
49 BoomBoom : George Bush went into Iraq to finish his daddy's business. Dick Cheney wanted no-bid contracts for Haliburton.
50 Post contains images A332 : Right, because those terrorists have really calmed down in recent years. I can't believe you can make that kind of remark without giggling... Well sa
51 AGM100 : Not used as a excuse to go to war ... only to compare the level of "the mess". If Saddam's power slipped because of our containment policy .. would t
52 A332 : And would that not be acceptable, considering your government has been playing with the Iraqi administration (positively & negatively) for at least a
53 MattRB : So, your parents immigrated. Were you born in the US? Or are you an immigrant too? Your post seems to indicate you're not and that your parents had y
54 Falcon84 : No rant here. I'm going on what we know. The arrogance of this administration before the Iraq war started; the incompetence of this administration si
55 VonRichtofen : What's that supposed to mean? Canadians per capita travel a lot more than the average US citizen does (look at how many Americans don't even own a pa
56 NWA742 : Mmm hmm. You're going on your own perception and nothing else. Nicely done, Falcon. I don't have to read up on squat to know what differs fact from o
57 Falcon84 : I beg to differ with you. And so will the history books, my friend.
58 Post contains images Klaus : Sorry, but I can't deal with concentrated cynicism on that level right now without fear of getting banned as a result... The mistakes and the resulti
59 Gunsontheroof : No worries. His posts in this thread have been so incredibly short sighted and vitriolic that they don't warrant your consideration anyways. I think
60 NWA742 : No, there's no differing my friend, look up these two words: Fact Opinion Time will tell. -NWA742
61 Klaus : Indeed, hence:
62 AGM100 : I agree that we should take responsibility for it, and we are. Iraq will be transformed eventually, the people of Iraq must soon begin to see the dif
63 Klaus : "Risky"? Sorry, but the actual word is "failed"!
64 OlegShv : Hey, I did not call you names, so be polite. My point is that this war is unjustified. Supporting the soldiers for me means that they need to get out
65 Post contains images Falcon84 : His policies have SPREAD radicalism, and we have no choice but to fight it. There's a difference. FAVORABLE? After the debacle in Iraq, you can say t
66 DavestanKSAN : There have been many posts on this thread defending everything President Bush and his administration have done, but in those posts I don't really see
67 AGM100 : Their is no proof of this Falcon, its a perception of yours. Not saying that you are not correct , but thier were plenty of radicals around before Pr
68 Falcon84 : What, the daily violence in Iraq isn't proof enough for you? Lord, you gave them eyes, but they cannot see. That statement of yours is so far-removed
69 Post contains links Schoenorama : You've obviously missed Klaus' post above in which he cited the latest "National Intelligence Estimate" (NIE): "US intelligence report: Iraq war bree
70 AGM100 : Iraqi on Iraqi violence is more to do with secular differences and turf dispute inside Iraq. I may have mistook your comment in regards to the world
71 Post contains images Mdsh00 : What rights?? Would our rights be any different if we never went there? No. In fact we have LOST some of our rights, and for what? A false premise. I
72 Post contains images Falcon84 : And tell me, what event set off all this violence? If you answered "The unjustified U.S. invasion of Iraq", then you win the stuffed Dick Cheney doll
73 AGM100 : Man that will look good beside my Action "CONDI" doll . Falcon my teath are getting dull chewing this fat , but as I stated before . Only the future
74 Post contains images Falcon84 : Is the Condi one full-sized, and anatomically correct? That light is a freight train going about 150mph. There's noting positive happening in Iraq th
75 11Bravo : When you throw out these two little gems, your credibility to speak on this subject is diminished to the point of non-existance. The first is an outr
76 AGM100 : DID not mean to imply that Iran and Iraq would invade Afghanistan , but they sure would unbalance the power their. At this point it is suspected that
77 MUWarriors : Exactly. When you are placed in an indefensible position in politics, try to shift the focus on your opponent. The Republicans have been doing a lot
78 11Bravo : Faith and hope are good things AGM, but we can all get in a bind very quickly when we substitute faith and hope for a sober reality-check and well co
79 Post contains links Cairo : If Iraq stabilizes, fine, great, everything works out for the best. I don't see Iraq in its current borders ever stabilizing; the only hope IMO is fo
80 AGM100 : The decisive issue is to stop the the ethnic religious cleansing going on thier. This I am afraid is out of our control. This ,as we have argued here
81 Klaus : We clearly agree on that point. Correct. Although it's not so much a matter of an american retreat as it would be the question of which exact policy
82 WestWing :
83 Scbriml : What did I say that lead you to that conclusion Sherlock? Ditto. In case you failed to notice, British troops are also dying in Bush's two great stra
84 LH477 : The biggest problem for Afghanistan is not Iran, the Iranian regime actually like the fact the Taliban problem was taken care of by the American's. A
85 Itsjustme : Hey! He is stealing Jon Stewart's news reporting methods. So, how ironic is it that righties have been calling the lefties "flip floppers" and now, a
86 ER757 : Well, actually he WASN'T elected to his first term. And some would argue that he stole Ohio to win his second term.
87 FlyingTexan : If this was Kerry, many would be calling for his head on a stick. Where is the anti-"flip-flop" crowd now? ANCflyer? Have not seen you since reply #11
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