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WW2 Bomb Explodes On The Autobahn - One Dead  
User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3763 posts, RR: 29
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 5272 times:

A bomb from WW2 exploded on the A3 Autobahn close to Aschaffenburg, while extension works of that motorway took place. One worker was killed, several cars were damaged by debris, the construction engine was completely destroyed...

It regularly happens that bombs from WW2 which didn't explode are found, but I have never heard of one exploding so far. A tragic accident...

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 5261 times:

When I lived in Wiesbaden in the 1980s we would occasionally dispatch our EOD personnel to deal with unexploded ordnance.

My sympathies to the worker's family . . .  tombstone 

Another casualty of WW2.


User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 5261 times:

Just goes to prove how war affects far beyond the actual fighting. Tragic and unnecessary but I suppose inevitable, given the amount of ordnance dropped.

How many years will it be before we stop digging up dangerous stuff like this?

Sympathies go out to the poor man killed and his family.

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months ago) and read 5255 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 2):
How many years will it be before we stop digging up dangerous stuff like this?

Probably forever.
Very sad to hear about the deaths in this accident, but thankfully, in the majority of cases dug-up bombs can be defused. Just last friday, 2 phosphorus bombs were dug up on a construction site in a densly populated neighborhood of Hamburg. Lord knows what could have happened if those weren't already inop.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months ago) and read 5235 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 2):
How many years will it be before we stop digging up dangerous stuff like this?

Seemingly forever. Here in the UK they always seem to be digging them up at various city building sites round the country.

Just goes to show the number of bombs that were actually dropped during the war. I've never seen actual estimated figures but i suspect the numbers would be incredible.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months ago) and read 5220 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 4):
Seemingly forever. Here in the UK they always seem to be digging them up at various city building sites round the country.

Not just city, about 5 years ago we had two dug up in our small commuter town while they were building a new school.

In the end they had to detonate both, for some godawful reason they did one at 5am on a Sunday, and the other one about 11am the same day. Now those were loud bangs!


User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3763 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months ago) and read 5210 times:

Newest update, it is still uncertain what has happened, but they think it is a bomb. The 20 ton machine (around 400 000 lbs) was split into two parts, debris flew more than 500 metres (1500 feet) around. I think a WW2 bomb is the most likely result.

A tragic accident, but it seems that despite the tragic, it could have been much worse, given the fact that this is one of the stretches where there is most traffic...


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months ago) and read 5192 times:

Does anyone know, what strategic installations were located in the vicinity of this bombing site during the Second World War? It would be highly unusual if a bomb of this magnitude would have been dropped on an Autobahn (and I even don't know, if the A3 was already built during the early 1940's).


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months ago) and read 5187 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 7):
It would be highly unusual if a bomb of this magnitude would have been dropped on an Autobahn

Well given US levels of bombing accuracy  duck .

It surely wouldn't have been a British one  Wink



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User currently offlineBCNGRO From Andorra, joined Oct 2004, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months ago) and read 5179 times:

 tombstone  to the worked who died.

Probably, he never thought he would be a WW2 victim...



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months ago) and read 5179 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 8):
It surely wouldn't have been a British one

Depends if Skidmarks and Banco were the crew. I hear they accidentally bombed Canvey Island once in 1942!



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months ago) and read 5179 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 10):
Depends if Skidmarks and Banco were the crew. I hear they accidentally bombed Canvey Island once in 1942!

Yes well Skidz shouldn't have been flying. He was only the regimental mascot in the RAF you know  Wink



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5171 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 11):
He was only the regimental mascot in the RAF you know

Well with the personnel shortages and all they accepted pretty much anybody back then!

Still, ANCFlyer was turned down.



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User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3763 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5149 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 7):
and I even don't know, if the A3 was already built during the early 1940's

Well, parts of the A3 were, in fact, built before the end of WW2, it is one of the oldest motorways. The part between Cologne and Frankfurt was finished before the war, what can be seen on the steep hills of the track. When it was extended, they kept the existing track, only broadened it instead of reconstructing the road, so it is a lot of fun to drive. Some bridges were destroyed in the last days of the war and reconstructed after the war.

However, the part between Aschaffenburg and W�rzburg is not that old, I think.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5123 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 13):
However, the part between Aschaffenburg and W�rzburg is not that old, I think.

This makes it even more mysterious, how a bomb could be found this low under the surface.



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

This is tragic.

I have seen a documentary about construction in Berlin and there are companies whose sole purpose is to search and, if found, destroy old unexploded bombs prior to any construction. Berlin has a high water table and crappy soil conditions so these bombs are embedded in the earth quite deep.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9739 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Off hand I cannot tell how old this part is, but the A5 between Frankfurt and Darmstadt existed before WWII and the "Frankfurter Kreuz" interchange between the A3 and 5 did as well. The A3 continues into Bavaria passing Aschaffenburg and these exits, especially Goldbach and Hoesbach have been "old style" long into the 90s. So it may very well be a pre-war section. The bomb must not have been directly undernetah the surface, the road working machine was a rotary hoe and they cause a lot of vibration which must have eventually lead to the explosion.

Not too many military targets in that vicinity, except railway lines and bridges across the river Main. Frankfurt, Hanau, Offenbach had been the targets as well as Wuerzburg on the other side of the Spessart mountains.

The A3 will likely be closed in both directions until Tuesday evening,



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9739 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Latest news is that they are not even sure if it was a WWII bomb, could have been another explosive device as well. Reason - quote "the explosion was not that massive" unquote, Massive enough to split a rotary hoe into 2 large and many smaller pieces and have these flying around up to 500 metres.

[Edited 2006-10-23 14:52:30]


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User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 10):
Depends if Skidmarks and Banco were the crew. I hear they accidentally bombed Canvey Island once in 1942!

Out of order, spotty youth! This is a serious thread and should be treated as such.


So stfu or you'll be beaten to an inch of your worthless, miserable life!

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 18):
So stfu

Ah you're talking the language of the kids I see now Andy. Picked a fair bit up from the boyz while you cruise Douglas seafront in your chaved-up Saxo did you ?  Wink



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 7):
Does anyone know, what strategic installations were located in the vicinity of this bombing site during the Second World War?

Not necessarily any facility there . . . a wounded B-17 could simply have unloaded it's bomb load in hopes of lightening the ship so it could make it back across the channel.

Of course, if that section of the Autobahn was already built, it could have been a target itself . . . just like a railroad line.


User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 16):
Not too many military targets in that vicinity, except railway lines and bridges across the river Main. Frankfurt, Hanau, Offenbach had been the targets as well as Wuerzburg on the other side of the Spessart mountains.

There are many reasons for that being there, the major one being that if the bomber concerned had difficulties (like an Ju-88 nightfighter up his rear end) he may have jettisoned his load there. Which begs the question, are there any more around the vicinity?

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 18):
Out of order, spotty youth! This is a serious thread and should be treated as such.

I didn't start it Sir, it was 'im! *points*



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 20):
a wounded B-17 could simply have unloaded it's bomb load in hopes of lightening the ship so it could make it back across the channel.

not to mention if they did have to crash land at an airfield it would have been wise to have removed the bombs first.......



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9739 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 21):
There are many reasons for that being there, the major one being that if the bomber concerned had difficulties (like an Ju-88 nightfighter up his rear end) he may have jettisoned his load there. Which begs the question, are there any more around the vicinity?

That is certainly a possibility, but if we start wild guessing we will never find the true reason.

There was just another report on local radio and from what they say the hole is 8 m wide and about 2,50 deep and that was certainly not a fire cracker making such a hole. The expert will find out and that is one of the reasons why they shut donw that part of the Autobahn for more than 24 hrs. Pretty messy traffic situation around Frankfurt.

.



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25 TheSonntag : Newest reports say 18km (11miles) traffic jam in one direction, 5km in the other direction... There are alternative routes available, but these are al
26 PanHAM : Just for statistics - they found 200 tons of ordnance across Germany last year alone.
27 TheSonntag : I once read that one of six bombs dropped on Germany did not explode... I am quite surprised by this statistic, why were these bombs so bad? Or did so
28 PanHAM : there was no need to give out a warranty, so they could actually be a bit sloppy, as long as the bombs left the factory in one piece.[Edited 2006-10-
29 RichardPrice : Main reason is they were dropped onto soft ground, nothing to cause it to explode.
30 Post contains images Cornish : That's an incredible statistic.
31 Post contains links RichardPrice : Look at this: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-05/04/content_439409.htm
32 Myt332 : Are you looking at the amount of food JGPH1A goes through in a year or how many pairs of slippers Skidmarks wears out? Or; how many people I annoy ea
33 Post contains images Skidmarks : When you think about the amount of ordnance the Allies dropped in WW II then maybe not. If 1 in 6 didn't explode then thats a hell of a lot of unexpl
34 TriStar500 : Putting out a tender for an ordnance search is actually a standard routine in any larger construction projects here in Germany and neigboring countrie
35 Cornish : Actually you're right, compared to THESE statistics, 200 tons of ordnance is a mere drop in the ocean. Thanks - very interesting. Its not so much the
36 TheSonntag : I just checked Wikipedia, which "only" states a 5% fail rate. More interesting, though, are the reasons why so many failed... According to that articl
37 Cornish : Of course don't forget as the war went on and production and resources were increasingly stretched by the war and massive demand for ordnance, the li
38 TheSonntag : The police has issued a report after a thorough inspection of the site. It was a 250 kg bomb (500 pounds), which gave a 2,5 m (8 foot) deep and 8 metr
39 Dougloid : There is an excellent book called Danger: UXB which is in print. It describes the efforts of the British to disarm unexploded German ordnance and the
40 Falstaff : I have sen that, very interesting. I would think there may be some shells from WWI around too. Back in the early 1990s there was a construction crew
41 PanHAM : The question was wasked why the ordnance was found in that area and the likely answer is that there used to be a lot of clothing industry around Goldb
42 Post contains images RichardPrice : Heh, its quite amazing the lengths each side went to justify the targets they chose If I remember correctly, the Dresden firebombing was because the
43 SlamClick : Exactly right. Since the Brits dropped theirs at night the majority landed in the ocean, a few rumored to have hit Denmark.
44 NoUFO : And the Baltic Sea. The Isle of Usedom is often called Amber Island, but tourists are warned not to pick up amber found at the beach, because it coul
45 PanHAM : Except for the central station, there was no rail property in the city of Dresden. The Church of Our Lady is build up again and it is magnificent and
46 TZ757300 : Not that I dont believe you, but do you have a link to this story on the web?
47 Post contains links Petertenthije : Sorry, it's not in English but there are a few pics: http://www.br-online.de/bayern-heute...0610/23-explosion-auf-a3/index.xml
48 Dougloid : The question is more properly asked "What places in Germany did allied ordnance miss?" The place got pretty well plastered. Amazing that explosives a
49 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Quite a scene. By any chance, does anyone know what type of helicopter is pictured here? Speaking of ordinance, are there any statistics showing the
50 Baroque : I well remember the nearest stick to us, it seemed to take for ever to come down. Wiped out a row of houses, then in ?the late 90s, they were doing s
51 MD11Engineer : First, a 500 kg (1000 lbs) HE bomb is not that big. It was more or less a general purpose bomb. Secondly, it might not even have been dropped there on
52 Post contains links RichardPrice : From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...resden_in_World_War_II#The_attacks
53 PanHAM : @ RichardPrice yes - but when you look at the "Schadensplan" the rail lines are clearly visible, they could have destroyed the rail lines outside the
54 RichardPrice : If you read back up, the Dresden incident was used by myself as an example of how targets were JUSTIFIED by the military planners and hierachy. In th
55 NoUFO : It's an EC-135, the typical police-heli over here. That thing was easier to identify on a news broadcast. What looks like a grey part of the fuselage
56 PanHAM : No, I am fully with you. I just wanted to make that point for those reading this and who may not have the historic background. No misunderstanding be
57 Baroque : Not to mention the fact (IIRC) that they largely missed the station area - about the only thing in the middle of town that they did miss. The oil tar
58 Baroque : You called?
59 Gman94 : Sorry but we were at war with Germany so Dresden was a legitimate target along with the rest of the country. I'm sure the Luftwaffe took our cities in
60 TheSonntag : In any case bombing civilian targets is a war crime, be it Coventry or Dresden. There is no justification for something like that, especially when a
61 PanHAM : no doubt about it and never questioned. (mmh, personally I was still liquid and a few years down the road at that time) you're missing my point - I a
62 Dougloid : Arthur Harris once opined that maybe the day would come when precision bombing would allow for taking out a target and leaving the next house standin
63 Baroque : No, I got your point and I agree entirely, they should have realised that it was not a suitable, let alone a legitimate target. It was the cross curr
64 VonRichtofen : Hell they're still finding ordinance left over from WWI let alone WWII. I'm afraid this will happen again as cities/roads etc. grow. Kris
65 BA757 : Putting aside the sad aspect of this thread, for which it was originally started, thanks guys for the interesting history lesson / discussion. It is a
66 Fumanchewd : There doesn't necessarily have to be one. Look at Dresden. BTW I thought the recently rebuilt Cathedral was an awesome idea.
67 L-188 : I remember hearing that at one point Belguim had the 3rd largest known supply of chemical weapons. They where all duds from WWI. They didn't have any
68 Baroque : Indeed, and while on the subject of rebuilding and although I am not great on (then) modern archiecture, the new Coventry Cathedral attached to the r
69 TheSonntag : BTW, I think it is a nice gesture that parts of the rebuilt church in Dresden were paid by a British fond. Today there is a deep cooperation between C
70 Molykote : It probably was an American bomb. Given the reliability of British machinery I'd be surprised if a RAF bomb detonated!
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