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Ecosystem Collapse By 2050? -BBC  
User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

This is nothing that isn't yet known and hasn't been known for a long time, however still precious little is being done about it as planners still look at growth rates in economies as something to maximize.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6077798.stm

Luckily I don't have children, and by 2050 I'll be over 70 years old, with any luck too demented to even notice. Pity about the others, though.

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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

It is scary stuff man. I mean what are we doing to our planet? I am studying Environmental Science, and it is sad to see how we have ignored our planet over the years.


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

Quoting Joni (Thread starter):

Thread title is a Misnomer . . . . while the article is aired by the BBC, it's written by the World Wildlife Federation.

So, it's immediately biased, heavily so. So put it in perspective. I'd also recommend the thread title be changed, as this is giving the onus to the BBC when in fact, they aren't responsible.

That said:

Some good points.

Our consumables are disappearing at an alarming rate. We NEED an immediate alternate fuel source that can displace crude oil. However, since the oil industry has every major country begging for more and is in the pockets of many world leaders, that is going to be a damned hard thing to accomplish.

We need skylights to let in sunlight so we can turn off lights, we need better insulation so we can turn down the thermostats, we need solar panels to heat our hot water, we need to recycle our waste.

I do think 2050 is a bit silly, over ambitious, but hey, the World Wildlife Federation is known for it's alarmist uber-environmental, almost Green Peace like, rhetoric anyway.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13738 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
I do think 2050 is a bit silly, over ambitious, but hey, the World Wildlife Federation is known for it's alarmist uber-environmental, almost Green Peace like, rhetoric anyway.

Maybe, but I'd rather believe them on this issue than any Western government that's "in the pockets" of the oil companies.

2050 is a bit early. Let's hope the environment holds out till about 2150 when maybe we can all reach some enlightenment.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1217 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 3):
Maybe, but I'd rather believe them on this issue than any Western government that's "in the pockets" of the oil companies.

You think it's just the west????

Hmmmm, seems to me China is sucking oil at a RECORD pace. They're not exactly WESTERN are they?

How about Singapore. Use any oil there?

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 3):
2050 is a bit early. Let's hope the environment holds out till about 2150 when maybe we can all reach some enlightenment.

Hopefully it won't take til 2150, we better get on it however . . . or it might.


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1192 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):

I do think 2050 is a bit silly, over ambitious, but hey, the World Wildlife Federation is known for it's alarmist uber-environmental, almost Green Peace like, rhetoric anyway.

Do you have some examples of how the WWF would be biased? (By biased I assume you mean biased in some other way than being biased toward wanting to maintain the planet habitable)

Here's a Reuters story on the same issue:

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...3&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage3


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1190 times:

Quoting Joni (Reply 5):
Do you have some examples of how the WWF would be biased?

They have an agenda Joni like everyone else. Like the Republicans, like Ford Motor Company, like Green Peace, etc. Like anyone else, they're trying to sell their message and make a buck to support their cause . . .

Everything and everyone is biased to some degree. If it'll make you happy, I'll have a go at that question tonight when I get back to the computer.


I don't dispute the problem Joni . . . I see it right here in Alaska with our fishing industry and the dwindling supplies of some species . . . I dispute the neutrality of the source. Did you read my entire reply #2, or just stopped after I boldfaced WWF?


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1179 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
They have an agenda Joni like everyone else.

That is their entire reason for existence - the point is if you can point out how the preservation of our ecosystem is a nefarious agenda...!


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
They have an agenda Joni like everyone else.

This IMO isn't the same as "bias", which is a negative word implying impartiality or deceit:

bias ('baɪəs) n 1 mental tendency or inclination, esp. an irrational preference or prejudice

I agree that the Republicans can be "biased" if they don't count votes cast for Democrats, or that South Africa was "biased" against black people in the Apartheid era. WRT WWF, I don't agree that it's "biased", on the contrary it appears to be a remarkably clear-headed organization.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
How about Singapore. Use any oil there?

I'm not imprtessed with your tactics. Making sense and valid points will not work with me.

Signed, Singapore_Air


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