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Dem GOP: Who Really Supports The Troops?  
User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

This non-partisan veteran's group.

http://iava.org/index.php?option=com...ntent&task=view&id=2023&Itemid=210

Ranks the Senators by their votes.

http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2006/1...rt-troops-rankings-for-senate.html


Kinda of cuts through the hype that GOP is pro-military? Also consider, by an overwelming margin, veterans from Iraq/Afghanistan are running for Congress on the Democratic slate. 11 to 1.

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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Thread starter):
This non-partisan veteran's group.

After a quick peek at the website, they hardly seem non-patisan, no matter what they claim. Until you define what type of support you are talking about, it is hard to say who gives more of it.

That said, I think both sides exploit the troops, but that is another matter.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Anyone who says one party supports troops more than others are fools. There are plenty on both sides who honestly, earnestly support the troops in their efforts. There are some in both parties who only want to use them as political and electioneering props.

No one has the monopoly on support of the troops.


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 1):
After a quick peek at the website, they hardly seem non-patisan, no matter what they claim

My be helpful if you explain "why" you think they are partisan? The first link was to their website. The 2nd link was a blogger who merely compiled the grades for each Senator in a complete list.


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
There are some in both parties who only want to use them as political and electioneering props.

Oh yes falcon. The Dems and GOP are just two sides of the same coin in this matter. As we all know it's the Dems have bashed the GOP over the patriotism and not supporting the troops for years now....LOL

You're a great example of a weak knee'd liberal. You can't help yourself. You take the GOP stance and the Dem stance and slice it down the middle. And that's your opinion. Wondering why other Dems aren't as wise as you? Can't we all just get along? You're the exact reason we've lost the last ten years. You have no fire in the belly.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1683 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 4):
You're a great example of a weak knee'd liberal.

 rotfl 

I'd say I'm more an example of a fair-minded person, Artie R Smith. I am a partisian, but not to the point where I'm blinded to all around me, or the truth about many who don't share my views.

Thanks for the laugh, though.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 4):
You take the GOP stance and the Dem stance and slice it down the middle

Uh, that's what you call a "moderate", Artie. Look it up in the dictionary. I am more liberal on some issues, more conservative on others.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
Uh, that's what you call a "moderate", Artie. Look it up in the dictionary. I am more liberal on some issues, more conservative on others.

I'm not sure what you are, but your immediate and continuous support of the London police happily shooting first and only asking soft questions after an innocent civilian was already dead really threw me for a loop. I'm not sure what kind of 'moderate' supports the killing of innocent civilians.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 6):
I'm not sure what you are, but your immediate and continuous support of the London police happily shooting first and only asking soft questions after an innocent civilian was already dead really threw me for a loop. I'm not sure what kind of 'moderate' supports the killing of innocent civilians.

What does that have to do with this, SATX? I've always maintained one thing: I am a moderate. I'm Center-Left, and say that with no shame. If you don't like my stances on here, I can only say I'm not on here to please you or anyone else. I don't take everything on party line but on it's individual merits. I supported what the London police did, and I don't see why I need to apologize to you or anyone on here.


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 6):
I'm not sure what you are,

This is his schtick. . Pick an issue/event. Falcon will take the middle route. As long as he gets criticism from the left and right. This proves he is "reasonable". ...LOL

Much like these editorials that list a Right winger claiming liberal media bias, then lists a left winger claiming media favoritism towards conservatives.
They chuckle and say something to the effect " we must be doing something right, we're getting slammed from both sides"" ha ha ha.

It's a neutered, meaningless political outlook. Mostly harmless.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 8):
It's a neutered, meaningless political outlook.

It's an outlook based on personal thought, not party-line playbook, Artie. The truth is, you are what the far right is really talking about when they refer to the "liberals"-people who are so far to the left that they cannot even see the middle.


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 3):
My be helpful if you explain "why" you think they are partisan?

Because they have an agenda. They even admit it.

From www.m-w.com

Main Entry: 1par·ti·san
Variant(s): also par·ti·zan /'pär-t&-z&n, -s&n, -"zan, chiefly British "pär-t&-'zan/
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French partisan, from north Italian dialect partian, from part part, party, from Latin part-, pars part
1 : a firm adherent to a party , faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance

All sorts of groups and people claim to be "non-partisan", just because they don't have an "R" or a "D" after thier name. Wish all you want, but it won't make it so.

Now, what sort of support for the troops did you have in mind?



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Anyone who says one party supports troops more than others are fools.

That's right.

Ther Repubs and Democrats have BOTH helped to destroy the effectiveness and efficiency of the US Military . . . Bush 1 started the downsizing based on shortsightedness and Clinton accelerated it based on blindness . . .

You're spot on Falcon - both sides are to blame in their NON-Support of the US Military.

Quoting SATX (Reply 6):

Well, the wind blew and shit flew and here's a post by SATX . . .nothing constructive of course.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 8):
This is his schtick

And here is the epitome of the Pot Kettle Black Scenario . . . the most vitriolic anti-Republican poster currently posting (in competition for all time winner only with RSmith) telling us someone else has a Schtick!  rotfl  Absolutely hilarious.

Say, ArtieFluffer . . . when are you going to say you were wrong about the Eisenhower Battle Group???

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 4):
You're the exact reason we've lost the last ten years.

Sorry to burst your bubble ArtieRSmith . . . but the reason the Democrats keep getting their asses handed to them is the have nothing, zippo, no plan . . . their only plan is to attack the Republicans and point fingers. Repubs have plans - shitty ones of course - but you and your fellow uber-lefties have nothing . . . empty suits . . . .

But you can continue to live in your fantasy world . . . it's much more entertaining . . . . imagine if you posted something that actually required cognitive reasoning and thought . . . . I'm sure my Hard Drive would explode.

What about the Eisenhower there Artirepuffin?


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):

Well, the wind blew and shit flew and here's a post by SATX . . .nothing constructive of course.

Pot. Kettle. Black.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 12):
Pot. Kettle. Black.

SATX, ANC, even though his main fault is he's conservative ( Big grin ), he does think more about what he puts in his posts than you ever do. He doesn't just bash everything liberal, as you do conservative. He's not an ideologue, like you and Artie R. Smith above.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 4):
You're the exact reason we've lost the last ten years. You have no fire in the belly.

Actually, blind partisan ass-kissers like you who have no ideas, no solutions, and spend all your time bashing the other side, are the exact reasons while you've lost the last ten years.




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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1593 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
I've always maintained one thing: I am a moderate. I'm Center-Left, and say that with no shame.

Calling yourself a "moderate" or Center-X is the exact opposite of taking a serious stand. Thus, why would you try to make a point of being an unapologetic fence hugger?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
SATX, ANC, even though his main fault is he's conservative ( Big grin ), he does think more about what he puts in his posts than you ever do. He doesn't just bash everything liberal, as you do conservative. He's not an ideologue, like you and Artie R. Smith above.

I've been here long enough, and ANC has written more than enough arrogant posts, for me to see him paint himself into a corner dozens of times. However, he has not once ever admitted that he screwed up or went too far in any of the threads I've ever read. Reminds me of Bush, in a way. Feel free to keep up your Center-BS friendship though, means nothing to me either way.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 15):
Thus, why would you try to make a point of being an unapologetic fence hugger?

Maybe it's because, in the same thread, a few years back, SATX, I was labled both a right-wing fascist, and a communist. And I think that is worth noting that I am center-left. That puts me, by the way, where the majority of the American people are politically-somewhere right in the middle. Not everyone is a cookie-cutter liberal or conservative, following party lines. Most think for themselves, have some ideas that are more liberal, some that are more conservative. You, on the other hand, simply follow whatever the left says, and there are those on here who do the same thing on the right.


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 15):
Calling yourself a "moderate" or Center-X is the exact opposite of taking a serious stand. Thus, why would you try to make a point of being an unapologetic fence hugger?

Wrong...it's called slicing out the rhetoric and coming up with a workable solution. Tin-pot lunatics like you, Fufkin, R. Smith, B757300, and others with a "schtick" get nothing done other than to impede the "other team"...at the expense of the American citizen's desire to see something done.

Congress has NEVER been very well respected for largely this reason.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 4):
You're a great example of a weak knee'd liberal. You can't help yourself.



Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 4):
You're the exact reason we've lost the last ten years.

Last I checked, Clinton won his 8 years in office by being the exact opposite of you. With a level head, he appealed to those who don't have a fanatical party affiliation, and actually reached out to all sides on most matters. His Presidency was quite productive in some respects as well. To bad you and SATX don't see that. The reason you've lost lately is because there are too many dingbats, and not enough Clintons (Bills anyways) in the Democratic Party.

That said, watch as the GOP falls, undercut by some of the most viscious and brain dead right wing die hards ever. What's happening to the GOP, happened to the Dems.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 4):
You have no fire in the belly.

Nor you a brain in your head...

I'll take Falcon's grey matter and colder-than-a-witch's-teet stomach even with his abraisive side over your "either with us or against us" mentality any day. If that mentality didn't leave the Shrub's Presidency in a good light, what the hell makes you think it'll work for you or the Dems!?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
Most think for themselves, have some ideas that are more liberal, some that are more conservative. You, on the other hand, simply follow whatever the left says, and there are those on here who do the same thing on the right.

On that last sentence...understatement of the century.

Idealougues are dangerous...to themselves mostly...however there are rare instances like with Hitler and Stalin where their blind devotion to ideas starts costing other people more than just a few inconveniences.

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1563 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 12):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):

Well, the wind blew and shit flew and here's a post by SATX . . .nothing constructive of course.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Nice to see you're still alive . . . some of us missed you . . . not me of course, but some of us . . .

Quoting SATX (Reply 15):
I've been here long enough, and ANC has written more than enough arrogant posts,

Well, hell SATX, what would you expect from a self-proclaimed arrogant SOB . . . difference is I admit it . . . what's your excuse?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
I was labled both a right-wing fascist, and a communist

And now you're weak kneed also . . .  rotfl  . . . damn, Falcon you really gotta get your crap together man . . . .  rotfl 


You know, upon reflection, I think I did miss you SATX . . . . not often targets of opportunity present a full frontal body and head shot so often . . .  thumbsup 


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1558 times:

So here I am.....scrolling down this thread on the ol' BlackBerry, thinking to myself that the only logical response to the original question has to be: whether or not we support the WAR, we all need to support the TROOPS fighting the war.....but then I'm greeted with a bash-fest.

Oh, but you all crack me up sometimes. Thanks for the entertainment  lol !!!

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1549 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
Well, hell SATX, what would you expect from a self-proclaimed arrogant SOB . . . difference is I admit it . . . what's your excuse?

You admit you're an arrogant SOB? That's a bit more progress than I had expected.

So how about giving up the moderate-independent tattoo on your forehead while you're turning over this new leaf? Just to show you what a nice guy I am I'll even pay for the removal. The only string attached is that you have to let me choose the method. I'm thinking rough grit sandpaper? Don't worry, I'll let Falcon apply lotion afterward and I'll include a bottle large enough so he can provide some full-body therapy in the process. If completely removing it is simply out of the question, how about adding *only applies in Alaska along the bottom? Either way is fine with me.



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