Luisde8cd From Venezuela, joined Aug 2004, 2516 posts, RR: 34 Posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1513 times:
Bolivia's socialist President Evo Morales (who considers Chavez his mentor) announced that Venezuela will drop its UN Security Council bid and will sponsor Bolivia instead.
We'll have to wait until Wednesday to see if this turns out to be true. This will confirm the huge diplomatic loss of Chavez at the United Nations. He has also suffered hard blows during 2006:
- Peru's presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez lost.
- Mexico's presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez lost.
- Ecuador presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez is trailing in polls.
KLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 21 Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1492 times:
Wow, that is going to be something definately worth seeing! Though IMHO Bolivia will have much less support than Venezuela did, as the political weigh of the latter is definately more important respecting Latin America.
Also with this view, Venezuela is more important than Guatemala. But we all know all the interests involved in this.
Bongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1858 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1477 times:
Quoting KLM685 (Reply 2): Also with this view, Venezuela is more important than Guatemala
It depends of the point of view, I think every single Country in the World must be treated with respect.
Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter): Bolivia's socialist President Evo Morales (who considers Chavez his mentor) announced that Venezuela will drop its UN Security Council bid and will sponsor Bolivia instead.
Sorry for my friends and brothers of Venezuela but I now really want Guatemala to win.
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MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15730 posts, RR: 48 Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1476 times:
Carmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4686 posts, RR: 35 Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1462 times:
Quoting KLM685 (Reply 2): Venezuela is more important than Guatemala.
Just kidding...
The thing is, people, I seem to recall that Venezuela would withdraw only if Guatemala withdrew from the bid. So, I may be mistaken (and I hope I am!), but doesn't this mean that Bolivia would be the only candidate now?
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8492 posts, RR: 43 Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1414 times:
Quoting JOSEMEX (Reply 6): Let's hope not; whether it is oficially Venezuela or Bolivia makes no real difference: it will be Chavez who will be calling the shots.
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Sean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1407 times:
Notice now that as oil prices have cooled off so has Chavez. How does he plan to pay for those Russian fighter jets? (among other things)
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15730 posts, RR: 48 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 9): Can you imagine how many financial commitments they made assuming a higher price for oil?
Even though López Obrador still insits on the victory being his, in the end, he should just throw the towel, be a fair loser and end this chapter. His efforts against Calderón, who won fair and square, are simply useless.
Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter): Ecuador presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez is trailing in polls.
I hope this will translate into a total loss for the Chávez backed candidate and another victory of common sense.
I read in La República today that nothing is definitive regarding Venezuela handing the candidacy over to Bolivia. However, I read that Costa Rica has been mentioned as another possible consensus candidate, but I doubt that idea will live for long. Good luck for Guatemala in their bid for a Security Council seat!
Slightly OT: This november, Nicaragua will also hold general elections. Does anyone know if the Sandinistas, especially their presidential candidate Daniel Ortega, are also backed by Chávez?
Not according to MALO. He's still dreaming he'll win!
Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter): - Ecuador presidential candidate directly backed by Chavez is trailing in polls.
That remains to be seen. They said the same in the first electoral 'round'. The leftist candidate got much closer to Noboa than expected.
Quoting JOSEMEX (Reply 6): Let's hope not; whether it is oficially Venezuela or Bolivia makes no real difference: it will be Chavez who will be calling the shots.
Totally agree on that one. I'm sorry to say, Bolivia is and will be Venezuela's (Chavez) puppet.
Quoting KLM685 (Reply 2): Though IMHO Bolivia will have much less support than Venezuela did, as the political weigh of the latter is definately more important respecting Latin America.
Don't count on that, A. Mercosur will continue to vote as a block. So, Brasil, Argentina, Venezuela, Paraguay and POSSIBLY, Uruguay.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4): Although the candidate that won the race would have made Chavez very proud when he flushed Peru down the toilet the first time he was president Silly
LOL, exactly my thoughts.
There's one thing that remains to be seen, that is, how much support will Guatemala get. There's a lot of support from the North, but the South seems VERY reluctant to vote for her.
I sincerely hope Chavez goes away.
Cheers!
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Carmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4686 posts, RR: 35 Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1350 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11): Does anyone know if the Sandinistas, especially their presidential candidate Daniel Ortega, are also backed by Chávez?
Wouldn't be surprised if they are...
Earlier this year, Guatemala's president Oscar Berger expressed his concern about Chavez's influence in the Central American region, namely in El Salvador and Nicaragua, where the left has a strong presence. According to him (and El Salvador's president Antonio Saca), Chavez had been gaining supporters among the leftist "alcaldías" in those countries by providing them with cheap fuel. El Loco Hugo issued his standard "lapdog of the U.S. imperialism" reply, but Berger didn't bother to make a greater deal out of it.
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12): There's one thing that remains to be seen, that is, how much support will Guatemala get. There's a lot of support from the North, but the South seems VERY reluctant to vote for her.
I guess that's because our bid has been so strongly supported by the U.S., it may be more an anti-U.S. thing than an anti-Guatemala thing. There is a perception that we are the U.S. puppet (which we are NOT ).
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1343 times:
I've heard so much about South America's natural appeal that I hope to visit it one day. The more I learn about the political stuff that goes on over there, the more I feel that the wonders of its geography and the beauty of its people are rather ill-served.
Let's hope that things resolve themselves before too long.
AndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1335 times:
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12): The leftist candidate got much closer to Noboa than expected.
The way I read it was that the leftist candidate was ahead prior to the election.
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 14): The more I learn about the political stuff that goes on over there, the more I feel that the wonders of its geography and the beauty of its people are rather ill-served.
Maybe I am a little biased, but there are some gorgeous areas in LatAm. For fun, you should do the 30 min. GYE-UIO flight, from sea level to 9000 ft. If you get really lucky and a clear day, you'll see several snow capped volcanos during the flight.
Luisde8cd From Venezuela, joined Aug 2004, 2516 posts, RR: 34 Reply 16, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1330 times:
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 1): Luis, te invito a una cerveza para celebrar! Viva Ecuador.
Seguro, Andres! Una corona te parece bien?
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 1): Most of my family in Ecuador dislikes Chavez and think he is a dork.
Quoting Bongo (Reply 3): Sorry for my friends and brothers of Venezuela but I now really want Guatemala to win.
No problem Bongo, we all want Guatemala to win. This is a Guatemala vs. Chavez thing. It's shame that those Chavistas are using my country's name in the UN. They don't represent my country.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
Although the candidate that won the race would have made Chavez very proud when he flushed Peru down the toilet the first time he was president
Indeed but as we say here "Mejor malo conocido que bueno por conocer" (It's better a bad guy we already know than a "good" one who is unknown)
Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 5): I seem to recall that Venezuela would withdraw only if Guatemala withdrew from the bid. So, I may be mistaken (and I hope I am!),
Correct.
Quoting JOSEMEX (Reply 6): Let's hope not; whether it is oficially Venezuela or Bolivia makes no real difference: it will be Chavez who will be calling the shots.
That's correct.
Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 8): How does he plan to pay for those Russian fighter jets?
As a developing country, you can always go to the IMF or issue debt bonds
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 9):
Those bastards are angry about the lower prices
Fidel Castro is the angriest guy right now. He will get less cash from his re-exports of Venezuelan oil.
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12): Yeah, but not because of Chavez. Peruvian people knew what to choose.
Gastón, Ollanta Humalá was leading polls before he met with Chavez in Caracas and Hugo announced his support. After the Caracas meet he started to lose popularity and he even acknowledged in a post-election interview that his relationship with Chavez was the main cause of his defeat.
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12): The leftist candidate got much closer to Noboa than expected.
He was leading the polls actually.
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12): I'm sorry to say, Bolivia is and will be Venezuela's (Chavez) puppet.
We have annexed a new state thanks to almighty Hugo!
Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 12): Don't count on that, A. Mercosur will continue to vote as a block. So, Brasil, Argentina, Venezuela, Paraguay and POSSIBLY, Uruguay.
MERCOSUR will vote as a block, even Uruguay. Politically talking, MERCOSUR is tightly integrated considering that everyone except Paraguay has a leftist goverment. In addition, everyone in MERCOSUR is happy to have a new 26 million people "import-happy" market to export to. Why would they vote for Guatemala?
Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis
Viasa we miss you!. Good times will return after Chavez is gone!
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1323 times:
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 15): Maybe I am a little biased, but there are some gorgeous areas in LatAm. For fun, you should do the 30 min. GYE-UIO flight, from sea level to 9000 ft. If you get really lucky and a clear day, you'll see several snow capped volcanos during the flight.
Thank you for that tip!
From what I've gathered, I could spend weeks in South America and not see even one percent of its natural majesty.
There are so many wonderful areas of the Earth to see.
From Earth orbit and its proximity, it is clear beyond cavil that we live on just a single planet, sharing a history of aeons as sentient beings traveling through infinite space. I believe that if there is a God, then He has made us able to appreciate the vastness of space so that we can understand the importance of what we have here, on our own world.
Sometimes I wish that all world leaders could be required to hang a large mural of a view the Earth from 100,000 miles away in a place of prominence in their houses of governance in a place they are required to see as they enter their offices, because perhaps only then will they realize that what binds us together is often far greater than what set us apart.
AndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1323 times:
Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 16): MERCOSUR is tightly integrated considering that everyone except Paraguay has a leftist goverment.
But you have to point out that only Chavez has behaved as a true leftist. The rest have been more capitalistic in their economies than first assumed. I remember when the world was concerned about Lula in Brazil, and that is no longer and issue. The same with Chile. Here it was big news that the Socialists had won, when they had essentially stayed in power and are strong advocates of free markets.
Abrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 55 Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1286 times:
Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 16): Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 8):
How does he plan to pay for those Russian fighter jets?
As a developing country, you can always go to the IMF
= The IMF does not give financing for the direct purchase of perceived or real infrastructure needs. It gives loans to ensure financial system stability.
Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 20): Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 19):
There is a difference between not representing your country and not representing you.
They represent 12 million Cubans, not me nor many million of Venezuelan citizens. Do you see that difference?
= I think the 12 million Cubans would be extrapolating a bit far based on perhaps political viewpoints. I agree - sure they might not represent you or "many million" of Venezuelan citizens ... but until the elite in Venezuela (or any other Latin country in the world for the matter/and most represented on this board) recognize that it does represent "many more millions", there will never be harmony and extremism on both sides will thrive.
Derico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4233 posts, RR: 13 Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1259 times:
Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 21): = I think the 12 million Cubans would be extrapolating a bit far based on perhaps political viewpoints. I agree - sure they might not represent you or "many million" of Venezuelan citizens ... but until the elite in Venezuela (or any other Latin country in the world for the matter/and most represented on this board) recognize that it does represent "many more millions", there will never be harmony and extremism on both sides will thrive.
Well, this certainly shows the polarized situation of politics in many countries.
I don't care if a polititian is capitalist or 'socialist' (well I do), or if he or she is leftist or right wing (well I do)... HOWEVER, if they are DIVIDERS first (by class, or race, etc), I would hope no one ever voted for them.
Unfortunately in many countries, such polititians (left and right) that poralize societies for their own benefit causing huge long-term damage, sometimes win.
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BTW, Pilsener is a much better beer than Corona. I dont know why Ecuador doesnt export it. They have plenty of available beers, but most still prefer the local one.
25 RAPCON: Luis, We have an expression in PR that befits the current Venezuelan government: Una coleccion de pendejos--(english: a colection of assholes) My lov
26 LTU932: Even though it would have sounded much more communist had they replaced the "citizen" with "comrade". I'm also particlarly stunned about having to pu
27 Luisde8cd: Government officials use comrade every time, I wonder why they didn't use it. Their election slogans say: "Vencer o Morir!" or "Patria o Muerte!" I d
28 LTU932: Too bad El Loco Hugo never joined Heaven's Gate. He could have saved us a lot of trouble had he participated in the Heaven's Gate mass suicide.
29 Abrelosojos: = Very well said. And the sad part is that in many countries, the right is so obsessed with keeping personal wealth and vilifying the equally moronic
30 Carmenlu15: An update on this issue... http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ.../01/security.council.ap/index.html Both Venezuela and Guatemala have agreed to step
31 LTU932: Too bad about Guatemala not getting the seat. I didn't count on Panama as consensus candidate, but at least it's a viable solution. Vealo así: fue u
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