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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1629 times:
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Just got an email from Microsoft. Good news for those of us holding back on buying a new PC to wait for Vista. If you purchase a new PC now, you can sign up for express upgrade. With certain editions of Windows XP, this upgrade is free (plus S&H).

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/expressupgrade.mspx


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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

I wouldn't do it.

OS Upgrades almost always suck.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1607 times:
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I wouldn't upgrade either, I'd just make a clean Vista install once I got the CD. But..this of course would mean that all the programs I use would need to be compatible with Vista first. Like Nero...


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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1606 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
I wouldn't do it.

OS Upgrades almost always suck.

Nothing wrong with getting the upgrade disks, you dont have to install the prior version of the OS first, it just asks you to insert said disk for previous OS during the install.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21463 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

Be careful...

a) These upgrades may only be crippled versions.

b) Vista is crippled anyway - be aware that you won't be able to "move" the system more than once, and that it will cripple your computer should it (incorrectly) detect that your version was not "authentical".

They're yanking the leash ever tighter.

You probably know what I'd recommend as a much better alternative...  mischievous 


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):

Apple, Apple. For me, I hate Apple hardware and the fact I cannot run MS Flight Simulator in it.

The "real" much better alternative  smile 


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 5):

Apple, Apple. For me, I hate Apple hardware and the fact I cannot run MS Flight Simulator in it.

The "real" much better alternative

You deride Apple hardware because you cant run MS Flight Sim on it (which Im doing as we speak...) and then you link to what you call the 'real' alternative - an OS which has 'interesting' graphics capabilities (tried getting a modern ATI card working at full acceleration recently? Tried running an Nvidia card on a 64bit platform recently?), requires you to ditch every bit of software you currently own, and still wont run MS Flight Sim.

What are you smoking?


User currently offlineTmatt95 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

I am thinking of upgrading to Vista. I think I will wait until it is released though although it does sound like a good deal. Out of interest are there any prices yet?
Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
Be careful...

a) These upgrades may only be crippled versions.

b) Vista is crippled anyway - be aware that you won't be able to "move" the system more than once, and that it will cripple your computer should it (incorrectly) detect that your version was not "authentical".

They're yanking the leash ever tighter.

You probably know what I'd recommend as a much better alternative... mischievous

ROFL.. Just to think within 10 years, the way they are going, they may be making operating systems that only run on Microsoft branded hardware

[Edited 2006-10-27 20:20:45]

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21463 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 7):
ROFL.. Just to think within 10 years, the way they are going, they may be making operating systems that only run on Microsoft branded hardware

They'd find it somewhat difficult to enforce that kind of thing...!  mischievous 

And maybe even harder to find actual paying customers.


User currently offlineTmatt95 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
They'd find it somewhat difficult to enforce that kind of thing...! mischievous

And maybe even harder to find actual paying customers.

I dont know... Apple seems to be doing it very well  mischievous 

I wonder how the upgrade CD's will be sent out?
Matt


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21463 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 9):
I dont know... Apple seems to be doing it very well

Only as long as their market share is still relatively low. They might have to open up once the competition watchdogs on either side of the pond take note...!


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 6):
You deride Apple hardware because you cant run MS Flight Sim on it (which Im doing as we speak...) and then you link to what you call the 'real' alternative - an OS which has 'interesting' graphics capabilities (tried getting a modern ATI card working at full acceleration recently? Tried running an Nvidia card on a 64bit platform recently?), requires you to ditch every bit of software you currently own, and still wont run MS Flight Sim.

Certainly, you can run MSFS on a Mac if the drive has been partitioned, but you can't just build any awesome computer and install just the OSX on it. It must be "Apple branded hardware." As far as 64-bit stuff, that is still in its infancy, so problems are expected.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
Vista is crippled anyway - be aware that you won't be able to "move" the system more than once

Actually, they've specified that fairly recently. You're now allowed 10 transfers, with a transfer being required only with the replacement of 2 or more major components (hard disk, motherboard, etc.).



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 11):
Certainly, you can run MSFS on a Mac if the drive has been partitioned, but you can't just build any awesome computer and install just the OSX on it. It must be "Apple branded hardware." As far as 64-bit stuff, that is still in its infancy, so problems are expected.

No, but I can buy a Mac and run MS FLight Sim on it.

And 64bit is far from 'still in its infancy', Ive been running a 64bit system in one form or another for about 12 years. But I cant run 64bit linux *and* have accelerated graphics with the Nvidia drivers.


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 13):
No, but I can buy a Mac and run MS FLight Sim on it.

That is what I said in my post,

Quoting N231YE (Reply 11):
Certainly, you can run MSFS on a Mac if the drive has been partitioned



Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 13):
And 64bit is far from 'still in its infancy', Ive been running a 64bit system in one form or another for about 12 years.

That's not what I have been told. 32bit is what the majority of the world is using now, and due to the fact that running 32bit programs and hardware on a 64bit system creates an "emulator and driver nightmare," I would venture to say its still in its infancy. Only when the majority of the world goes to 64bit, will it be fully developed.

As far as Linux and Mac, you do know that OSX is based off Unix, in which Linux is based off of too. As far as I know, I have several friends that are majoring in Computer Science, they will tell you that Linux is the best operating system, due to its stability, security, and and the fact it is open-sourced, so there is no company that can hold a monopoly on it. And as stated before, Linux can be used as a second operating system, like Windows on a Mac, yet because one doesn't have to use "Apple branded hardware," one can build their own machine, and optimize it for gaming, using Windows when they want to game, and Linux for everything else.

[Edited 2006-10-27 23:28:59]

User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 14):
That's not what I have been told. 32bit is what the majority of the world is using now, and due to the fact that running 32bit programs and hardware on a 64bit system creates an "emulator and driver nightmare," I would venture to say its still in its infancy. Only when the majority of the world goes to 64bit, will it be fully developed.

We are talking here about Linux and the Linux market, of which a significant portion is 64bit - go hunt down the download stats for Gentoo and Debian and you will see what I mean.

The problem is, you cannot get accelerated graphics on these distributions, neither Nvidia nor ATI provide 64bit accelerated drivers for their cards on these distributions.

Oh, and 64bit processors have been around retail for 3 years now in the form of the Athlon64, and 2002 in the form of the G5 processor. Ive been using Linux on 64bit DEC Alpha systems since 1997, and so have many of my fellow LUG members.

Theres also nothing nightmareish about running 32bit apps on a 64bit OS - just make sure you have a 32bit libc compiled and you are fine, and most distros handle this for you.

The problem is the companies are not releasing drivers. Hell, its hard enough getting decent drivers for 32bit Linux.

Quoting N231YE (Reply 14):
As far as Linux and Mac, you do know that OSX is based off Unix, in which Linux is based off of too. As far as I know, I have several friends that are majoring in Computer Science, they will tell you that Linux is the best operating system, due to its stability, security, and and the fact it is open-sourced, so there is no company that can hold a monopoly on it. And as stated before, Linux can be used as a second operating system, like Windows on a Mac, yet because one doesn't have to use "Apple branded hardware," one can build their own machine, and optimize it for gaming, using Windows when they want to game, and Linux for everything else.

Every distribution holds a monopoly on Linux - try and move a complex application from Redhat to Gentoo and you will see what I mean, they arent binary compatable even on the same hardware. Sure, the OS is opensource, but in reality what does that mean to you, average joe? Nothing.

Ive been using Linux now for oooh, would it be 10 years? Yeah, something like that. Its far from 'the best operating system', believe me. I refuse to run it on the desktop.

As you can tell, Im no fanboy for any platform.

[Edited 2006-10-27 23:53:23]

User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 15):
As you can tell, Im no fanboy for any platform.

Well, I will admit that you bring up a valid argument. May I ask, then why do you care about OS' if you hate them.

I want a computer that I can custom build, and whatever my main system is to run it, so be it. I want it to unfortunately, at least run Windows, so I can game.

What would you suggest then?

And why do you hate Linux so much? You are like the first computer expert I have met that does not like Linux-all of the others have the "Screw OSX and Windows-go Linux" attitude.

[Edited 2006-10-28 04:50:18]

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

I tried that and passed all req's except hard drive space. IMO, the 15 GB of required space for the home version of Vista is insane. Right now, the only reason I see to upgrade is for the Halo 2 PC game, which will only run on Vista.

Maybe after a year when most every MS hater has had their fun with it, lol.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 16):
Well, I will admit that you bring up a valid argument. May I ask, then why do you care about OS' if you hate them.

I think you misunderstand - I dont hate OSes, I merely wont tout one above another for all circumstances. Im a believer of the best tool for the job, and no OS existing today fits that description on its own.

Quoting N231YE (Reply 16):
I want a computer that I can custom build, and whatever my main system is to run it, so be it. I want it to unfortunately, at least run Windows, so I can game.

What would you suggest then?

What would I suggest or what would I do? Id run Windows, it does the job you want and so long as you only change the graphics card between boots, it wont bitch about activation (you can change the graphics card every boot and it still wont. Not many people understand WPA unfortunately).

No sense in maintaining two OSes, so I wouldnt put anything else on there.

Quoting N231YE (Reply 16):

And why do you hate Linux so much? You are like the first computer expert I have met that does not like Linux-all of the others have the "Screw OSX and Windows-go Linux" attitude.

As I said before, I dont hate, I merely wont tout Linux as the 'be all end all' that some people seem to think it is. My problems are better solved through other means.

I run Linux on production and development servers at work, I even have a Linux box here at home. However, I rate it below Windows on the desktop, so I dont use it there. Also as I said before, best tool for the job, and in this case thats as a server OS where it performs brilliantly for me.

I guess I have this attitude because of my corporate experiences - why spend time, effort and money shoehorning something into a role it will fulfil 'adequetly' when something else will fulfil it 'perfectly'. And its the same for all OSes, they get ued where they outshine the alternatives.

Im also not ideologically driven, so opensource, while beneficial, isnt a deciding factor for me.


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 18):

Thanks for the explaination


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