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Mystery Of Israel's Secret Uranium Bomb  
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2805 times:


Alarm over radioactive legacy left by attack on Lebanon.
Did Israel use a secret new uranium-based weapon in southern Lebanon this summer in the 34-day assault that cost more than 1,300 Lebanese lives, most of them civilians?
Alex!!!


Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Wow! I am under the impression that Robert Fisk's work has been crucial for the admission of Israeli use of cluster bombs etc. Didn't know how deep this hole goes. With the allegations of use of radioactive material almost being like conspiracy theories in wars from Vietnam to Iraq etc I hope in Lebanon some one does a complete investigation and bring forth an indisputable conclusion. I for one, wouldn't be surprised, the question in that case would be the reaction of the rest of the world. Yet another UN resolution of condemnation wouldn't be enough, there are too many of those to no effect already.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

You have to bear in mind that the Independent is a left-wing tabloid rag.

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Thread starter):
a secret new uranium-based weapon in southern Lebanon this summer in the 34-day assault

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most interesting. Just read the full article. HEre some excerpts, to give a picture :
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Robert Fisk: Mystery of Israel's secret uranium bomb
Published: 28 October 2006
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Did Israel use a secret new uranium-based weapon in southern Lebanon this summer in the 34-day assault that cost more than 1,300 Lebanese lives, most of them civilians?
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We know that the Israelis used American "bunker-buster" bombs on Hizbollah's Beirut headquarters. We know that they drenched southern Lebanon with cluster bombs in the last 72 hours of the war, leaving tens of thousands of bomblets which are still killing Lebanese civilians every week.
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But scientific evidence gathered from at least two bomb craters in Khiam and At-Tiri, the scene of fierce fighting between Hizbollah guerrillas and Israeli troops last July and August, suggests that uranium-based munitions may now also be included in Israel's weapons inventory - and were used against targets in Lebanon. According to Dr Chris Busby, the British Scientific Secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk, two soil samples thrown up by Israeli heavy or guided bombs showed "elevated radiation signatures". Both have been forwarded for further examination to the Harwell laboratory in Oxfordshire for mass spectrometry - used by the Ministry of Defence - which has confirmed the concentration of uranium isotopes in the samples. Dr Busby's initial report states that there are two possible reasons for the contamination. "The first is that the weapon was some novel small experimental nuclear fission device or other experimental weapon (eg, a thermobaric weapon) based on the high temperature of a uranium oxidation flash ... The second is that the weapon was a bunker-busting conventional uranium penetrator weapon employing enriched uranium rather than depleted uranium." A photograph of the explosion of the first bomb shows large clouds of black smoke that might result from burning uranium.
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American and British forces used hundreds of tons of depleted uranium (DU) shells in Iraq in 1991 - their hardened penetrator warheads manufactured from the waste products of the nuclear industry - and five years later, a plague of cancers emerged across the south of Iraq.
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"When a uranium penetrator hits a hard target, the particles of the explosion are very long-lived in the environment," Dr Busby said yesterday. "They spread over long distances. They can be inhaled into the lungs. The military really seem to believe that this stuff is not as dangerous as it is." Yet why would Israel use such a weapon when its targets - in the case of Khiam, for example - were only two miles from the Israeli border? The dust ignited by DU munitions can be blown across international borders, just as the chlorine gas used in attacks by both sides in the First World War often blew back on its perpetrators.
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Incredible stuff !


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6751 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Well, not so much a "secret Uranium Bomb"...
I don't buy the "experimental nuclear device" idea... but depleted uranium and/or enriched uranium is plausible. Depleted Uranium is probably the cause.

The disturbing thing is ""When a uranium penetrator hits a hard target, the particles of the explosion are very long-lived in the environment," Dr Busby said yesterday. "They spread over long distances. They can be inhaled into the lungs. The military really seem to believe that this stuff is not as dangerous as it is." Yet why would Israel use such a weapon when its targets - in the case of Khiam, for example - were only two miles from the Israeli border? The dust ignited by DU munitions can be blown across international borders, just as the chlorine gas used in attacks by both sides in the First World War often blew back on its perpetrators.

So, when there's a rise in cancer in northern Israel, what will happen?
1. Israel blames Hizbullah or terrorists for leaking radioactive material into the atmosphere from Lebanon?
2. Israel accuses Hizbullah of firing DU or Enriched Uranium tipped Katyushas supplied by the Iranians?
3. Pretend it never happens?

And then... Hizbullah sees an increase in cancer in it's areas in Lebanon... what will happen?
1. Hizzie blames Israel for using radioactive munitions?
2. Hizzie blames Israel again for killing Lebanese?
3. They'll buy Katuysha rockets with depleted or enriched Uranium from Iran and starts firing it at Haifa again in revenge?

It just won't stop would it? Unless, someone has common sense and stop this circle (Don't count on GWB on this one!  Smile )

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 4):
common sense and stop this circle (Don't count on GWB

Well, there in 2 years and 3 months will be a new person in the White House, and I hope we then can count on her.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6751 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

HER? Not Condie Rice I hope!

LOL

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Hillary Clinton is about as pro-Israel as any potential presidential candidate in the US. It is a pre-requisite to support Israel 100% against all odds- so democrats or republicans-it will not make any difference at all in terms of ME politics.
There is nothing wrong in being pro-Israel-,as long as you are balanced pro Israel/pro arab world.But this being a rather difficult exercise for an american president,I see no shift whatsoever ahead....



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
and I hope we then can count on her.



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 6):
HER? Not Condie Rice I hope!

OH MON DIEUX.....NOOOO Condi nooooo  Wow!  Wow!  Wow! That's the END
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 8):
NOOOO Condi nooooo Wow! Wow! Wow! That's the END

Not really, but who knows ?

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 7):
Hillary Clinton is about as pro-Israel as any potential presidential candidate in the US.

Hillary Clinton became pro-Israeli when she wanted to become senator of partially Jewish New York. She would have become pro-Mormon had she run for senator of Utah. Most candidates are pro-Israeli, except Ralph Nader.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 7):
I see no shift whatsoever ahead....

In fact a GIGANTIC shift ! Because, whomever gets into the White House on 20Jan09 can be expected to be an intelligent person again. And possibly even accompanied by a vice-president of integrity.


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
Not really, but who knows ?

I know....just see the way she acted in the last war on Lebanon !
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 10):
.just see the way she acted in the last war on Lebanon !

she was/is the employee (HisMaster'sVoice) of GWB, and simply did what her government wanted to have done


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 11):
she was/is the employee (HisMaster'sVoice) of GWB, and simply did what her government wanted to have done

that's true ...anyways we should wait and see what the destiny is hiding to the Middle east region,the Persian golf and Eastern Asia  crossfingers   crossfingers   crossfingers 
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

I'd give this a B+ on creativity, far-fetchedness, and lunacy, but no more than a C- on credibility. Completely failing any sort of common sense test is also a bit of a drawback for this theory, not to mention the dubious science behind it. Enriched Uranium as a KE penetrator? WTF?

Black smoke in an explosion, never seen that before... Thermobaric weapon, eh? The Israelis already have an FAE for clearing mine fields, don't remember anyone claiming it uses Uranium (  Yeah sure ), why not just modify that for whatever evil purpose...

But hey, at least they're not riding the phosphorus pony anymore. That was getting real boring.


LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Quote:
The second is that the weapon was a bunker-busting conventional uranium penetrator weapon employing enriched uranium rather than depleted uranium

Absolutely not. If Israel did that, the enemy could recover the enriched uranium and use it as a weapon against Israel. Israel could not be that stupid, only a newpaper could be that stupid.


User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3599 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

Using enriched uranium would offer NO advantage in a conventional type weapon. The only difference would be the EXTREME cost of using it. Depleated uranium is pretty much harmless unless you're eating the stuff. It's used because of its hardness, not radioactivity.

Plus, uranium in itself isn't that dangerous. You can actually handle it without much danger.

This sounds like a lot of hype.


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 15):
This sounds like a lot of hype.

Any issue involving Israel is HYPEwile issues involving others is HOPE That's why the world is goeing HYP HAP HOP                    
Alex!!!

[Edited 2006-10-28 22:21:45]


Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting LY744 (Reply 13):
The Israelis already have an FAE for clearing mine fields,

They had smart munitions, yet they used cluster bombs and that too on civilians. So its not too far fetched after all.


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2588 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 17):
They had smart munitions, yet they used cluster bombs

Well shells, mostly. And what's your point? What's the connection between smart and cluster bombs/munitions? Two different things for two different purposes. If you're going grocery shopping, would you rather take a Harley, or a minivan?

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 17):
and that too on civilians

Of course, of course. I guess they ran out of puppies to kill, and all of the Palestinians' ground water has been poisoned, so they had to find someone else to torment. But seriously, we ARE talking about those civilians that were told to leave like a week before anyone went near their villages, right?


LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting LY744 (Reply 18):
And what's your point?

No one should be surprised should an irrefutable evidence arise that the allegation in true.

Quoting LY744 (Reply 18):
I guess they ran out of puppies to kill,

Not puppies, non-Jew Arabs. BTW they haven't run out of them.

Quoting LY744 (Reply 18):
and all of the Palestinians' ground water has been poisoned

Correction: Stole!
They stole the land with the water resources with the wall in addition to the occupation.

Quoting LY744 (Reply 18):
But seriously, we ARE talking about those civilians that were told to leave like a week before anyone went near their villages, right?

huh!!!
New Orleans couldn't be evacuated with all those resources. What's your point? A similar warning to all living in illegal settlements and subsequent similarly indiscriminate bombing would be much more justified than Israel telling someone else to get out of their own land (and that's the proof I am an anti-semite??). The IDF is coming!!
P.S And in your response to this, remember we are talking about the Israel that occupied Lebanon at the time. And Hezbollah attacked soldiers while Israel holds thousands of innocent Lebanese civilians from which the release of women and children was demanded for the Israeli soldiers to be returned. The only place where similar standards might not be applied are civilian casualties. Israel can be held more accountable for casualties it causes because of their capabilities. And yet the civilian casualty comparison is all one needs to look at to see which side Israel comes out on even if that only difference is not taken into the account. Not to even mention the economic damage that inspired the other topic currently active in the forum.


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3588 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Now where did my tin foil hat go??

The story makes no sense from a scientific or a military standpoint. Anyone who believes this claptrap is a complete fool.

I'm especially entertained by all the non US citizens prognosticating on the outcome of the next USA presidential election. Rebels without a clue.

I can assure you that the next President of the USA will not have the last name of either Clinton or Rice. Neither has an ice cube's chance in hell of winning a presidential election.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

Here's an AFP article about the results the British scientists have found:


High radiation level found after Israeli bombing in Lebanon
(AFP)

28 October 2006

LONDON - Scientists studying samples of soil thrown up by Israeli bombing in Lebanon have shown high radiation levels, suggesting uranium-based munitions were used, a British newspaper reported on Saturday.

The samples were taken from two bomb craters in Khiam and At-Tiri and have been sent for further analysis to the Harwell laboratory in Oxfordshire, southern England, for mass spectrometry used by the Ministry of Defence, The Independent said.

The samples thrown up by Israeli heavy or guided bombs showed ‘elevated radiation signatures,’ Chris Busby, the British scientific secretary of the European Committee on Radiation Risk, was quoted as saying.

Britain’s Ministry of Defence has confirmed the concentration of uranium isotopes in the samples, the newspaper said.


http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...east_October453.xml§ion=middleeast



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

A perfect example of how tabloid journalism becomes fact.

The same source is quoted over and over and over again, until people like ceders and bravo preach it as the Gospel.

The story has no legs, is a piece of trash and you need to let it go as much as you would the latest Elvis sighting in Kalamazoo.

[Edited 2006-10-29 02:10:58]

User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):
until people like ceders and bravo preach it as the Gospel.



Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 1):
With the allegations of use of radioactive material almost being like conspiracy theories in wars from Vietnam to Iraq etc I hope in Lebanon some one does a complete investigation and bring forth an indisputable conclusion.

You have a very low conception of a Gospel.  Yeah sure

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):
The story has no legs, is a piece of trash and you need to let it go as much as you would the latest Elvis sighting in Kalamazoo.

Between this and the "Iranian Govt forces Jews to wear Star of David" story, I have to say this one might be more legit comparatively.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 23):
Between this and the "Iranian Govt forces Jews to wear Star of David" story.

Agreed, they are both tabloid crap....neither one has any merit.


25 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : >< to leave ? to leave everything behind, giving up everything, stop their work, move to the Phoenicia Intercontinental for a season ? all this in re
26 Dtwclipper : If you take a look at the Khaleej Times article, you will notice that they are using the Independent article as its source.
27 ME AVN FAN : but "The Independent" is one of the British quality newspapers (Times, Guardian, DailyTelegraph, Independent, FinancialTimes) and NOT boulevard-press
28 Post contains links Lurch : Maybe those wondering about the Israle Special weapons should read this as it"s fairly well known by Scientist that Israle has Nuclear weapons and has
29 Scbriml : Only one problem with your ridiculous supposition - The Independent is a quality newspaper.
30 Post contains images Scbriml : The Independent is neither a rag nor a tabloid. It is politically to the left of The Daily Mail, but that wouldn't be difficult.
31 RJpieces : True. Especially more so because she is Senator from New York. She was pro-Israel years before that...The Clinton's always surrounded themselves with
32 Dtwclipper : That may be true, but Frisk in spite of the fact that he is an "expert" on the middle east, hardly is the most objective of reporters. He is vehement
33 ME AVN FAN : Lebanon and Turkey are in that region and ARE democracies. And Jordan has a democratically elected parliament. Morocco has a democratically elected p
34 Cedars747 : I never knew that MASSACRES LIKE QANA AND CHATILLA ARE UNDER THE DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLES Alex!!!
35 ME AVN FAN : And internal democracy has NOTHING to do with ignoring international conventions and UN resolutions. Other democracies DO respect such things you hav
36 Post contains links Rolfen : Snap out of your "democracy=good guys" logic and get some facts. Here: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=2417 http://www.mediamonito
37 Springbok747 : Its a goddamn tabloid article..and the 'story' makes no sense from a military view. Exactly my point. And why hasn't this story been published in news
38 MDorBust : Good lord. If there was a uranium bomb there would be two results: 1) The bomb doesn't reach critical mass and simple explodes as a dirty bomb. No mor
39 LY744 : Assuming that this "Dr Chris Busby" is an actual scientist, I really hope that his comments were taken grossly out of context, because then he would a
40 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I wasn't even going to waste any time in this fantasy thread . . . just more ridiculous Anti-Israel thread from Cedars and his cronies . . . with NO
41 LY744 : Pray tell, what's this backwards tank you're talking about? I haven't exactly been following the forums closely this past couple of months. LY744.
42 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : This thread: Seems Sebolino has his panties in a wad over apparent of percieved "France Bashing" . . . the photo I posted of the Abrams tank, with th
43 Post contains images Cedars747 : And dont tell me now that MR Fisk is one of my cronies.....? Alex!!!
44 ME AVN FAN : what "tabloid" or "boulevard journal" has published the article ???? please clarify - you have Time-Magazine in high regard apparently ! - but first
45 MDorBust : And hence, the backwards tank, as that is the front.
46 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : ooooops ! if so, I did NOT look at it sufficiently. Sorry
47 DLPMMM : The point is that the entire premise of the article is just silly from both a military and a scientific point of view. It makes no sense what so ever
48 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 47): The artice is totally false, yet you continue insisting that it is true I did NOT and do NOT insist on the correctness of t
49 DLPMMM : You are just a silly person. You defended the author and publications that printed this claptrap, thereby trying to lend validity to what is clearly a
50 ME AVN FAN : I opposed the degrading of a highly reputed newspaper and an otherwise decent journalist, just on the basis of an article which may be doubtful. - de
51 DLPMMM : Horsefeathers!! Any reputable newspaper or author would not allow their name to be associated with this type of blatantly false propaganda. This is n
52 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : I never defend propaganda tripes and I am in favour of reducing whatever sectarian hatred there may be in the world. - and the following is from www.
53 Cedars747 : This is exactly what I feel about you.So now you pretend that you are the right one and others are fools.YOU ARE JUST ONE MORE ARROGANT Alex!!!
54 Kay : People claiming that the article is crap are the actual fools. Reason? This: if the article isn't worthy enough to be believed, it can't be the held a
55 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : well, he possibly cherishes that strange propaganda tabloid they produce in Paris, named "The Herald Tribune" !
56 MDorBust : No, simple physics is enough to prove the contents of the article are false. If it was a Uranium bomb that did not reach critical mass, why aren't th
57 DLPMMM : Thank you for the cogent explanation MDorBust. It is amazing how some can try to argue against fact. I don't pretend, I'll just allow you to supply th
58 ME AVN FAN : - With this article he may have made a mistake, but you exaggerate widely. What he however SHOULD have done is far far far more research into the mat
59 Kay : DLPMMM, you're not taking this well. cool down a bit. nobody is accusing you in person of anything. Kay
60 Post contains images Jacobin777 : So why is the United States all crazy and paranoid about "dirty bombs"? And so "high doses of radiation" is ok in your view...go figure... Maybe you
61 MDorBust : I suppose you don't know what the word "atrocity" means. Look it up, I used it in my post.
62 LY744 : Fact is that the vast majority of the population DID in fact get out! OK your turn. YOU tell me what the connection between a PGM and a cluster bomb
63 LY744 : And so are uber-ignorant statements. You bleeding hearts are all the same, you think IDF soldiers are fucking animals, just out there to kill Arabs,
64 Post contains images Jacobin777 : right..so it has to be at "atrocity" levels to make a point? That was what the IDF's point was..enough to kill innocent, but not enough to cause wide
65 Dougloid : Believe the numbers. Are you angry because there's a disparity? Does that justify anything, or are you more interested in keeping score? All of you g
66 MDorBust : 1. I doubt that you know what the IDF's intent was. 2. I said that exploding a dirty bomb would be an atrocity. I didn't set any conditions or "level
67 ME AVN FAN : - Because they regard anything thelike as dangerous if used by elQaeda or people like Saddam .............. NO. Many got out, most just had narrow lu
68 LY744 : And that has not one damn thing to do with what I was talking about. Nice try. None of that are unconventional weapons. Nice try. What the hell does
69 Bravo45 : First up its not off topic. Secondly WTF are you talking about? Israel, the saintly country that it is, never builds any illegal settlement. And if i
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