Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1272 times:
Hi my computer savvy fellow anetters,
I was just wondering; would it be possible to just exchange the Celeron M410 in my current laptop to say a M430? The socket is the same but i dont know about other incompabillities that might occur.
And to stretch things further; what about putting any other CPU in that Celeron M slot? Would it hypothetically work? Say a Pentium M, Core Solo/Duo or any of that sort.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1252 times:
It's a HP nx6310 laptop, dont know about the brand of the mobo though (could it be HP?). Perhaps i should open it up and see if the CPU is in a socket or soldered.
Mainly i'm just curious if in general a laptop should be able to run with a different processor than it's delivered with..logically changing to a faster Celeron CPU from the same family should in theory work.
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1232 times:
Quoting WSOY (Reply 4): Richard, a small update please, this century's mobile PC CPUs are socketed all right:
No, most CPUs require a certain socket *version* (370, 475, 775, 971 etc) but not necessarily a physical socket to plug into so long as the motherboard provides a compatable interface.
Most mobile systems OEMs use a permanent design which has the CPU soldiered directly to the motherboard where the actual socket is part of the motherboard. In this design you cannot change the CPU easily, or in 99% of cases at all.
What the thread starter requires is a ZIF socket, which most mobile systems OEMS do *not* include because it takes up extra space, something mobile systems do not have to waste.
So I stand by my assertion that the thread starter will find this very hard, if not impossible to do, due to the way laptops are constructed.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1228 times:
Very well guys, i'll just open up my good ol' (actually it's only 2 months old) HP and see if the bastard is socketed or soldered. Provided there's an easy way of opening it up without risking breaking anything.
WSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1228 times:
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 5): Most mobile systems OEMs use a permanent design which has the CPU soldiered directly to the motherboard where the actual socket is part of the motherboard. In this design you cannot change the CPU easily, or in 99% of cases at all.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1219 times:
Quoting WSOY (Reply 7): Richard, I understand you're a guy that's never wrong, but can you please explain to me the availability of separate(d) mobile CPUs as here
Yes, that is interesting..why are mobile CPU's sold in every decent computer store if it's next to impossible to change them?
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1216 times:
Quoting WSOY (Reply 7): Richar, I see you're a guy that's never wrong, but can you please explain to me the availability of separate(d) mobile CPUs as here:
Because Intel and AMD will sell these chips to OEM integrators that provide low power, low heat , low noise desktop units. There are benefits to running these in normal desktop systems, which is why you can buy them.
Go ahead, take apart any laptop around you, Im going to lay money on the fact that 99% of them do not include a full socket but rather have the CPU soldiered to the motherboard.
This is an example of what Im talking about:
CPUs and no sockets. Wont be getting those off the motherboard any time soon.
I have been doing this for about a decade now, Im not talking out of my arse...
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1206 times:
Quoting Mika (Reply 10): Aight, point taken Richard. I'll try and open my HP up later today and see what it looks like..i'll post the results here for anyone interested.
Yup, thats the best way to find out. Im not saying 100% for sure you will be out of luck, but my experiences have shown that laptop manufacturers dont spend out on cost which they dont need, and sockets cost them in both size, weight and parts.
You never know, you may get lucky, some desktop replacement systems do have sockets, but only the really big beasts and they are few and far between.
WSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1205 times:
Richard, you're talking history now. I said "this century's" which refers to CPUs faster than around 600 MHz. Today's Mobile PC CPUs are socketed, as I said. The old PowerPC Macs that you worked with and showed to us may have been different.
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1201 times:
Quoting WSOY (Reply 12): Richard, you're talking history now. I said "this century's" which refers to CPUs faster than around 600 MHz. Today's Mobile PC CPUs are socketed, as I said. The old PowerPC Macs that you worked with and showed to us may have been different.
Oh for crying out loud, pull your head out of your arse please. You post a picture of a Mac Mini - precisely the reason you can buy Mobile CPUs retail. I posted a picture of a Macbook Pro, and guess what - no socket!
99% of laptops have nonsocketed CPUs, they are soldiered to the motherboard or part of a packaged slot system specific to manufacturers. Sure, you can find exceptions, but thats all they are, exceptions, especially as laptops get smaller and smaller.
You know how many 'this century' laptops (Pentium M and above) Ive taken apart in the past 3 years? About 200. And you know how many of those had sockets? About 10.
Go ahead and argue the point, you are wrong. Ive had enough of you, enjoy talking to yourself.
Good luck Mika, I hope you have one of the rare exceptions.
WSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1197 times:
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 13): Go ahead and argue the point, you are wrong. Ive had enough of you, enjoy talking to yourself.
See you in another thead! Nice talking to you Richard!
The rest may want to take a look here: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/TYPE-Mobile%20Sempron.html
The words "754-pin lidded PGA" speak of a very low-profile CPU socket that meet the desktop Socket 754 specs. The "lid" I presume refers to something that you can lift away before you remove the CPU.
WSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1181 times:
Speaking of historical machines, I went and checked what was under the CPU heatsink of a couple of old HP Omnibook Xe3s. There was the old PGA solderable PIII package (700 MHz), not soldered to the mainboard, but to another thin square board underneath that was then sitting in the socket on the motherboard
The rationale behind this was, I believe, that in order to produce different versions of their product effectively, there was more freedom for HP to organise their producion that way.
With today's fast climbing MHzs, nobody wants to be stranded with obsolete mainboards with soldered-in-CPUs in their stock, so socketing rules. As I said, with the more stable product lines (such as the Mac) that risk was acceptable to some makers in the past.
BHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1176 times:
Quoting Mika (Reply 3): It's a HP nx6310 laptop, dont know about the brand of the mobo though (could it be HP?). Perhaps i should open it up and see if the CPU is in a socket or soldered.
HP does design their own. It will almost certainly be soldered, check partsurfer.hp.com to see if the processor is available as a separate SKU to be sure.
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 5): What the thread starter requires is a ZIF socket, which most mobile systems OEMS do *not* include because it takes up extra space, something mobile systems do not have to waste.
It also makes for a much less reliable machine in the laptop environment.
Quoting Mika (Reply 6): Very well guys, i'll just open up my good ol' (actually it's only 2 months old) HP and see if the bastard is socketed or soldered. Provided there's an easy way of opening it up without risking breaking anything.
Most likely it's under the keyboard. Simply remove the screws on the bottom of the laptop with a keyboard icon next to them then flip back 3-4 small latches on top of the keyboard close to the screen. The keyboard should then hinge up adjacent to the spacebar. This is also how you access the factory installed memory DIMM if it needs replacement.
WSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1165 times:
The NX6130's CPUs official notes from Intel: ftp://download.intel.com/design/mobile/applnots/29852001.pdf
Quote: "this document defines the surface mount (SMT) Zero Insertion Force (ZIF) socket that will support the Micro-FCPGA mobile processor packages. The mobile Micro-FCPGA socket (mPGA479M) must be low cost, low risk, robust, reliable, and manufactureable in high volumes". And so on how the Intel mobile CPU socket works. Obviously Intel has an idea that ZIF sockets are not totally unreliable?
BHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1165 times:
Quoting Mika (Reply 17): HP partsurfer says does list a bunch of CPU's to the nx6310 series, it does seem like it's not soldered onto the mobo then.
Now you need to really open it up and look at it. If it's just the processor then you're good to upgrade. More likely, it's a custom assembly with heat sink and possibly some power conditioning circuitry, etc. as well. If it's just the standard Intel processor alone or in a way that you can easily swap then you're in good shape. Be sure to use the appropriate grease or other heat transfer material between the processor and the heat sink unless you want your HP to burn like a Dell or Mac.
AC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1157 times:
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 13): Go ahead and argue the point, you are wrong. Ive had enough of you, enjoy talking to yourself.
I can't speak for every laptop out there, but every last laptop I've fixed, dismantled, or looked at (It's been at least 16 now) has had a socketed CPU. I've only seen HPs and Dells, but otherwise they've run the gamut in both price and age.
Quoting Mika (Thread starter): And to stretch things further; what about putting any other CPU in that Celeron M slot? Would it hypothetically work?
In that socket, only a Celeron M or Pentium M would work. Intel changed the socket slightly for the Core Duo and Core2 Duo.
Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1151 times:
Quoting AC773 (Reply 20): In that socket, only a Celeron M or Pentium M would work. Intel changed the socket slightly for the Core Duo and Core2 Duo.
A Pentium M probably would speed things up noticeably, right now i'm running on a 1,46Ghz Celeron M410. It's actually surprisingly "un-slow" but it'd be nice to be able to swap it for a geniune Pentium M or something similar later on.
Thanks for all the input guys, much appriceated! I will look inside the computer later and see what i can find.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1133 times:
Just managed to open up the laptop and have a look inside...guess what..it is socketed! I didn't think that the Intel Celeron M CPU was that small..but it's clearly connected to the mobo through a small socket with a screw-type latch that says 'On' and 'Off'.
So it's looking good, perhaps i can change my M410 for a faster one later on or even a Pentium M. It shall be interesting to try in any case.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1112 times:
Thanks for that WSOY, great!
Humm..dammit, do i get it right if i think that i can throw a Core 2 Duo CPU in my computer? To me it seems that all the versions of the computer have the same mainboard (except the ones with fingerprint reader etc).
I'll save that pdf and read it in detail at home; thanks once again!
25 AC773: Nope, sorry. Intel has a slightly different socket and chipset for their Core and Core2 Duo CPUs. If your laptop was capable of running those, it wou
26 WSOY: My data shows that the HP nc6310 has the Intel 945GM chipset. According to the Intel site the following CPUs are supported by the 945GM: Intel® Core
27 Waterpolodan: Not that this is useful information at all, but I've got a desktop and I bought a much faster cpu (Athlon 3200+ as opposed to 1800+) on ebay for the s
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I didn't think that the Intel Celeron M CPU was that small..but it's clearly connected to the mobo through a small socket with a screw-type latch that says 'On' and 'Off'.
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