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Should Jr. Take Ballet Classes?  
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

This is a serious question.

Let me give you some background from a proud Papa. Jr. is almost 4 and I took him to his preschool. Apparently, there are at least two girls who follow him around and he prefers to play with girls. As an aside, he only plays with boy related toys, loves trains and airplanes. So the teacher is saying basically that he is a ladies man! Sniffle from a proud father...He even calls some of them 'cute girls'.

OK, so the girl is in ballet, and I was thinking that if he wants to and I put him in ballet classes, he is going to be hanging out with a bunch of girls, he might be the only boy they will get to meet, he gets to handle them in a good way, have confidence in being around girls, and to top it off, develop muscles.

What are your opinions?

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User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
he might be the only boy they will get to meet, he gets to handle them in a good way, have confidence in being around girls, and to top it off, develop muscles.



Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
What are your opinions?

Sounds like paradise! Big grin  Wink


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2585 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
What are your opinions?

Sure, if you want to subject him to a life time of ridicule in school when he tells his classmates that he took ballet.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2585 times:

Ask him. Seriously, see whether he wants to do it or not, give him the choice.

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9496 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2575 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Thread starter):
What are your opinions?

It's a suggestion. He might get "ridiculed" for it later down the road, but in the end, it might be something rewarding. Plus ya never know...there could be hidden talent there that you had no idea about.

My first inclination is this -- see if dancing interests him in the slightest. If I were you I'd go out and buy the following DVD's/Video's --


Cats

Fosse

Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat starring Donny Osmond

The Nutcracker


These are three very dance, very music oriented stage productions that were recorded for DVD prosperity. If they hold his attention, especially Fosse or Cats, then I would say go for it. Also, why don't you encourage Juniorette to show Junior some of the moves and see how he takes to them.



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2568 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 2):
Sure, if you want to subject him to a life time of ridicule in school when he tells his classmates that he took ballet.

Well, maybe. What are his classmates gonna tell him?

You hang out with a bunch of girls!
You get to touch girls!
What do you need those muscles for? (Show me a guy ballet dancer who doesnt look buffed, STLgph, what do you say about that?)

Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):

It's a suggestion. He might get "ridiculed" for it later down the road, but in the end, it might be something rewarding. Plus ya never know...there could be hidden talent there that you had no idea about.

You are right. Plus, I have never met a woman who complains that her man dances too well.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
The Nutcracker

We will both be wearing our tuxedos for our yearly Nutcracker show, and he sat awake thru his first Nutcracker at 11 months old.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 5):
Well, maybe. What are his classmates gonna tell him?

You hang out with a bunch of girls!
You get to touch girls!
What do you need those muscles for? (Show me a guy ballet dancer who doesnt look buffed, STLgph, what do you say about that?)

You are applying logic to the mind of elementary school kids. Everything you say is true and I still guarantee you that he'll be made fun of.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 6):

You are applying logic to the mind of elementary school kids

I know, but I first proposed this idea to a 12 year old. He laughed at me first, till I explained it a little better, and suddenly he got all quiet.


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2553 times:

How about, no Scott?


One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2546 times:

From a Latino to another: Consider the ethnic background my friend!

En otras palabras, ¿no crees que la idiosincracia tan machista o de plano homófoba del latino pudiera causarle conflictos despues?

I'm not justifying it, just pointing a fact.

Good luck!


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2534 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 9):
Consider the ethnic background my friend!

Considered and somewhat dismissed. The hispanic women we know, including my wife (from MEX), say go for it if he wants to. As for what the males might say, well, whatever.

To repeat and clarify some more. There is a long history from my mother's side of the males being interested in women from an early age, including the occassional 'let me put my hand in your rear, breast, etc.'

I am only suggesting this since he has long shown interest in women. But his really, really favorite thing in the world right now are train and train crashes.


User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5178 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2528 times:

Sounds dangerous to me...... something kinda ooooh, might try and jump up his tutu!


That'll teach you
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2520 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 7):
I know, but I first proposed this idea to a 12 year old. He laughed at me first, till I explained it a little better, and suddenly he got all quiet.

But it's not him that you got to convince. It's the classmates.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2520 times:

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 11):
something kinda ooooh, might try and jump up his tutu!

Well, what would be wrong if the girls wanted to do that?


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2505 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 12):
But it's not him that you got to convince. It's the classmates.

I dont have to convince many. From my understanding of kids, now that I am a parent, he is going to meet two types of boys: 1) those who understand that 'girls are not the enemy' 2) those who dont and will understand that in a few years.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2505 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 14):
I dont have to convince many. From my understanding of kids, now that I am a parent, he is going to meet two types of boys: 1) those who understand that 'girls are not the enemy' 2) those who dont and will understand that in a few years.

Dude if you've made up your mind, why did you post the thread? You ask a question, get answers and then try to argue with people giving you an "opinion."


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2497 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 6):
You are applying logic to the mind of elementary school kids. Everything you say is true and I still guarantee you that he'll be made fun of.

And if its not ballet, it'll be because he wore the wrong style of sneakers, or his dad drives a red car vs. a blue one, or because he likes the wrong cartoon. Kids are kids and they're going to tease each other unmercifully. The key is to teach the kid some self-confidence early so that it just doesn't matter. Its amazing how quickly the teasing stops when the ones doing it realize it doesn't get a rise out of their target.

I second STL's ideas. Ask him, show him some modern dance, and if he likes it, give it a shot. Dexterity, coordination, strength, self confidence are all part of what he'd learn.



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2490 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 15):
Dude if you've made up your mind, why did you post the thread? You ask a question, get answers and then try to argue with people giving you an "opinion."

I a sorry if I sounded argumentative in a sense. You have certainly given me decent input, because I was asking the question to see if there is anything that I missed in my thinking. Your arguments were valid, otherwise I would not have responded to them. But ultimately, it will be his decision. The only thing I would say to him is that the opinion of his future classmates need not influence him too much.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2486 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 16):
And if its not ballet, it'll be because he wore the wrong style of sneakers, or his dad drives a red car vs. a blue one, or because he likes the wrong cartoon. Kids are kids and they're going to tease each other unmercifully. The key is to teach the kid some self-confidence early so that it just doesn't matter. Its amazing how quickly the teasing stops when the ones doing it realize it doesn't get a rise out of their target.

Thank you for a very revealing post. I had almost forgotten about that. To say the least, we are already dealing, not with bullying, but with my daughter caring too much about what her classmates think of her.


User currently offlineYWG From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 1147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2473 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 2):
Sure, if you want to subject him to a life time of ridicule in school when he tells his classmates that he took ballet.



Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
He might get "ridiculed" for it later down the road,

This will undoubtedly haunt him for the majority of his adolescent life, and that is a guarantee.

In my opinion, just let him hang out with the girls, there's nothing wrong with that. The majority of my friends around that age were girls and it made for more confidence in junior high and high school.

Cheers,
YWG



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21796 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

If you're going to send him to dance classes, it'll be to develop muscules only, not so that he can hang around with girls. He's four.

But, with that said, go for it. Dance is great exercise, and if he's at an age when he can learn something very easily, especially if he's interested in it.

And if he gets really good at it later on, then the girls will come.  Smile

-Mir



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User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 2):
Sure, if you want to subject him to a life time of ridicule in school when he tells his classmates that he took ballet.

So, if you're interested in something you shouldn't do it because of what classmates may do? OK...there's logic for you...I wanted to do something that would give me pleasure, keep me fit, teach me discipline but I didn't do it because my classmates would tease me.....umm,no.

I say go for it. If this is something that he may enjoy, let him do it. My daughter has been dancing for close to 16 years, starting from age 5 with ballet. It taught her discipline, coordination, balance, and a healthy respect for her body. On top of that, performing on stage gave her a lot of confidence. She had quite a few boys in her dance classes (ballet, jazz, tap,hip-hop and modern) and whenever anyone tried to tease them, their standard answer was "where else do you get to hang around with half-dressed girls at our age, and where are YOUR muscles?"



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
If you're going to send him to dance classes, it'll be to develop muscules only, not so that he can hang around with girls. He's four.

Ballet requires plenty of practice, so if this is the path to follow he would start a little earlier. Now, if we are talking about other type of dancing (Latin beats), that can certainly wait.

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
But, with that said, go for it. Dance is great exercise, and if he's at an age when he can learn something very easily, especially if he's interested in it.

We'll see were it goes. So far right now it seems that their cultural tastes are quite varied. There are certain classical music pieces that both enjoy, Latin music as well, and throw in some rock as well. Daughter already knows about Hendrix and Beethoven.

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
And if he gets really good at it later on, then the girls will come.

But the girls are already coming to him!!!  biggrin  I am trying to make certain that he develops well enough to have them still come to him when he gets older.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 21):
and whenever anyone tried to tease them, their standard answer was "where else do you get to hang around with half-dressed girls at our age, and where are YOUR muscles?"

Exactly my thinking! Did those comments shut the other boys up?


User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 23):
Did those comments shut the other boys up?

Sure did, especially after they a) saw the girls anad b) saw the muscles!!



'Somebody tell me why I'm on my own if there's a soulmate for everyone' :Natasha Bedingfield
25 STLGph : well kids are kids. they'll make fun of you for anything. whether it be ballet, for having a lazy eye, or for having a whore of a mother. even if you
26 NeilYYZ : I'm impressed, I've been about 7 times and never made it through one conscious. If he can sit through the Nutcracker at 11 months old, go for it, tos
27 AndesSMF : Personally, neither did I, till I started to play the piano. Since then, my music appreciation has gone wayyyyy up. What about being a whore of a g*y
28 STLGph : put those dancing talents to use. duh.
29 Texan : It can help a lot with balance and agility from what I've been told. If he wants to do it, more power to him! If he later wants to get into sports, ba
30 AerospaceFan : I think there are probably other ways for him to meet girls and develop confidence. That's just my reaction.
31 STLGph : So basically you're against it because "it's just not the ideal male thing to do." That's pretty much prejudice and arrogance which is rather funny c
32 AerospaceFan : I think that there is a male principle and a female principle -- a yin and yang, as it were. And yes, each is "pregnant" with the beginnings of the o
33 AndesSMF : He has plenty of other ways to meet females and the confidence building part starts at home. But IMHO, ballet has a higher chance of good looking gir
34 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Andes, as his proud papa, you're the best person to make the decision, and whatever you decide, I think you'll make the right one.  [Edited 2006-10-
35 Post contains images AndesSMF : Believe me, when his preschool teachers tell you about his incipient 'ladies man' state, it brings tears of joy.
36 Post contains images AerospaceFan : That's great! Sounds like he's a chip off the ol' block.
37 AndesSMF : Well, not quite. I did mostly hang out with women. But my father had less experience with women than I did and I received no good pointers. My desire
38 STLGph : It is nice that you took the time to plagiarize a text book or a term paper to try to formulate some type of a response, which still comes across as
39 Post contains links and images LOT767-300ER : Cant you just buy him: And invite those girls over with their mommies. P.S. Dude I dont think you should do it. This is worse than banning dodgeball i
40 STLGph : why? because you think he'll get made fun of? did you ever get made fun of as a kid? and the ignorance continues.
41 AerospaceFan : I will personally come to your house and vacuum your the floors of your house, STLGph -- with a Dustbuster -- if you prove your accusations of plagia
42 STLGph : You ramble here quite often enough in a writing style that is far different than anything you post when you try to be "intellectual." Add to that the
43 Aeroflot777 : I grew up around ballet, it's basically a very very big part of my life because my dad is a famous ballet dancer. I traveled with him, went on tours,
44 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Oh, please. And at every opportunity, I should show that I've been exposed to Lyotard's postmodernism, let alone Russell's atheism? How many opportun
45 STLGph : Toss as many names out there as you want to, but at least be able to show that you have some understanding of the subject material. It's nice to use A
46 Post contains images 9V : I've developed a new philosophy... I only dread one day at a time.
47 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Dude you're Russian...thats wrong as it is Do you really want your son to end up on the ARTS channel. BTW, Spartak lost again. Awful 1st minute goal
48 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Right, and you drop Bentham's name in this conversation as if you've failed to read and understand Mill. You do understand that act-utilitarianism is
49 Mt99 : Hey! So did I and i turned up gay..
50 Saxdiva : 'Scuze me for going back to the topic, but AndesSMF--if you can, get a copy of the movie "Billy Elliott." It covers this exact topic, and you'd probab
51 AndesSMF : Well, that's a whole other subject, but whatever he turns out to be,he will always be my son. Thanks for the info.
52 Pipo777 : I don't know but I would never put my son, when I have one, in Ballet classes...might be good for muscle and hanging around girls, but as someone ment
53 Kmh1956 : Don't forget dedication. Dancers are some of the most dedicated people I've ever met. My daughter has many male dancer friends, both gay and straight
54 RAPCON : From a fellow Hispanic (no, I'm not "Latino" or whatever that is): 1. Stop it. Don't do it. Don't forget that the playground is the most dangerous pla
55 Post contains images AndesSMF : Yeah! We should tease those damn tights wearing football players! Again, I'll plant that idea on him as he gets older and his reasoning power comes u
56 STLGph : then there's your flippin answer right there.
57 STLGph : Are you trying to say that in uilitarianism...telling boys they can't do ballet is the best for the population, just because it defends your pre conc
58 Post contains links AerospaceFan : I thinik you're making a mishmash of my position. I said as follows: I was making a very general point that there is a similarity between Eastern phi
59 STLGph : So you're trying to compare a 4 year old boy who might be taking ballet lessons as to having the life of a slave? You think he's being forced into bec
60 AerospaceFan : Way to pervert my words, STLGph. As any reasonable reader will see, I've merely questioned your position that Aristotelianism stood for freedom. I ag
61 Frontiercpt : Hey, I've been dancing for about 4 years now, and am going to a performing arts magnet school with a concentration in dance (tap, jazz, ballet, modern
62 Kaddyuk : I'm surprised you made it through school with an attitude like that. If you get scared of ridicule, when it happens you lack the social skills to han
63 STLGph : You keep rambling on and on and on and on. And about what? You keep cherry picking bits and pieces of whatever rock god philosopher you can come up w
64 AerospaceFan : But you were the one that associated Aristotelianism with freedom, ST. I was merely pointing out that such association isn't necessarily as you seem
65 STLGph : I never mentioned anything about Aristotle and concepts of freedom. The veil of ignorance discusses exactly what I mentioned above. Try again.
66 Post contains links AerospaceFan : Well, then, what did you mean by the following? ___________________________ I disagree, and I don't think I'm alone. Take a look, for example, at the
67 STLGph : You are still floating in space trying to find something. But that's ok, the more you keep scraping for something, the more you might actually learn.
68 STLGph : *original position OF prejudism that should say. and please, explain it to AndesSMF. i'm sure he'd love to know how his kid is living in a world of sl
69 AerospaceFan : That's great, ST -- I'm glad you like philosophy. I think that philosophy is interesting and sometimes even productive. But if you read what the Webs
70 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Happily, but only if you can prove that I said that he was.
71 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : You forgot to add that you're gay also.
72 AndesSMF : Believe me guys when I tell you that Jr., at a very early age, knows that girls are not the enemy. There have been many things you can get him to do w
73 Post contains images Confuscius : What are your opinions? Ballet? How 'bout Knitting lessons instead.
74 Post contains links and images Aeroflot777 : Most of you really have to grow up. There is NOTHING wrong with males in Ballet. A few pictures of my dad: There would be no ballet without men! Aerof
75 STLGph : My final response to you on this -- I really am glad you think you're wonderful and keep going and going into some sort of position using what little
76 LOT767-300ER : Problem? No. Foreseable: Yes.
77 AndesSMF : What, the fact that he asked specifically to go to ballet today?? Listen, whether being in ballet will cause him masculinity problems in the future i
78 AerospaceFan : That's a nice statement, but you've completely ignored how your statements concerning the specifics of each philosophy have been refuted. One thing y
79 AerospaceFan : (Correction) Phrase as corrected.
80 Frontiercpt : Ya but I get away with squeezing girls asses and using their chest as a pillow after a long day too, so it's all good. When other guys(straight ones)
81 LOT767-300ER : No, I dont question it. You can slap a girls ass and use their chest as pillows when youre straight also man, i used to do that crap in HS on a daily
82 Post contains links and images Carmenlu15 : Andes, let me offer another Latin American point of view. If you let your son take ballet classes, he'll likely be the subject of mockery from other k
83 Post contains images Texan : Plus, by starting a physical activity where certain parts of the body, especially the legs, are given a pretty thorough workout, he'll probably be ab
84 AndesSMF : As I said, show me a male ballet dancer that isnt muscular. By the time he gets into high school, he's probably going to be muscular and big (I am 6'
85 Post contains images KLM685 : I totally agree, when I first took Irish Dancing Class most of my schoolmates laughed at it so hard that I thought about the option of getting out of
86 STLGph : there's also a certain point in time when one must learns to pick and choose their battles. these might be faults to you and you probably have things
87 KLM685 : I agree with you STLGph, people just think that the rest should be as one. Machismo culture is still all around. One thing is being masculine which i
88 AndesSMF : I think it is better said this way: I have enough confidence in myself and my masculinity that there is nothing in the world that makes me doubt it,
89 Monteycarlos : That is such a ridiculous statement to make. He is FOUR! He is supposed to hate girls at that age. He should be afraid of catching 'girl germs' and '
90 Andessmf : Funny, family tradition is that the boys like girls from a very early age. I stated it above that he would be my son no matter what. I stand by that
91 KLM685 : Yeah, kinda what I wanted to say and stuff... Which is precisely what's good, men being confident about their masculinity, etc... I agree with you 10
92 AerospaceFan : Oh, please. Andes' comments do not strike me as that at all. I think that his posting record speaks for itself. He appears to me to be fair-minded an
93 AndesSMF : Look, as an aside to any parent who would dare disown their kids. My mother had been a difficult person for many years. My sisters and I had not reall
94 AerospaceFan : Exactly. I couldn't care less if a son of mine turned out to be freakin' Liberace. He'd still be my son. And I would be his dad. How stupid it would
95 Monteycarlos : Then thats my point exactly. If he wants to do Ballet because he wants to then let him do it. Why do you feel the need to ask an internet forum if yo
96 AndesSMF : Because I wanted to verify if my thinking had been correct and if there was something that I had missed. I think the thread speaks for itself. There
97 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Probably true. Football. Some here have mentioned it. Your boy needs to learn how to interact with other guys his age, and from early-on. If your son
98 AndesSMF : This is exactly the type of ideas I was thinking of obtaining here. Thank you! As an aside, I am terrible in sports, and I dont know how his sporting
99 Emirates773ER : Then you as a father figure should sit down with ur son and tell him how the boyfriend and girlfriend things work at his age. A child who is just fou
100 AndesSMF : OK, he's worrying, but he certainly likes their attention.
101 Post contains images VonRichtofen : I knew a guy in high school who was in ballet. People kind of bagged on him a bit about it, but they stopped when he always seemed to have hot girlfr
102 Monteycarlos : Nothing wrong with cultural stuff, and you should feel rewarded as a parent that they can appreciate that at such a young age. Yet still I feel you a
103 AndesSMF : That was not my intention. Funny as it may be, there are many boys who will not see that women 'are not the enemy' till they hit the teenage years. T
104 Cedars747 : Why not !.....ballet may include dance, mime, acting, and music.I have seen many boys in my school in Buenos Aires taking ballet classes and many of
105 Monteycarlos : Then I suggest you start by doing that now, since he is such a young stallion with women hanging off his arms. Congratulations. You have created the
106 AndesSMF : I bet you my Jr. can easily beat your son in the troublemaker department. We should share stories. Neither am I going to worry about your responses.
107 Monteycarlos : Why? Because they aren't the ones you want to hear? How mature of you.
108 Post contains links and images Confuscius : Rahm Emanuel, The DCCC chairman and the architect of the Democratic takeover of the House of Representative was a ballet dancer. Check out his bio: "T
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