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New Orleans - The Violence Continues  
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

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A gunman wounded five people in a French Quarter bar early Tuesday, the latest violence in a city struggling to rein in crime as it recovers from Hurricane Katrina.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/31/D8L3OQJO0.html

Why are we spending a dime on this city? We should evacuate everyone and let it sink into the marshes from which it emerged.

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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3689 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2520 times:
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Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
Why are we spending a dime on this city? We should evacuate everyone and let it sink into the marshes from which it emerged

Well maybe Nola wants to reclaim its crown of Americas Most Violent City back from St. Louis. I agree with you. People called me a bastard when I voiced my hope for another hurricane to come this year and wipe that hell hole off the map and wash all of the debris out to sea that way we would have to pay for more cleanup costs. New Orleans should not be rebuilt. Or if we do rebuild it, call in the Dutch and have them design the levy system. Flame me, i can take it.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 1):
I voiced my hope for another hurricane to come this year and wipe that hell hole off the map and wash all of the debris out to sea that way we would have to pay for more cleanup costs. New Orleans should not be rebuilt. Or if we do rebuild it, call in the Dutch and have them design the levy system. Flame me, i can take it.

Yeah.. you are a bastard. What a retarded thing to say. Im sure MSYtristar and Tom In No would have something to say about your stupidity. Furthermore, im sure these folks would have something to say as well: MSY New Year's Meetup! (by Texan Oct 6 2006 in Non Aviation)



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):
Furthermore, im sure these folks would have something to say as well: MSY New Year's Meetup! (by Texan Oct 6 2006 in Non Aviation)

Why would anyone want to go to a city that has a murder rate that is 10x the national average to spend New Years? If they have something to say, they can either say it here or come visit me in Gainesville where (bar the occassional mass murderer) it's safe.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

I fully agree with the first two posters and I said it after the post-Katrina outcry ("George Bush hates black people!"). New Orleans was fully romanticized into a charming, peaceful melting pot when in fact it was crime-riddled, corrupt, and a welfare-case in the truest sense of the word. Yeah, lets rebuild the Lower Ninth Ward, great idea. Lets allow the crime-riddled ghettos to come back. If I was in charge of rebuilding New Orleans, I would've said "F that," and proceeded to bid contracts for luxury home subdivisions and golf courses. I would want the commercial services to build up and make NO a desireable place to live. I would never want the ghetto to come back. In my mind, they would be Texas, Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippi's problem.


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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

I'm going to sit back and get some popcorn for this one.

Quoting Pope (Reply 3):
come visit me in Gainesville where (bar the occassional mass murderer) it's safe.

Ah the good old days, getting fitshaced at the Copper Monkey and the Purple Porpoise. Good times, easy sorority girls, and plenty of booze.



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User currently offlineMSPGUY From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

Why would we want it to get wiped out? Let the low life crime breakers stay in that city. I for one don't want them in my city. Look what happened to Houston and the other cities!!!!!!!


If it ain't broke, DON'T touch it!!!!
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 5):
Purple Porpoise

The Porpoise is now gone and I'm hearing rumors that the Swamp is going to be torn down for condo's.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 4):
In my mind, they would be Texas, Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippi's problem.

Yeah, it kinda has become our problem here in Texas. Thankfully, we aren't shy about disposing of criminals here.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 8):

Well, we don't have as many in Dallas as in Houston. Truthfully, I could care less about what happens to Houston  Wink



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

All of you people who think that NOLA should not be rebuilt DO NOT HAVE A FREAKING CLUE.

Guess what? It doesn't really matter what the naysayers think. It really doesn't. The city is coming back,slowly but surely, and the best part of it all, the tax dollars of all the people who loathe New Orleans will be going to its rebuilding. I am having a nice laugh at that. If ya'll don't like the cold hard truth, move to North Korea, you guys would not be missed.

Have a great day, I know I sure am in the glorious, violent-filled, run down City of New Orleans.

Let California fall into the ocean while we're at it. And let Houston get hit by a Cat 5 hurricane...as well as Miami. And let's not rebuild those places. They suck anyway.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

And leave it to Pope to post a topic talking about the violence in New Orleans. I would expect nothing less. As soon as the media posts something negative about the city, he's on it like a duck on a junebug. Some things never change. Pope, do you have anything else better to do? Worry about Gainesville and if the Gators will choke down the stretch. Don't worry about us. Your monetary contributions to our rebuilding are greatly appreciated. The folks in the lower 9 wanted me to pass that on to you.


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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
And leave it to Pope to post a topic talking about the violence in New Orleans.

Why is every other topic in the world open for debate except any criticism of NOLA?

Is the story false? Is it misleading in any way? If not why shouldn't the issue be debated?


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 48
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

New York was very violent in the '80s. Maybe it should have been wiped off the map.

LA was very violent in the early '90s. Bye Bye.

Hundreds of thousands of decent people, almost as decent as you, Pope, make their homes in and around the New Orleans area too.



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User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3305 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2404 times:
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Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
Your monetary contributions to our rebuilding are greatly appreciated. The folks in the lower 9 wanted me to pass that on to you.

I'm sure the lower 9th would be ecstatic to know that we are coming down for 6 days and rebuilding MSY!

Leo



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User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 14):
I'm sure the lower 9th would be ecstatic to know that we are coming down for 6 days and rebuilding MSY!

Only if the rebuilding includes new free houses, free furnishings, and pretty much free life, paid for by everyone else.  Wink



And to MSYTristar:

Almost everyday I come on here and see some rediculous detail about New Orleans from you as well... Omg a pawn shop just opened at 123 Fake St.?? Wow! The city's really coming back now!! Don't be a hypocrite.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 15):
Almost everyday I come on here and see some rediculous detail about New Orleans from you as well... Omg a pawn shop just opened at 123 Fake St.?? Wow! The city's really coming back now!! Don't be a hypocrite.

Don't worry, i'll continue to post ridiculous details about New Orleans for your enjoyment, you can count on that.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

One might argue, on environmental grounds that before rebuilding New Orleans we should allow the Mississippi River to find its new mouth which is long overdue. This will probably be via the Atchafalaya River. After that settles down, let New Orleans shrink or grow based on its actual usefulness to the United States and the world and not as a tax-supported theme park which is where it seems to be headed.


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User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):
Yeah.. you are a bastard. What a retarded thing to say. Im sure MSYtristar and Tom In No would have something to say about your stupidity. Furthermore, im sure these folks would have something to say as well: MSY New Year's Meetup! (by Texan Oct 6 2006 in Non Aviation)

 checkmark  exactly. Well said Justin.

Quoting Pope (Reply 3):
Why would anyone want to go to a city that has a murder rate that is 10x the national average to spend New Years?

Hmm......maybe to help out our fellow brothers and sisters in NOLA who've lost everything? So the majority of law abiding citizens who lost their homes don't deserve help because there is a high murder rate in their city? Good logic there.

Let's look at New Orleans' and what is in that great city for you people who want to wipe it (an American city btw) off the map.

http://www.frenchquarter.com/

Some attractions:
http://www.neworleansonline.com/newo...leans/attractions/attractions.html

Faubourg Tremé........America's Oldest Black Neighborhood
http://www.neworleansonline.com/neworleans/history/treme.html

The Jazz Funeral
http://www.neworleansonline.com/neworleans/history/jazzfuneral.html

Diverse history and culture of New Orleans
http://www.neworleansonline.com/neworleans/history/people.html

history museums:
The National World War II Museum
The Presbytere
Louisiana Museum of African American History
American Italian Museum
Amistad Research Center
Tulane's Special Collections
The 1850 House
The Cabildo
Old U.S. Mint
Tulane Museum of Natural History
Preservation Resource Center
Jean Lafitte National Historical Park and Preserve
Jackson Barracks
The New Orleans Jazz National Historical Park
New Orleans Pharmacy Museum
Fire Department Museum
Historic New Orleans Collection
Fort Pike

Please read:
http://www.madere.com/history.html

I could go on and on. To prove how easy this info was to obtain, these are from a simple Google search. The information about New Orleans is out there. You just have to open your mind and see how much New Orleans means to America and its history.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 17):
After that settles down, let New Orleans shrink or grow based on its actual usefulness to the United States and the world and not as a tax-supported theme park which is where it seems to be headed.

True. But for New Orleans to succeed, it needs to have proper support from all Americans.

Dave



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9392 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2329 times:
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Quoting Pope (Reply 3):
If they have something to say, they can either say it here or come visit me in Gainesville where (bar the occassional mass murderer) it's safe.

Better yet, we'll just send all the criminals from NOLA to Gainesville. Then, you can tell them all exactly why their home shouldn't be rebuilt. And you'll see a rise in Gainesville's crime too! How exciting....



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 19):
Better yet, we'll just send all the criminals from NOLA to Gainesville. Then, you can tell them all exactly why their home shouldn't be rebuilt. And you'll see a rise in Gainesville's crime too! How exciting....

Our county and city commissions seem to be on the same page with you. They do everything possible to encourage criminals to settle in our town. Thank god we have a great police and sheriff's department.

But the issue isn't Gainesville, it's NOLA with its 10x the national average murder rate. Are the police incompetent? What's the mayor doing?

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 18):
Hmm......maybe to help out our fellow brothers and sisters in NOLA who've lost everything? So the majority of law abiding citizens who lost their homes don't deserve help because there is a high murder rate in their city? Good logic there.

So under your logic the only way to help these people is to go there? Nice try but that makes no sense. I'll be happy to compare the amounts of money I've personally donated to the Katrina relief efforts against anyone on this forum, to say nothing about what I've gotten my company to contribute. I'm pretty sure that there aren't too many of you bleeding hearts that could hold a candle to what I've done in this regard. But my problem isn't helping people, it's spending larger and larger sums on rebuilding a city that is a literal cestpool.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6411 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 20):
it's spending larger and larger sums on rebuilding a city that is a literal cestpool.

That's the problem right there. You have a flawed perception of what the city is. It is not a "literal cestpool". Parts of it were after Katrina. Not anymore.

Quoting Pope (Reply 20):
But the issue isn't Gainesville, it's NOLA with its 10x the national average murder rate. Are the police incompetent? What's the mayor doing

From my standpoint, crime is not a deterring factor in my decision to live in the city, work in the city, or have fun in the city. I'm not going to be paranoid about something that has been going on here for decades, and that I really have no control over. I don't know what the problem is in regards to crime, but I do know that it is a huge problem in many cities. New Orleans is just always in the spotlight since the stupid hurricane hit, so of course the media will jump all over any chance to portray the city as violence plagued.

The shootings in the French Quarter have been random. Unfortunate, but random. Most people here understand this. From someone living outside of the city, I'm sure it is perceived much differently, and that's unfortunate.

The mayor generally acts like a moron (I didn't vote for him, but majority rules, so I'm willing to accept that), and the poilce force is still down several hundred people from what they had before the storm. It is a work in progress. This place is sturggling to get on its feet. But good things are happening, and it seems like I am the only one willing to talk about those things here.

I've seen enough drama and negativity here in the past 14 months to last a lifetime...I choose to look on the bright side and hope for a better furture....and like I've said dozens of time, I plan on staying here until I can no longer, and I find it insulting to have someone tell me that New Oreans should not be saved and that everypne living there should get out. That's not the way it works in America.

I'm proud to be a New Orleanian.



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 21):
I'm proud to be a New Orleanian.

Fantastic. If you love the city then by all means be proud of it.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 21):
and I find it insulting to have someone tell me that New Oreans should not be saved and that everypne living there should get out.

I find it insulting that my hard earned tax dollars are spent on what appears to be a bottomless pit. The difference is that what I say doesn't affect you financially at all. What you advocate impacts my pocketbook.

NOLA is at or below sea level. Science tells us that it is sinking. Statistics tell us that a Katrina or stronger storm will hit NOLA's again. Therefore, all we are doing is spending billions of dollars to repair something that is simply going to be destroyed once again.

Let's do the math. At last count I read that NOLA's has a population of about 180,000. Given that the government is looking at spending $150B, could a lot more be done by giving each of those 180,000 $250,000 in tax-free relocation grants (far more money than the majority of NOLA's residents would ever accumulate in their lifetimes or what most have lost in terms of tangible assets) and have the government save the remaining $105B?

Mother nature has dictated NOLA's fate, we shouldn't try to fight it.

If people like you want to stay in NOLA's that's your right, but please don't ask me to pay for it - nor tell me I can't complain when I see money poured down the drain.


User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3305 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2254 times:
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Quoting Pope (Reply 22):
I find it insulting that my hard earned tax dollars are spent on what appears to be a bottomless pit. The difference is that what I say doesn't affect you financially at all. What you advocate impacts my pocketbook.

your hard earned tax dollars are going towards a war thats not needed aka Iraq. so stfu and come join us on January 1st to January 7th and rebuild NO with us.

Leo



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 23):
your hard earned tax dollars are going towards a war thats not needed aka Iraq. so stfu and come join us on January 1st to January 7th and rebuild NO with us.

Brilliant argument. Any response that includes "STFU" demonstrates the tremendous rhetorical skill of the author. So what does a Service Writer do?


25 Lfutia : Don't worry about my job. I have a good job and gets paid good money per hour. I have the ability to be able to take a week out of working and going d
26 MSYtristar : I'm not asking you to pay for it, but it's happening, with or without your support. And no, you shouldn't complain, since your money is not being spe
27 DavestanKSAN : Let me get this straight......you and your company have donated a large sum (from the way you portray it) to help people in the Katrina relief effort
28 Post contains links Halls120 : Unless there is a cataclysmic change in the nature of the Mississippi River, all our efforts to protect/save New Orleans will eventually be wasted. I
29 MSYtristar : Who knows what will happen 100/200 years down the road? I can't predict the future. I've read reports on both sides...some saying New Orleans is doom
30 N1120A : The word is levee (a levy is a charge, usually used in the context of a tax). The Dutch and the English should design the thing, but that is up to th
31 Pope : I divided my personal giving between the American Red Cross and Catholic Charities. I doubt either one paid for the rebuilding of the Superdome. My c
32 N1120A : That is bull and you know it. You have shown time and time again your deep seeded issues with the city. You have nothing nice to say other than feign
33 Post contains links Halls120 : The city "I have claimed to live in?' Listen, pal, don't accuse me of making false statements unless you have the goods to back it up. I was statione
34 Pope : You can look at the world through rose colored glasses if you like but even before Katrina, NOLA was a hole - albeit a hole with great food, good dri
35 MSYtristar : That is a typical percetion of the city, but it is not entirely true. There were just as many decent blue collar neighborhoods in the city as there w
36 Beefstew25 : You can rebuild NOLA all you want. Just don't use my money. That is why people buy insurance.
37 SlamClick : Absolutely backwards. It is the natural course of things for flatland river deltas to silt up one mouth because of decreasing speed of the flow allow
38 N1120A : I wasn't. I didn't say you were lying, I just said that you made the claim. Incorrect? I was using the article YOU posted. Are you going to say that
39 Halls120 : Your clear insinuation was that I only claim to have lived in New Orleans, not that I have. No, I'm going to say that you obviously didn't read the m
40 Beefstew25 : Reverse that. All of Florida is nice except Miami.
41 Pope : I think the vast majority of Floridians would argue exactly the opposite. Miami is the hole and (most - but not all) of the rest of Florida is where
42 MSYtristar : To be honest, what's nice about Crestview, Chipley, Madison, Lake City, and so on, and so forth?
43 Beefstew25 : Uh, the crime rate is normal in those towns. There are parts of Miami that look like a third world country....
44 Halls120 : Close your eyes in most of Miami and just stand and listen. You'd swear you weren't even in the US.
45 Pope : Lake City and the surrounding areas are beautiful. But that's just a red herring. None of those places have a murder rate that is 10x the national av
46 MSYtristar : Couldn't come up with something more original this time? You are slipping!
47 MSYtristar : Beautiful? Not quite sure i'd call it beautiful. Podunk is more like it. Maybe "generic".
48 Post contains links and images Pope :
49 MSYtristar : Are you sure that last picture isn't the downtown of Brookhaven,MS? It's pretty similar, actually. The river scene looks nice enough...
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