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John Kerry's Latest Brilliant Comments  
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6590 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLuMWiQ6r2o

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Wow, I've never been so happy that The Poodle never became President. What a joke. Not only is he factually wrong, but it's pretty insulting. This might make sense if we had an (unfair) Vietnam-style draft, but it is a volunteer American military in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

To say, in effect, that all military personnel are dumb slackers is another falsehood. All officers must have a four-year degree, nearly 75% of the military has some college coursework under their belt. He's completely missing the fact that the military, through the GI bill, has created a way for people of all socioeconomic levels to pay fully for college. America's military today is one of the most educated in the world. Yep, our troops were slackers in school.

I have no doubt that the far left agrees with Kerry's elitist assessment of the military.


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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

Politics aside, how insulting is this to the men and women who are in the service in Iraq? He should be absolutely ashamed of himself at such a comment? It shows how out of touch John "Herman Munster" Kerry really is; he clearly has no idea how technical and complex some of the operations are, such that they require brain power that apparently he doesn't have.

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6574 times:

Quoting Jcs17 (Thread starter):
"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Wow, I've never been so happy that The Poodle never became President. What a joke.

Nonetheless, you stayed in school, got an education, and you're not in Iraq, are you Jcs17?


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6574 times:

I guess John Kerry thinks that only dumb people go to Iraq.

User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4355 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6563 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):

Nonetheless, you stayed in school, got an education, and you're not in Iraq, are you Jcs17?

Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad....


But bottom line- a stupid thing to say, not even going to try to defend it.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6556 times:

I've got an idea for John Kerry...if he despises the military so much why doesn't he throw away his medals? Oh wait, he already did that. Never mind.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
Nonetheless, you stayed in school, got an education, and you're not in Iraq, are you Jcs17?

What about folks I know who are Naval Academy and West Point graduates who are in Iraq? Are they stupid as well? Think before you open your mouth you ignorant chav.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3688 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6543 times:
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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
Nonetheless, you stayed in school, got an education, and you're not in Iraq, are you Jcs17?

What a stupid comment. By this, you imply that anyone who is in Iraq is an uneducated school dropout. TIP: Engage brain before keyboard, and be grateful for those who VOLUNTEER to fight for YOUR freedom.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 2):
Nonetheless, you stayed in school, got an education, and you're not in Iraq, are you Jcs17?

Uh...

I joined right after highschool, Got sent to the Balkans by President Clinton, and completed my college degree while in the service.

Now, the Balkans sure wasn't Iraq.. but, it was an episode of overseas suckage involving foreigners with ill will. The vast majority of the guys there weren't there because they couldn't hack it brainwise state side.

[Edited 2006-10-31 19:53:12]

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 5):
What about folks I know who are Naval Academy and West Point graduates who are in Iraq? Are they stupid as well? Think before you open your mouth you ignorant chav.

How, exactly, am I an ignorant chav?

I don't care how educated the US military is. But I find it ironic that JCS17 has done exactly the same thing that John Kerry is advocating.


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6531 times:

Well let's choose.

Should we take all the right wing rubber stamp politicians who cheered on Bush as he lost the war in Iraq? I mean you are complicit in the deaths of 103 soldiers this Month alone.( The highest figure in nearly two years) Who are you to criticize the party on the right and moral side of this war issue?

Or you can take Kerry, who made the modest comment that, in general those with less education (ie high school diploma vs college credits), make up the lion's share of the Iraq force? Wow! That's soooo mean. I think I'll go under my bed and cry about those mean democrats...Mommy!


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

Great graphic, AirTran.  Smile From the looks of it, Zell Miller could kick John Kerry's posterior all the way to Iraq, and back.

 Big grin


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6508 times:

I certainly wont apologize for John Kerry one bit. But I will point out that the US military especially the enlisted side, comes mostly from middle-lower class. For many it is the easier way to pay for college, or take the enlistment bonus etc. With the exception of a very few high profile cases such as Pat Tillman do you have folks from the upper class joining up as enlisted men. I am not sure the number of congressmen/senators/high ranking public officials serving but it is disproportionatly low.

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6501 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 12):
With the exception of a very few high profile cases such as Pat Tillman do you have folks from the upper class joining up as enlisted men.

What about West Point graduates, for example? You mean they get to stay away from places Democrats think are quagmires?

By the way, almost all of our recent Presidents have served in the military. Former President Clinton is a notable exception.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 10):
Well let's choose.

Should we take all the right wing rubber stamp politicians who cheered on Bush as he lost the war in Iraq? I mean you are complicit in the deaths of 103 soldiers this Month alone.( The highest figure in nearly two years) Who are you to criticize the party on the right and moral side of this war issue?

Or you can take Kerry, who made the modest comment that, in general those with less education (ie high school diploma vs college credits), make up the lion's share of the Iraq force? Wow! That's soooo mean. I think I'll go under my bed and cry about those mean democrats...Mommy!

You're bringing politics in to it. Take the politics away, and this was a stupid comment from Kerry. I think all that botox is getting to him.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

ASF, watch out on the President and military service thing. Dubya got very lucky with his service stateside and it isn't something Conservatives should put out there too much. Kerry, despite his faults and Band-Aid Purple Hearts did go overseas into the shit.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
How, exactly, am I an ignorant chav?

Well, I'll admit to making an assumption on the Chav part but you are an ignorant Brit.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
I don't care how educated the US military is. But I find it ironic that JCS17 has done exactly the same thing that John Kerry is advocating.

He's calling Kerry out on his comments that are insulting to the GIs. I'm college educated and I'm not in Iraq but then I couldn't serve anyways due to my bad knees (damn football!) and suspect eyesight. That doesn't mean I would have loved to serve the country and the military. I'm pointing out that many of the military members in Iraq are educated so it throws Kerry's point out the window. He shows his true colors once again.



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 13):
What about West Point graduates, for example?

Look where I said enlisted men. I did just look. Last time I looked West Point produced officers. Name one child from the fortune 500 company who is an enlistedmen.


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6481 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 14):
You're bringing politics in to it. Take the politics away, and this was a stupid comment from Kerry

He was addressing a group of California students. The General topic of the speech was urging them to continue with their education.

The thread starter actually brought it up. Which are today's right wing talking points directly from the White House Press office.

Oh, let's all get a case of the vapors!......LOL


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3067 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6472 times:

What a fucking moron. How is it that people with such a high profile, good or bad, a ton of education, and even previous time in the military, can make such a stupid comment? I hope he gets his ass chewed for this one. And whether or not it is true, he has no right to say it. It sure doesn't do anything positive for the boys out there.


Chris



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6473 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 17):
Which are today's right wing talking points directly from the White House Press office.

Let's assume, for the purposes of argument, that that's true. Would that make it less relevant or illuminating of John Kerry's character?


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6465 times:

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 18):
It sure doesn't do anything positive for the boys out there.

Well speaking for myself who at one time was "one of the boys" in the Army.

I'm sure they appreciate a little less concern for their "feelings" and a little more concern about them getting "killed for no reason".

Why don't you ask yourself the hard questions?

Just saying....LOL


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 17):
He was addressing a group of California students. The General topic of the speech was urging them to continue with their education.

I don't care who he was addressing or why he was addressing them or what the frackin' talking points are - it was a dumb, moronic thing to say!!!


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6458 times:

Well, Kerry is a dunce, knowing fully well that the White House and the usual coterie of fat, flabby armchair heroes would twist it. But then Kerry isn't the most astute politico around. He lost the election in 2004, and he may lose it for the Dems again in 2006. But then look on the bright side (and this is for the Dems) - Kerry is out. Forget 2008.

But now in defense of Kerry, and a bitch slap to those who do have the luxury to sit around, praise Bush, think nothing of sending people to die in a war while eating pizza in front of the TV.

When Kerry served in Vietnam, those who couldn't afford college or get waivers because they were in college had to go to Vietnam.

And to a large extent, that's still true. Joining the military for many right out of high school is the only available avenue (and I don't mean West Point, the Naval Academy, ROTC at elite schools, or other military academies). If you did poorly in school, didn't get to go to college because either your grades sucked, your parents sucked or life sucked, enlisting in the military was a good choice. You did your time, got $$$ to pay for school, got the discipline that your parents/school didn't give you. Most of the 18-20 year olds who were out serving in Iraq weren't ROTC alum, or West Point grads. They were kids for whom the military was the only available choice. And most of them know it only too well.

If you cared so much about our brave heroes blah blah blah, you'd go join them in Iraq, JCS17. God knows you're not doing much here.

As for dissing on a Vietnam vets military record (and I couldn't care less what you or the Swift boat dimwits trot out given that your dear darling dauphin GWB was busy screwing bimbos and getting plastered while Kerry was taking a shot in a limb), its time that Kerry (stupid though he may be) gives as good as he gets:

“This is the classic GOP playbook,” Kerry said in a harshly worded statement. “I’m sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did. I’m not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium.”"

AMEN !!!!!

Tony Snow can just shut up.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 20):
I'm sure they appreciate a little less concern for their "feelings" and a little more concern about them getting "killed for no reason".

Well, think about it: If Democrats like Rep. John Murtha have things their way, the U.S. would pull out of Iraq under the guise of "redeployment". The leftists in the Democratic Party basically think that Iraq is a "no-win" situation.

Now, I would disagree that even if the U.S. pulled out, our troops will have died for no reason. They will have died in honorable service regardless of what the U.S. did. But I do believe that if our country pulled out, those troops will not have died so that a victory could actually be achieved, for the simple reason that, if the leftist Democrats have things their way, there would be no victory.

So, if you're so eager to protect the service of our troops, why not support those who favor victory? Why not support those who are most determined to achieve a cause that would reflect the best upon the efforts of those who died?


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 22):
Tony Snow can just shut up

Perhaps Kerry should also learn that lesson. 'It is better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt'.

My doubts about Kerry have been completely removed.

He is a fool.

Hopefully the Democrats will pick someone better for 2008.


25 IFEMaster : Jaysit, that's a bit harsh on JCS17. How do you know that perhaps he doesn't have a pre-existing medical condition that prevents him from enlisting?
26 777236ER : He's also sat at home on his arse 'supporting the troops'...whist doing every little thing Kerry suggests he should do. Complaining about what Kerry
27 KFLLCFII : Was this the "Republican surprise" that Democrats were anticipating?
28 Post contains links AerospaceFan : Here's what Sen. John McCain has reportedly said in reaction to Sen. Kerry's comments: (Excerpt) Source: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm How do
29 777236ER : Well, his hobbies include: Hockey, NY Islanders, Pi Kappa Phi, travelling, drinking beer, and chasing skirt. What pre-existing medical condition coul
30 Bushpilot : I doubt that John Kerry cares. This ultimately is political pandering...on both sides. I doubt really the McCain cares what he said. It was a chance
31 AerospaceFan : Update: MSNBC reports, with skepticism, that John Kerry's campaign now claims that Sen. Kerry was actually referring to President Bush. Sen. Kerry's c
32 Post contains images AndesSMF : I am hearing Kerry on the radio saying this.
33 AerospaceFan : I think that it makes little sense for him to criticize the President on that score anyway, since the President's grades at Yale were actually better
34 JCS17 : I could sign up for the military tommorrow if I wanted to without a problem. I've given it a little bit of thought before and decided against it. I ha
35 IFEMaster : Plenty. I was discharged because of mild epilepsy, yet I played soccer for my university, travel extensively for business and pleasure, had a good ti
36 A332 : That is exactly the position I took when I read the original article that was posted... I never once thought he was speaking about the troops, but sp
37 AerospaceFan : Sen. Kerry, speaking live, is defending his comments and calling upon Sen. McCain to ask Vice President to apologize for telling America that things a
38 ArtieFufkin : Read this very carefully right wingers. This is why you lost the war. You are not serious about winning. You will not ask the nation to sacrifice. Yo
39 777236ER : Well then let's just find out from the man himself whether he can join: Oh wait, he can join up! It does make you a ridiculous hypocrite, however, co
40 AerospaceFan : What war? "Right wingers" lost what war? The election hasn't taken place. Are you saying that only right wingers signed on for the war in Iraq? Clari
41 Vikkyvik : I gotta say, that's exactly what I thought when I first read his statement. However, it's very easy to misconstrue it. And it's often easier to get a
42 AndesSMF : Just when I thought you couldnt say something less logical, you surprise me again. What then, tell us, would you do to WIN the Iraq war?
43 A332 : Well exactly... when you read this piece... "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and do your homework, and you make an
44 Post contains images Falcon84 : Bull cookies, Jcs. You're too busy cheering for blood from well behind the lines. You're an armchair soldier. You don't have the guts to enlist, as i
45 FlyDeltaJets87 : Didn't he chunk someone else's medals that they gave to him to throw so he didn't have to throw his own? I could be wrong about that, but I remember
46 Post contains links AerospaceFan : If he had intended to refer to the President, he should have corrected the error immediately after he said it. And, in any event, it would have been
47 AerospaceFan : John McCain's nephew could very well serve in Iraq, Falcon.
48 Vikkyvik : Hah! In a perfect world, yes. But even the most seasoned speakers trip over themselves every now and then. One doesn't have to look very far to see t
49 AerospaceFan : I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. In any event, if he desired to insult the President, it was an extremely poor choice to do so,
50 AerospaceFan : In a replay, it appears that Sen. Kerry said the White House was attempting to politicize his statement. However, this would be a classic case of proj
51 Falcon84 : So? How about all the other cheerleaders, protecting their kids from war? You give me ONE example. Big deal. And Jcs still wouldn't have the balls to
52 AerospaceFan : How many of FDR's own children did he send to war during World War II?
53 Post contains links and images Jaysit : We have 2 attorneys, Harvard educated, who are serving in Iraq right now having obtained special leave from the firm. They were both West Point gradu
54 Frequentflyer : I am even more disappointed by the folks trying to defend this sorry president whatever it takes than by Bush himself. Don't you guys see that the War
55 AerospaceFan : Then why did he raise it? The speech was about education -- not Iraq. Here, it's not so much defending the President as pointing out that the alterna
56 Post contains images Confuscius : "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service." - Dick Cheney "I could sign up for the military...I have other priorities and other things
57 Frequentflyer : I think there is no clear link between competency to lead in War and political affiliation. That's why you have a bunch of Democrat-voting good Soldi
58 AndesSMF : You think that the war, as it is going right now, is anything else other than the way wars are fought and have been fought? There are plenty of examp
59 AerospaceFan : Excellent point, Andes! Well put.
60 Jaysit : Oh, good heavens, who? Other than anti-semites like Henry Ford and that old fop, Prince Edward VIII, do tell who admired him? Oh, yes, the right wing
61 Frequentflyer : Well anybody knows that. In this case you might add the propaganda trying to paint a rosier picture of the current mess. But with some common sense i
62 DrDeke : As we have discussed many times, that is your OPINION. Fortunately, despite what you might like, we all have the right to freedom of speech even if i
63 STLGph : Too bad a lot of this is true. And too bad he forgot to add "and marry a fat chick." Have you seen some of these military wives today? My god.... So
64 STLGph : And I'll add to the thought why this is true, because I've seen it first hand. When you come from a small town in the middle of nowhere, where the ind
65 FlyDeltaJets87 : I'll agree with the point about being able to criticize the President, especially since these weren't elementary school children They were college st
66 FDXMECH : If it was the easy way to get an education, EVERYONE would be enlisting. No, I strongly disagree, when you enlist, you've EARNED that education. Thes
67 STLGph : but that is totally a subjective viewpoint. to some, going Ivy League and going Magna Cum Laude and going on to head up a business/corporation and en
68 L410Turbolet : Where? In Iraq? Please don't tell me that in late 2006 you still buy into this propaganda.
69 ANCFlyer : Without reading this thread content and commenting only on Kerry's remarks: All I can say is, what an assmonkey. Of course, I'm sure PacificJourney wo
70 FDXMECH : My point was the means to obtain a secondary education, not necessarily what is done with said education.
71 Post contains links Jaysit : Why couldn't he have grown a pair 2 years ago? Why? I’m not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium,
72 SFOMEX : As someone who would never enlist, I utterly respect those serving in the Armed Forces. In fact, a cousin of mine is still in Iraq. Consequently, thes
73 Post contains links and images AndesSMF : Please, go back into your history and find out when the results of the final solution were being advertised. Hint: it wasnt early on in the war. Hint
74 Jaysit : As someone who would never enlist, I suggest you do the same. Kerry has nothing to apologize about. It may have been politically stupid, but its the
75 DavestanKSAN : Oopsie I think you forgot the current POTUS. He has a great military record. School children? These were college students my friend. haha, exactly. A
76 ANCFlyer : PotUS military record Sucks DavestanKSAN . . . that said: I don't think that a mention was made by AerSpacefan as to the QUALITY of the service, only
77 IFEMaster : Don't be shortsighted. ANYONE who signs up is volunteering to fight for the freedom of others, and give their life is necessary. It doesn't matter wh
78 Cairo : Whether or not Kerry meant to say military folks are dumb, can we at least agree that the people serving in Iraq are not from the upper, white, Ivy-L
79 Jaysit : And the great Ronald Reagan. Who mistook acting in military propaganda movies as actually serving in combat. Oddly enough, Reagan and Clinton were al
80 DavestanKSAN : Yes, thats true. Damn you and your logic, haha. But I guess in the context ASF said the comment in, I thought he made it seem like President Bush was
81 Post contains links AerospaceFan : College is not school? But you have a point. Rabble rousing perhaps is more effective at the college level. And what an interesting thing that Sen. K
82 ANCFlyer : And Reagan did more to ADVANCE the military in the last 40 than any other President. Clinton managed to UNDO most of that IN a SHORT 8 years. That ou
83 DavestanKSAN : WTF why can't I edit my post? Sorry for the double post, just saw your reply Jaysit. That's a good point too. I was just thinking the comment would be
84 Post contains images AerospaceFan : College are not known to act in loco parentis for nothing, however. But no matter.
85 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : crap I need to brush up on my Latin..... Dave
86 JpetekYXMD80 : Uh... Yes, college is school. No, the students there are not 'children'. Pretty simple concept, AF, even for you.
87 Jaysit : Tell me what? That Reagan served in the military? That was the issue wasn't it? Service in the military? The Reagan advancement of the military was b
88 GuitrThree : Enough said. ANCFlyer has earned the respect and honor to really tell the truth in this story. HE HAS served his country. HIS opinion on this subject
89 JpetekYXMD80 : I am not backing Kerry at all in this situation, as I think his comments were completely stupid. However, I see a glaring hole in your pile-on Kerry
90 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Blindingly obvious YOU'VE never served in a uniform have you . . . . To hell with Kirkpatrick and the Soviet Union. Lets talk about the ability to fi
91 KSYR : I do. My father for one. Had a 4.0 in HS, a full ride to college anyways, but did ROTC and joined the army. He's been in for arond 23 years now. Scre
92 GuitrThree : He was either doing that or degrading his grades that were WORSE than GWB's, who he was, in his own "explanation," slamming. You tell me. Either way,
93 Dtw9 : Jaysit, Having served in the U.S. Army officer corp, I find your above comments insulting and vile. Give yourself an education and read the requiremen
94 RAPCON : As someone who started in the ranks, and after 5 years was selected to go to college and commissioned through OCS, I have only one thing to say to Cit
95 DrDeke : It's just another example of Aerospacefan being disingenuous. He is smart enough when he wants to be, but it seems, especially lately, that he will p
96 Ftrguy : So by Kerry's thought process, is that why he ended up in Vietnam???
97 AndesSMF : To point out your lack of knowledge, Cairo is an American. And to follow on the logic above to its conclusion. If US policy is to make life better fo
98 Diamond : Kerry is toast. The end.
99 Jaysit : Stuff it. You're either blind or can't read. Go back and read what I said. I said that its hard to be accepted at places like West Point, the Naval A
100 IFEMaster : Then let me refine my original statement. Anyone who volunteers to serve in the military of the western, civilized, democracized world, particularly
101 Diamond : A man who gets 50,000,000 votes in a federal election is not a failed politician. However, after today, he may start to fail.
102 FlyDeltaJets87 : Um, enrolling in ROTC programs is rather simple. I'm a cadet at Embry Riddle, the #1 detachment for Air Force ROTC in the country (and no, I'm not sa
103 IFEMaster : Didn't get elected though, did he? So he didn't succeed. He failed. Still, that's arguing semantics. He shouldn't have said what he said.
104 ANCFlyer : Ya know, when you think about this in the light that perhaps Sen. Kerry really did point his sword at Pres. Bush, in the end, any joke about Iraq - wh
105 Rsmith6621a : Some people cant see the Forest through the tree's.......
106 L-188 : Apparently Kerry is still pissed that he got lower grades at Yale then GW and then had to go to Nam. He should have studied more....
107 Jaysit : Actually, its blindingly obvious that the only people YOU knew in the military, or those YOU chose to fraternize with in the military were those who
108 Flyingbronco05 : Kerry's comments were not about the soldiers. It was an insult on Bush and his administration saying if you're dumb, you won't know how to get soldier
109 L-188 : He may have been able to convince you and himself of that, but that ain't the way it came out.
110 Post contains links AndesSMF : You bought that line?? Not apologize to whom? The call has been for Kerry to apologize to soldiers, not Bush, and if he refuses to do so (whether he
111 ANCFlyer : It's really easy for you to look from the outside in . . . and buy into all that propoganda you posted . . . but I remember idle tanks because we can
112 Andz : I didn't read all the replies but I searched for the phrase used by GWB and didn't find it. "Plenty smart and plenty brave". What awful English. Maybe
113 Rsmith6621a : "This morning my administration released the budget numbers for fiscal 2006. These budget numbers are not just estimates; these are the actual results
114 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Tell me Randy, what do these Bushisms have to do with Sen Kerry's disease? You crack me up . . . it's your new favorite thing isn't it . . . Bushisms
115 CasInterest : Great thread. a 10 second youtube snippet, that is obviously lacking any framing and context and we have a 100+ argument thread. Whether Kerry was ref
116 TedTAce : Ignoring everything said after this: Damn that's effing ignorant. Not only does the sentence structure make Bush look smart, but the remark itself mak
117 STLGph : yes and screw me for *NOT* appealing to the lowest common denominator. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz exactly. exactly. and exactly. thank you.
118 Clipperhawaii : Tony Snow can talk all he wants to. He's the best thing to show up in the White House Press Briefing room since Sarah McClendon got fitted with a muz
119 Clipperhawaii : Well Jaysit, dtw9 smacked you down pretty hard there. OUCH! And all you could come back with was a pair of glasses? Having read what you wrote I'd say
120 Itsjustme : So, in response to a a remark by a United States Senator that questions the intelligence of our military personnel, the Commander In Chief responds wi
121 UALPHLCS : That's beside the point. It was a blatant insult to the troops THERE implying they are stupid. Exactly! AS someoen who works at the Military Academy,
122 RAPCON : If you lost, you failed. You are in dire need of more education and maturity. What unit did you serve with????? Scared of serving, eh? It's ok, we wo
123 UALPHLCS : Nice tactic. Instead of saying Republican's didn't serve, why not DEFEND Kerry's Statement! Kerry was speaking from the heart. We KNOW this is how li
124 Flyingbronco05 : Edit: Removed my comment.[Edited 2006-11-01 16:30:51]
125 STLGph : Ridicule this, ridicule that. I don't call you a coward and you don't call someone a coward that did a heck of a lot more than you. I guess they don'
126 A332 : Actually, it was not at all. Anyone with a clue would have chimed in right away and realized it was a direct stab at Bush, not at US troops. All of t
127 UALPHLCS : Are you smoking something? Go to Youtube and listen to what he SAID. Please A332, point out to me in the above statement WHERE the BUSH administratio
128 DrDeke : Lol; fine, because my lack of knowledge about the nationality of someone I have never met, and whose profile explicitly states that he is "from Egypt
129 Venus6971 : As I am a uneducated hayseed from the midwest part of the U.S. who is also a 23 year veteran of the USAF who did a tour in Iraq I also consider my se
130 Post contains images Turbo7x7 : Wowie, fun to see tempers fly here. Actually, if you spend time to see the WHOLE speech/presentation Kerry made, the statement was clearly meant to po
131 AerospaceFan : Thousands of Americans were killed by mistake during World War II. War is imperfect. If your standard is that the moment that mistakes are made, then
132 Venus6971 : You do not have a clue what most military people think, the only thing military people have in common is their love of country and the uniform they w
133 Cfalk : That's what makes it so bad for Kerry and looks bad for the democrats. You are right - he meant to go after Bush. But he misspoke and what came out c
134 AndesSMF : I didnt twist his words at all. Cairo also said this: "The purpose of US policy is not to honor its dead. It is to make life better for Americans." S
135 Post contains images Turbo7x7 : Ah, that's where you're wrong. He's made it clear as far as he's concerned he has nothing to apologize for which makes sense to me (how can you apolo
136 DrDeke : Once again, Aero purposely misses the point. The point is not that mistakes are made in war. The point is that starting the current Iraq war was a HU
137 Post contains links VSLover : the arguments of those trying to insist that the military is not a last ditch refuge for so many under or poorly educated from lower middle or lower s
138 Post contains links MDorBust : Quite the opposite really, hence the mass cancelation of planned Kerry apperances. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/01/kerry.remarks/index.html
139 DrDeke : Yes, even if he had some points, it was still, clearly, a very stupid thing for him to say. -DrDeke
140 AndesSMF : Did you even see what you admitted. Your nephew didnt get the joke, he read it on the web and then 'got it'. Then what does this say about yourself,
141 Cfalk : No, I am not wrong. Haven't you ever heard the saying, "It's not what you say, it's what people hear."? I am willing to give Kerry the benefit of the
142 VSLover : sigh. yes, he brought it to me after reading the whole issue on the web as opposed to sitting down to the evening news after his play date. again, si
143 FDXMECH : Yeah, I'm a big Tony Snow fan too. Very sharp. Kerry must be a hoot at a party playing "Telephone". Kerry might be the only politician where the audi
144 Post contains images JakeOrion : Well, at least the troops are taking it well: Thats funny!
145 OlegShv : I think Kerry was referring to the least intelligent president ever - the one in the White House right now. He did not mention troops in any kind of f
146 AerospaceFan : Well, the thing with Sen. Kerry is that his words are often a result of projection. He talks about hate speech, for example, but he was the one that
147 UALPHLCS : "They [US soldiers] told stories that at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human
148 FDXMECH : Don't tell me, a Kerry fan.
149 Jimyvr : The truth becomes dumb one when they're spoken at the wrong place and the wrong time.
150 Cfalk : Kerry should be the one to talk. As I recall, Kerry got worse grades at Yale than GW Bush (or was it OTC?). Oh, yeah, right. He was talking about con
151 OlegShv : "Stuck in Iraq" referred to the current administration being "stuck in Iraq". Clearly, they are not the most intelligent people. And you can spin it a
152 AerospaceFan : Which would be a stupid joke, if he meant it that way, since Sen. Kerry himself did worse than the President at Yale, as previously mentioned. Does h
153 ArtieFufkin : Oh God! Check out the VA Senate race. Webb has come from nowhere to lead in this GOP seat. The last four polls: * CNN, 10/29: Webb (D) 50%--46% Allen
154 Post contains links Jaysit : I love this quote from a GOP pollster, whether or not it may bear fruit: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/ On Halloween, John Kerry reappears l
155 QXatFAT : No I dont think its gona help that much, I am perfectly fine with a Democratic House right now but all the Democrats in the House should get replaced
156 ArtieFufkin : A botched joke compared to hundred of inane comments from Bush, tells you what kind of President he would be? Look as I posted on another board. You f
157 UALPHLCS : Yes Artie... GOP plumbers crept into Kerry's brain and MADE him say what he said because we NEED am October surprise. Geez guys Artie is on to us...H
158 Frequentflyer : I agree with you. Shame on defenders of a failed Policy that kills US troops. And as much as Kerry's remark was botched, it also took guts to say it.
159 UALPHLCS : BS it had nothing to do with POLICY. Read or listen to the quote again. I agree it took guts to say it. It took guts for a ANti-War Liberal to finall
160 ArtieFufkin : More trouble for GOPers. Just out today. In the final full month before Election 2006, the number of people identifying themselves as Republicans has
161 UALPHLCS : Keep pumping those NATIONAL numbers Artie. As Tip O'Neal stated (and he was a Dem) All politics is Local. You are ignoring all of the news reports tha
162 Jaysit : Their grades were nearly identical: Bush with a 77, Kerry with a 76 (today's equivalent of a C+). Frankly, your puffery over the difference between a
163 VonRichtofen : Well Kerry could have been more tactful with his comments. I think though, that American citizens really need to be asking questions like why is enlis
164 ArtieFufkin : Good one UA. That's why the GOP keeps harping on Kerry during this critical time period. He's not even running for office. They are hoping to bolster
165 UALPHLCS : no Art it goes over your head. you keep living in that bubble you created by reading only what confirms your little world. I'll be out here in the re
166 Pope : To nobody's surprise, Kerry has now flip-flopped on this issue. First saying that he had nothing to apologize for, only to reverse course and apologiz
167 MaverickM11 : The Republican party is a disaster mired in scandal divorced from its founding principles, and the Democrats still have to fight tooth and nail to try
168 Falcon84 : Kerry put out an apology to the troops. Not that will assuage any on the right who want to make this a late election issue. Only Republicans are allow
169 QXatFAT : And what do the Dems do to the Republicans? Welcome to polotics
170 Post contains images AndesSMF : You have to remember that this was not an issue till Kerry Let me know when you forgive a Republican for making that type of error.
171 Falcon84 : Had it been a Republican, Andes, unlike you guys on the right-especially one who had served, I wouldn't have even batted an eye. It's not an issue. P
172 Schoenorama : A bit of perspective:
173 Post contains links and images Jaysit : Well, at least the troops have a sense of humor Service men and women in Iraq certainly already know about Kerry's comments. A photo from a Minnesota
174 FDXMECH : Spoken like a true poodle. Then why did he deny saying it?
175 RAPCON : after 90 days, Kerry asked to transfer to Admiral Aide duty. I did 9 months 27 days of the Desert Shield/Storm--I did not ask to transfer, I went to
176 Jaysit : Well, that makes you a super hero. Kerry's just a plain ol' run of the mill hero.
177 Pope : But Bush wasn't the one going around calling Kerry the village idiot. Kerry have a pair. ROTFLMAO. He's already (within 24 hours) flip flopped his po
178 MaverickM11 : It can't hurt, and considering the tough time the Democrats are having gaining share from the most verkakte Republican regime in recent memory, it do
179 Pope : Substantively it helps a little. What it does do is dominate at least 2 news cycles that could otherwise have continued to focus on the status of the
180 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Must be a graduate of the Dixie Chicks School of Standing Up To the Man (R), where every student is taught how to make a statement, retract it, apolo
181 Falcon84 : Oh, you mean like this: -"Stay the course. Stay the course. Stay the course" -"Oh we're sorry, we've never had a policy of 'stay the course'" -"Well,
182 Keesje : The man is a war hero, the neos manning the white house not. Makes it so damn complicated.
183 Post contains images Rsmith6621a :
184 Itsjustme : Pretty much sums it up. No comments from the Bush supporters?
185 AerospaceFan : Funny how the cartoonist doesn't criticize Democrats for trying to make everything a political referendum about President Bush's conduct of the Iraq w
186 AndesSMF : You want a bit of perspective? How about the comments Kerry made about the soldiers after his short stint in Vietnam. How about all those leftist who
187 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : I thought that was Woodrow Wilson's slogan for reelection in 1916. . Did both Wilson and FDR use it?
188 Itsjustme : Nice try. How about if we keep the discussion to the thread topic? You wanna compare the cluster in Iraq to Vietnam, start another thread. Kerry was
189 Falcon84 : You are the one with no shame-thinking ANYONE in this nation is happy the war is where it's at, with our young men and women dying daily. How dare yo
190 AndesSMF : Shall we count how many times the Democrats have compared Iraq to Vietnam? Turnaround is fair play. It wasnt people who got hurt. This remark was ins
191 GuitrThree : Milk mileage? Please.. US Soldiers around the world are kicking Kerry's ass on his comments... mis-spoken my ass... Tell me.. what exactly did he "in
192 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Yep....which makes me wonder why you look up to the Chicks and Kerry but not Bush.
193 Post contains images ShakeZulaNJ : Oh Lordy, Kerry done f'ed it up for the Democrats..
194 Post contains images L-188 : I got to see Kerry's "Apology" on the news tonight.... He came this close to sincerity. Thank god he lost in 04.
195 ArtieFufkin : Never would have wanted to miss all the great news over the last two years...LOL Lets see. Thousands more killed. Billions added to deficit. Loss of
196 L-188 : What's the down side there?
197 Itsjustme : I do believe you're finally catching on. As your first sentence so accurately states, "It wasn't people who got hurt". Exactly. Nobody got hurt from
198 FlyDeltaJets87 : Why do you feel the need to end every statement you make with "LOL"? I feel like I'm reading some myspace blog written by 15 year old high schooler w
199 Post contains images Bobster2 : Exactly. Kerry didn't get the message two years ago. The message to Kerry is "You're a loser, you'll always be a loser". (Same message to Al Gore and
200 Halls120 : Webb didn't "come out of nowhere" to lead Allen. The race has been very competitive ever since Allen uttered the infamous "macaca" crack. Actually, K
201 Post contains images Falcon84 : Talk about stupid words. How is he a "loser"? He's a United States Senator; he's served with honor for his country (which is more than our esteemed p
202 L-188 : GW-Honorable Discharge-TXANG Kerry-General Discharge-USN Sorry but Kerry had to screw up somewhere to earn a General Discharge.
203 Itsjustme : How're these for stupid words: Bush: "Both (Cheney and Rumsfeld) are doing fantastic jobs and I strongly support them." And you people are upset over
204 L-188 : Wrong, Kerry's words caused a lot of harm to every person that has served in the US military and I think provided us with a view on how he realy feel
205 Itsjustme : Please. Kerry's words caused a "lot of harm" to our US military? If that's true then perhaps our military folks need to get some thicker skin. That b
206 Falcon84 : Of course you don't, because you're more a partisan for conservatism than someone who really gives a rats ass about the nation. What's said is I hone
207 Post contains images Bobster2 : He lost to Bush. That's my definition of "loser". What's your definition.
208 Itsjustme : Given the track record of Bush since defeating Kerry, I'd say the American citizens are the losers.
209 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : Thank you Senator Kerry, Signed, The Republican Party. Finally we see these liberal Democratic fools roast over the fire and be exposed for what they
210 AndesSMF : Then why you simply didnt call for it is beyond me. This was between Kerry and the troops, no one else. So I guess I did finally put words in your mo
211 Rsmith6621a : Yes I agree with you for once L-188....it has given us all a front seat to see more of the A$$ that bush and his administration are and will always b
212 Post contains images Itsjustme : I have to wonder what isn't beyond you. Kerry made a stupid remark and apologized for it. Time to move on Jr. I keep bringing Bush back into this? Do
213 Post contains images AndesSMF : Yes, this is your first post in this thread. This is your second See what I see? Jr., jeez, now I'm upset. Bush made one response that has been repea
214 ME AVN FAN : This quite obviously is aimed at the president and not at people in military service. It is a bad joke about the educational career of the "CIC" . No
215 Diamond : With all due respect - if his stupid remark "caused a lot of harm" to people in the military, then we're in deep trouble. I have faith that they are
216 Itsjustme : Oh c'mon, I was kidding. I don't find it insulting to be called a liberal nor do I find it insulting to be called a conservative. I agree and disagre
217 AndesSMF : I had the sarcastic icon. Well, from your position that you enumerate, I can tell you are not a conservative. The discussion was not whether someone
218 Halls120 : How did Bush not serve with honor? If the joke was "obviously" aimed at Bush, it wouldn't have created the firestorm it did. I know former Kerry camp
219 Frequentflyer : It had everything to do with policy and nothing with the troops. Read again, but without bias. If you can. Hopefully you will realize one day how muc
220 UALPHLCS : OK Frequentflyer, theres the quote. SHow me using those words where POLICY in Iraq, or President or anything you read into it actually IS. Cut and pa
221 ME AVN FAN : well, I possibly have to "backpedal" on the "obvious". But I am convinced that he meant it to be a funny joke about GWB. - And yes, I can imagine tha
222 Frequentflyer : You do not strike me as obviously willing to understand my point, unfortunately. I am telling you my conviction Kerry was targeting Bush. Any intent
223 Halls120 : I agree with you that he intended to target Bush. I am also convinced that the "joke" shows just what Kerry really is - an out of touch elitist who p
224 Post contains links AerospaceFan : The following shows that Sen. Kerry once harbored quite unfavorable feelings regarding the implementation of a volunteer army, which we have today. (S
225 Itsjustme : Really? And here I thought conservatives favored such things as capital punishment, tightening our borders (didn't Bush just authorize funding for 70
226 Post contains links Baroque : Being ignorant, that seemed to me to be what Kerry was talking about. And VSLovers excellent post shows that if it was what Kerry was on about, it li
227 UALPHLCS : I'm telling you my conviction is that Bush wanted to get rid of any potential WMDs in Iraq in 2003. But that conviction hasn't stopped Democrats from
228 AerospaceFan : I question whether Jaysit's comment, as bolded, may be misleading. While "many right out of high school" may indeed decide for themselves to join the
229 Frequentflyer : OK listen I think you're so prejudiced it is real funny to read so Thank you. Read my posts again and you'll find the answers to your questions. For
230 UALPHLCS : Way to dodge the question. You accuse me of reading into Kerry's statement. You accuse me of bias. Yet, you where the one who said that it was "obvio
231 Baroque : Indeed it may, which is why I suggested we may have to wait for the historians to tell us what this was all about. And it is certainly impossible to
232 Post contains links UALPHLCS : For those of you who accept John Kerry's explaination for his "joke" may have to reconsider. As I said before, Mr. Kerry's comment wasn't a joke, it w
233 Post contains images AGM100 :
234 Post contains links ArtieFufkin : John Stewart puts the Kerry gaffe in perspective http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TDS-AASIF-MandviBushJokes.mov
235 UALPHLCS : JOHN STEWART!!! That's ALL you got Artie! ROTFLMAO.
236 JGPH1A : That would be funny, if it wasn't so sad. But hey, if they're happy there, they just need to vote GOP, they'll be there another 10 years minimum. Enj
237 ME AVN FAN : My quite personal impression is that Kerry wanted to make a joke about GWB, by misunderstanding angered many military servicemen, and to all appearanc
238 UALPHLCS : What's funny about that clip Artie is that they use your tactic. Republicans MADE John Kerry say what he said so they could "exhume the bloated corpse
239 Post contains images AerospaceFan : John Kerry can always be President -- of the Tall Senators Club.
240 UALPHLCS : Pleae read the two quotes I made of John Kerry's statements from 1974 and 1972 and 2006. Is there ANY difference in them?
241 Post contains images B777-700 : John Kerry, who is irrelevant to anything that is going on right now, messing up a joke is ALL YOU'VE got? Oh boy is the GOP in bad shape! 'I know th
242 AGM100 : Sad Why ? They want to be their , they are Soldiers ! They want to be in the fight. I was recently at FT Benning and talked to alot of guys that were
243 UALPHLCS : John Stewart is NOT an ELECTED representative of the Democrat Party. Granted he IS representative of the Democrat party. John Stewart was not campaig
244 JGPH1A : Win what ? Nobody is questioning their commitment or their bravery, but seriously, what can they hope to win ? A higher body count, is all. How many
245 AerospaceFan : So, in other words, "declare victory and come back home". You know, if it weren't for the fact that the Maliki government is making it seem so tempti
246 JGPH1A : No need - wasn't "Mission Accomplished" in 2003 ? Why declare anything, except your intention to let the Iraqis get on with it ? Sometimes it's OK ju
247 AGM100 : Agreed , and it is exactly what I told the guys down their. The mission to knock out Saddam was accomplished. The New guys going their however are co
248 B777-700 : Please show me where I said he was. Matter of fact, please show me where I said anything about Jon Stewart at all. I was talking about the GOP's lame
249 AerospaceFan : Hey, guys, you really don't need to go much further. The more I read about how many of our soldiers are killed by one IED or another, or one sniper or
250 Clipperhawaii : This same philosophy would apply to Nazi's too? Ties are stalemates which fester for decades and create a bigger problem. Ever hear of the 28th paral
251 UALPHLCS : I don't think it. I allow John Kerry's words speak for themselves. "I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and th
252 JGPH1A : That may well happen anyway, and since the choice of their government rests with the Iraqi people ALONE, there's nothing anyone else can do about it.
253 B777-700 : And for the most part, that turned out to be true. A comment that has nothing to do with soldiers. It was a barb aimed at Bush that he mest up and th
254 Halls120 : Have any statistics to back that up?
255 AerospaceFan : ^^ Bravo, UAL. Bravo. Sen. Kerry: Indicted by his own silvery tongue. The party of John Kerry, make no mistake, is also that of Nancy Pelosi. Both of
256 AndesSMF : Just as an aside, and perhaps off topic. I was reading about the Iranian revolution and was surprised to find out that the original intent of the rev
257 JGPH1A : Exit, pursued by a bear And what was that little rambling flight of incoherence in aid of ? Dear me, lay off the Childrens' Tylenol for a while.
258 UALPHLCS : Yes. But why should that be "anathema" to John Kerry. Again for the third time...maybe you can do what others haven't B777-700, using John Kerry's wo
259 AerospaceFan : An eulogy, perhaps, to a political party. Or career.
260 VonRichtofen : Well what Kerry said was somewhat true. Hell even if you had good grades in High School but come from a poor family you have a much better chance of e
261 JGPH1A : To paraphrase Esme Weatherwax, I fear "They Aten't Dead" just yet.
262 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Yup. True, that. And I've always been uncomfortable that Halloween and Election Day are so close together.
263 B777-700 : If that's what you choose to believe. I don't believe he thinks it is. Just because it's something you want to portray him as, doesn't mean it's fact
264 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : What Sen. Kerry said was wrong. What President Bush said was wrong. Kerry has apologized, and if it holds no water, shame on him. However, President
265 GuitrThree : Umm.. Ok.. yea.. I'll jump in here. This is EXACTLY, WORD FOR WORD what was said here, BY YOU: Humm... You said, "And that's true. And history repeat
266 Post contains images B777-700 : I will do no such thing. I meant what I said. Kerry pointed out that we had soldiers committing atrocities in Vietnam, and Abu Gahrib is evidence tha
267 Halls120 : OK, enough about Bush. When are you going to answer my question? Quoting B777-700 (Reply 253): Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 251): "I am convinced a volunt
268 AndesSMF : First of all, Kerry made allegations about the troops in Vietnam. As far as I know, not a single soldier went to jail because of what Kerry claimed.
269 Post contains links ArtieFufkin : Looks like GOP hissy fit on Kerry's gaffe just isnt doing the trick. This survey conducted after the fact suggests things are now worse for the GOP.
270 Post contains links Baroque : Probably not unrelated to forthcoming events? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6112164.stm "US Bechtel wraps up Iraq projects Enlarging the fresh w
271 Baroque : Previous post was in some haste. The withdrawal of Bechtel seems to mark the end of some processes at least. The rest of the article is even more depr
272 B777-700 : When it has something to do with what we're talking about.
273 UALPHLCS : Nice to know you read B777-700. The reason anathema was in quotes is because it was a quote. From John Kerry. And if you read the article I posted wi
274 Halls120 : Hey, you are the one who brought it up, not me. Quoting B777-700 (Reply 253): Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 251): "I am convinced a volunteer army would be
275 Post contains images B777-700 : And again, what is incorrect about that assessment? Yes, he clearly did. Go back, read what he said just before the 'stuck in Iraq' comment. It is un
276 Post contains links UALPHLCS : Allow me to bail out B777-700, Halls120. He obviously can't do research on the internet. This is what you're looking for: Enlisted Men: 64% White 20%
277 UALPHLCS : The data! Look at my above post B777-700 I did your homework for you. I find it sad that faced with all this evidence: Multiple quotes from Kerry's p
278 Post contains images Baroque : Er, maybe those stats look quite like the situation Kerry described assuming the different ratios for enlisteds and officers has something to do with
279 Post contains images B777-700 : Request denied. LOL...Oh God, the irony of THAT statement! 36% minority, that a strong amount. 51% minority, which, oddly enuff, makes a majority. Wh
280 UALPHLCS : But NOT what you say Kerry was saying B777-700. I'm sorry you feel that way B777-700 should all the White people move out of America? Clinton said he
281 B777-700 : Please show me where I said that. I'm not a liberal, sorry. How does that phrase go...When you assume, you make an ass out of yourself? Something lik
282 Halls120 : Really? I "know" it is true? Funny thing is, I served for almost 22 years, and from my vantage point, the military was anything but "poor, black, and
283 Post contains images Halls120 :
284 Post contains images B777-700 : Playing Army men doesn't count. If you really did serve, you must have done something clumsy like dive on a grenade and lose your sight and hearing,
285 UALPHLCS : Well Gee B777-700 what's your point then. I'm confused. You say its pretty sad that the Army's ranks are proportional to America's demographics. What
286 Post contains images B777-700 : I saw stats that in some categories had more minorities. I saw stats that had a large majority of whites in civilian positions. I saw stats that had 8
287 UALPHLCS : Boy you are a piece of work. John Kerry Makes FUN of Troops and you deny it then you MAKE UP that Republicans make fun of Vets. The Republican Party
288 Post contains images Halls120 : is that the best you can do? During the early days of my career, I used my senses to see that the majority of the armed forces were white, with a sig
289 Post contains images B777-700 : Incorrect. Hmm, why would I think that? Hang on...Max Cleland just called. He said Osama says vote Bush. Ok, so this theory... Doesn't apply to Rush?
290 UALPHLCS : B777-700! Your back! You just can't help contradicting yourself can you. even something as simple as We were done. I will spell this out because appar
291 Halls120 : Well, since a whole boatload of democrats - including Hillary Clinton - ran away from Kerry after he shot his mouth off, I guess you are the only one
292 Post contains images B777-700 : Nope, I'm staying the course It has everything to do with the topic. Why to you feign outrage about Kerry's comments, yet give Bush a pass for his sk
293 UALPHLCS : If you think its relevant you quote it. I'm not going to do your work for you. Debates don't work like that. Relevance please? B777-700 you are hopel
294 Halls120 : I'm not a republican. If you are going to label me, please get it right. Also, since you've not been paying attention, I'll help you out. Run Halls12
295 Post contains images B777-700 : That's the part your right wing buddies don't want you to see, or you willingly ignore. He was talking about BUSH. This is CLEAR. If you still don't
296 UALPHLCS : "Anyway, yesterday I was in the state of Texas as you all know President Bush used to live there, now he lives in the state of denial. A state of dece
297 Itsjustme : One very important fact that you are conveniently over looking is that Kerry, Stewart, SNL, etc did not make the decision to send almost 3000 America
298 Post contains images B777-700 : The fact that you can't see the difference here is truly frightening. It's a shame there's an angry little minority of people like you still left in
299 UALPHLCS : Yep if you can't refute it run away from it. I think that's called "Cut and Run." I've never seen anyone so cowardly as you B777-700.
300 CRJ705 : As an impartial observer in Canada, its kind of funny when these things occur in the United States. After reviewing the footage, I think that Senator
301 L-188 : Damm you beat me to it. A retired O-6 passed that photo on to me.
302 Itsjustme : Well written post CRJ705. I must take issue with the above quote, however. Bush's "mistake" that you refer to has cost close to 3000 American men and
303 Post contains images Baroque : Sorry to see a Canadian making this leap of logic. First the correlation between any set of examination results and innate abilities is at best weak.
304 UALPHLCS : Nice post in general I say I have to agree with you. I think the basic problem is this: Itsjustme's quote illustrates the basic misrepresentation lib
305 Post contains links Baroque : Usually the victors get to write the history and I doubt if that is how it is going to come out. I think you need to read outside the "comfortable" U
306 UALPHLCS : No I don't think victory is within our grasp. I think it needs a lot of work. I think defeat is within our grasp. Democrats want us to reach out and
307 Baroque : Even "good" is relative. You have to demonstrate that "removing" non-existent WMDs by invasion and incurring the resulting death toll was preferable
308 Post contains images B777-700 : God almighty, you are void of any reality. Your ignorance is breathtaking. I honestly can't believe that in 2006, there people who actually think lik
309 UALPHLCS : The Problem with that analysis is that you lump US and invasion deaths in with the the deaths caused by the Iraqis themselves. Was the US action deat
310 B777-700 : I don't have to. Reality takes care of that. Oh so you're also one of those that thinks his opinions are fact. Gotcha. The more you talk, the more yo
311 UALPHLCS : Why can't you show us then? Crack open a dictionary and check out the word "analysis."
312 Itsjustme : Well, you're 0 for 2 here. I am neither a liberal nor have I misrepresented anything about the war. Are you disputing the fact that the Bush administ
313 Post contains images B777-700 : Why would I need to point out the obvious to you? Looks like he beat me to it anyway.
314 UALPHLCS : I dispute your assertion that the Administration didn't give a laundry list of reasons for going to Iraq. That Laundry list included a number of the
315 B777-700 : Incorrect. We went because Iraq had WMD's (Note HAD, not was making, or was capable of, or was thinking about) and because they had a connection to 9
316 Halls120 : Getting back to the title of this thread, saw the following in Capitol Hill Blue:
317 ArtieFufkin : By all means keep talking about Kerry. These polls were taken after the GOP hissy fit. Newsweek and Washington Post A new Newsweek poll gives Democrat
318 Frequentflyer : Mistake I have not made, 777, that guy is really not worth it. The worst profile I have ever seen on A.net. Yeah, that plonker also called me a liber
319 Post contains images B777-700 : While I don't see anything wrong w/ his profile, it is embarrassing that he's from my hometown of Philadelphia...In a state that went with Kerry in 2
320 UALPHLCS : Show me don't tell me. Quote to me just one time when anyone in the Administration said the ONE AND ONLY REASON to goto war in Iraq was WMDs. AS I sa
321 Post contains images B777-700 : Uh, hello? McFly?...State of the Union Address! Too bad for your kind none of those were ever expressed BEFORE the war. It would give you an argument
322 UALPHLCS : Boy, you are stuck on stupid aren't you. Your JOB is to convince me. When I had a Kerry quote I didn't just say "Kerry in 1972." I found it, quoted i
323 Post contains images B777-700 : Ok, so if I don't send you a link to Bush's state of the union address, he never said it...Is that what I'm reading here? Well, you're certainly not
324 UALPHLCS : It's what I'm registered as. In fact on most issues other than the War, I'm more moderate. But you would NEVER believe that because you made up your
325 Itsjustme : If you're going to refer to the man who has one of the most brilliant minds in the history of Television, please at least have the decency to spell h
326 Post contains images JGPH1A : If you don't like being mocked by the Daily Show, stop providing them with such great material ! You have to admit, a lot of these so-called values a
327 Baroque : Yes, they result from the invasion, how else would you classify them? Fate? The will of Allah? Not sure of any other options. Most of those who seem
328 Halls120 : One thing that amazes me about anonymous message/discussion boards is how so many people think they can accurately pigeonhole people based on what th
329 Post contains links Baroque : Jon Stewart is good. however, it is a pity you guys do not get to see the likes of Gillies, Chaser News and John Clarke. Chaser ran a version of CNN
330 UALPHLCS : LOL Yes, because what he does is so original. It's nothing like "Not Necessarily the News," or Weekend Update on SNL, or even older formats like the
331 Post contains images AerospaceFan : UAL, if you weren't on my Respected List already, I'd add you right now just for that!
332 Post contains images B777-700 : Nope, that doesn't cut it I'm afraid: 'I want to see words in quotes so that they can be analysed and I want to see you interpretation of those quote
333 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Actually, I'm thinking about adding you to my RU list.   The reason is that I don't remember your posting extremist stuff that other liberals someti
334 Post contains links Diamond : Please continue the discussion here: John Kerry's Latest Brilliant Comments Part 2 (by Diamond Nov 5 2006 in Non Aviation)
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