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Remember The UK Guys Who Caused The Liquids Ban?  
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9635 posts, RR: 68
Posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2314 times:
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Released, due to "insufficient information evidence."

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/11/01/uk.terror/

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User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Pathetic

Just Pathetic!!!!

Tom.



Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Er, only two have been released, not everyone that was arrested and charged.

25 were arrested.

17 have been charged, including these two.

These two have been released, due to lack of evidence. They were only charged with failing to disclose information about a third brother, if theres not enough evidence of that charge (and on the face of it it really is a 'get them on anything' charge) then release them).

15 people remain in custody on charges.

Details of 15 of the suspects that have been charged:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5272264.stm

[Edited 2006-11-01 19:20:08]

User currently onlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2128 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
They were only charged with failing to disclose information about a third brother.

Exactly! There's absoloutely no proof that these people did anything wrong!

I'm no fan of terrorism, but sometimes I think the public in general should engage their brains before they open their mouths and let their stomach rumble.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6816 posts, RR: 77
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

So what should happen to somebody if not proven guilty? No proof, no punishment - that's how it works in a constitutional state.


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 1):
Pathetic
Just Pathetic!!!!

What exactly is pathetic ? That the judiciary, after thorough investigation and checking now released two persons who are NOT guilty ?
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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
15 people remain in custody on charges.
Details of 15 of the suspects that have been charged:

and some of these 15 in the end will get out of the matter, as in some cases the evidence will not be seen as conclusive in court. What counts is that the matter was detected and got investigated
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Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 3):
the public in general should engage their brains before they open their mouths and let their stomach rumble.

I expect that many "public" people will in the end be much disappointed by fairly minimal sentences handed out. To prove ideas and notions and intentions and to prove that these thoughts were criminal is difficult. Suppose it will be offences like smuggling of illegal material etc which will be the thing in the end.
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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24938 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 1):
Pathetic

Just Pathetic!!!!

Eh?



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Those judges must have flipped their wigs.

Mark


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
Those judges must have flipped their wigs.

Exactly, this is ridiculous....


Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Well I think that the entire liquid ban is a bit short sighted and just more scare tactics. When we do change our behavior like this, to change the entire system that has worked perfectly well for the last 30 years is fear mongering.
If these two guys have been deemed not to have evidence against them, then let em' go. But if they should be deemed guilty under a normal fair trial under the rights they are afforded...well then do what is allowed for punishment under the law.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):
Those judges must have flipped their wigs.

Why ? Because they, after having done their investigations, finally released two innocent ones ?
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When the court procedures will be through, some of the 15 who are charged, will also be released and the sentences for most of the others will be relatively mild, and YOU for sure then will complain again. But judges have to work according to the law and NOT according to public emotions.


User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):
When the court procedures will be through, some of the 15 who are charged, will also be released and the sentences for most of the others will be relatively mild, and YOU for sure then will complain again. But judges have to work according to the law and NOT according to public emotions.

Very true! But, don't forget, public and media hysteria is the guiding force in this day and age and we can't have anyone who might remotely be involved getting away with it, now can we? Who cares about Judges and the rule of law, lets just adopt a "Hang first, ask questions after" approach. That'll solve all the worlds ills.

And that was a touch of cynical sarcasm in case anyone was wondering Big grin

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):
Why ? Because they, after having done their investigations, finally released two innocent ones ?

Just for the sake of accuracy, the judges in the UK do not investigate. It's not the same "investigating magistrate" system as you have in continental Europe, the Anglo-Saxon judicial system is an adversarial one where the judge pronounces on the evidence but has no part in the investigation.



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User currently offlineSkidmarks From UK - England, joined Dec 2004, 7121 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
Just for the sake of accuracy, the judges in the UK do not investigate. It's not the same "investigating magistrate" system as you have in continental Europe, the Anglo-Saxon judicial system is an adversarial one where the judge pronounces on the evidence but has no part in the investigation.

Picky, picky!! Big grin

Andy  old 



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Its interesting to note both who and how many people are willing to throw due process and a thousand years of judicial history and established procedure out of the window purely because these two were charged with terrorism offences.

Shows which way the world is going today, and Im not talking about the terrorists.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
do not investigate

in most of continental Europe it of course is NOT actually the judges investigating themselves but police investigations are done under the order of the judiciary. But the magistrate in charge DOES have influence onto the investigations.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 15):
in most of continental Europe it of course is NOT actually the judges investigating themselves but police investigations are done under the order of the judiciary. But the magistrate in charge DOES have influence onto the investigations.

Indeed. But in the UK (and other similar Anglo-Saxon legal systems like the US and Australia) the judiciary play no part whatsoever in the investigation.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
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