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Man Convicted Of Circumcising His Daughter  
User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/11/01/female.circumcision.ap/index.html

Pure evil. This guy is pure evil.


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting Beefstew25 (Thread starter):
Pure evil. This guy is pure evil.

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While what he did to his daughter is disguising and morally wrong. We have to take into account the religious reasoning's behind his motives. Now, Im am not saying it is ok to cut off a girls clitoris, but we have to remember that in his mind, its ok. To call him evil... is a bit much, imo

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User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
While what he did to his daughter is disguising and morally wrong. We have to take into account the religious reasoning's behind his motives. Now, Im am not saying it is ok to cut off a girls clitoris, but we have to remember that in his mind, its ok. To call him evil... is a bit much, imo

They did not mention religion in the article.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

He not only is he ignorant or defiant of Federal law, he doesn't appear to understand the concept of perjury, either.

Mark

[Edited 2006-11-02 05:28:39]

User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Quoting Beefstew25 (Reply 2):
They did not mention religion in the article.

Although in no way to i agree what this guy did. I would have to agree with Cadet57 on his remarks. From where he is from it is a regular practice AFAIK. It was wrong what he did. But like cadet57 said, evil is a bit harsh. But, in no way to i condone what this guy did, and hope he does spend the full 10 years in jail.

Cheers Chris



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User currently offlineRAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
We have to take into account the religious reasoning's behind his motives.

The Congress more than likely took into account different religious views when debating the social policy behind the law. And clearly the Congress rejected all religious beliefs as contrary to the norms, laws, customs, and morality of the United States.

After he's released, if he survives the penitentiary, I hope he's deported to Africa. Maybe he can hang out with Bob Geldof and Bono.



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 5):
After he's released, if he survives the penitentiary, I hope he's deported to Africa. Maybe he can hang out with Bob Geldof and Bono.

And Madonna. And the Brangelina.


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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5718 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
While what he did to his daughter is disguising and morally wrong. We have to take into account the religious reasoning's behind his motives. Now, Im am not saying it is ok to cut off a girls clitoris, but we have to remember that in his mind, its ok.

Because he has perverted religious views this should let him off the hook? In the mind of cannibals killing and eating people is most likely "ok" as well.
I say cut off HIS d*ck and send him back wherever he came from.


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

I didn't even know you could circumcise a girl. There you go.


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 8):
I didn't even know you could circumcise a girl. There you go.

Christ, I learnt how you do that in Primary school, I suddenly feel over privileged!  Wow!

As well as agreeing in part with Cadet57, I have to ask if the father still plays a part in the upbringing of his daughter, depending on the divorce agreement I suppose. If so, then I do not agree with putting him in jail for what are the eventual years when a sibling bonds with their parents. I'm not sure that would be fair on the girl for a start, if she still loves her father.

Dan Smile



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User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 7):
Because he has perverted religious views this should let him off the hook? In the mind of cannibals killing and eating people is most likely "ok" as well.
I say cut off HIS d*ck and send him back wherever he came from

BINGO! Why should his views affect the life of others? If he wants to castrate himself, that is fine and dandy.



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):
Christ, I learnt how you do that in Primary school, I suddenly feel over privileged!

I know you look up to me but you don't have to call me Christ.

So you're telling me that you learnt about obscure things about female genitalia when you were 8 and you also learnt how to draw proper trees? Wow, I feel underprivileged.

*Note, by tree I don't mean penis as I see you could possibly make a link there.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 7):
Because he has perverted religious views this should let him off the hook?

Did i say that? NO... what I said was:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
Now, Im am not saying it is ok to cut off a girls clitoris, but we have to remember that in his mind, its ok.



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 7):
I say cut off HIS d*ck and send him back wherever he came from.

Whatever.



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User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

From the article....

"The child's mother, Fortunate Adem, said she did not discover it until more than a year later."

Hmmm, something isn't adding up here. How could her mom not have noticed for over a year??


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 13):
Hmmm, something isn't adding up here. How could her mom not have noticed for over a year??

Well the girl was past the dipers stage and lets face it, how often did your parents look at your nuts?



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User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 14):
Well the girl was past the dipers stage

Possibly. But was she past the bath stage? Her mom surely must have bathed her a time or two after she was two, no??


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 15):
But was she past the bath stage? Her mom surely must have bathed her a time or two after she was two, no?

True. Very true. But again. Unless the daughter mentions it. I doubt the mother would be looking for it specifically.. Now IDK weather it changes the appearance of the organ. If not IDK if the mother would even know.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

Quoting Beefstew25 (Thread starter):
Pure evil.

No, what he did is bad, but it is common place in many areas of Africa. A sentence of 10 years in this light looks rather harsh, but I suppose the idea was to place an example and to show that such doings are NOT tolerated. The REAL problem in the background is that this "cut" still takes place in so many areas and is still done by so many people.


User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 16):
If not IDK if the mother would even know.

Had to be a bloody procedure. Had to take time to heal, including a scab for a while. I smell something rotten. Could the mom be in fact guilty, and the dad telling the truth??


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 18):
I smell something rotten.

Sure it's not something fishy?



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User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 19):
Sure it's not something fishy?

Good point. I totally missed that opportunity. Big grin


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

How can you circumsize a woman sick bastard

User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

I'm surprised they didn't pursue sexual assault. I think the example needs to be set, certainly. And for those who think it's the same as male circumcision, it's not:
The purpose of male circumcision is not to deny the male any sexual pleasure. It's cleanliness. Circumcised males are less prone to infections.

All female circumcision does is deny the female sexual pleasure which she is naturally entitled to.

I don't buy the culture argument. He still has a brain. Jim Crow and Nazism were also a culture at one point. It doesn't absolve those involved for the responsibility.

He physically harmed his daughter with the sole purpose and intention of denying her sexual pleasure. He doesn't deserve or need any sympathy.

[Edited 2006-11-02 18:20:17]

User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

10 years??? Thats it????? Ask me should have been life in prison.

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Quoting ORFflyer (Reply 18):
Had to take time to heal

well, the male circumcision if conducted at age 10 takes a few weeks to heal, so that I suppose it is similar in this case
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Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 22):
the same as male circumcision, it's not:

of course not, it is complete rubbish
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Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 22):
He physically harmed his daughter

he however simply followed the tradition he knew. To "harm" his daughter was not really the point. "sympathy" ? not the point. The point is that it must be made clear to immigrants with such traditions in mind that such doings is NOT tolerated
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Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 23):
10 years??? Thats it????? Ask me should have been life in prison.

quite to the contrary. He most presumably will be released after serving the "minimum", as not a "real criminal".
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25 Cadet57 : Again. While sick what he did. It is not as if he murdered someone. That sentence is a bit harsh imho..
26 Post contains images Dougloid : Off with his clit!
27 Post contains images Solnabo : The same happend here, but the father went to Ethiopia with his daughter and let his relatives "cut her". The school nurse called the police when the
28 JAGflyer : The guy is obviously Muslim, and in some Muslim countries they do "circumsize" women. Its a brutal and totally aweful thing to do and I hope he gets t
29 PerthGloryFan : Obviously not - "The practice crosses ethnic and cultural lines and is not tied to a particular religion." PGF
30 L410Turbolet : You don't think he's a REAL criminal?
31 N1120A : Congress isn't supposed to take into account religious views, it is simply not supposed to interfere in the free exercise of religion, nor respect th
32 ME AVN FAN : female "circumcision" has nothing to do with Islam, and is done in many Christian countries throughout Africa. - no, as he did NOT have a negative in
33 Post contains images L410Turbolet : He did permanently mutilate his 2-year old daughter for crying out loud!!! His motivations whether negative or positive to do so as a result of his p
34 Thom@s : Some guy of African origin in Bergen, Norway attempted to stab his daughters school-teacher. After it was discovered that "something" had happened to
35 Singapore_Air : I think we all have to consider what the point of this was? I've heard of male circumcision but not females. And by the looks of the replies on this t
36 ME AVN FAN : people who do such things do NOT see their doings as "mutilating" it is not a religious belief, neither with Christians nor with Muslims doing it, it
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