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GOP: It Wasn't Only Iraq That Did Them In  
User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

GOP corruption will be a huge factor in 15 House seats. Unprecedented.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2006/11/01/AR2006110103146_pf.html

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User currently offlineRAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

GOP Corrupt
DEM Corrupt

ME....open to be corrupted. Send in the $$ boys! I ain't cheap, but I can be had!



MODS CAN'T STOP ME....THEY CAN ONLY HOPE TO CONTAIN ME!!!
User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Here's the money quote. And this is right in line with my assertion that this GOP led session is the worst ever.

"But this year's combination of breadth and severity may be unprecedented, suggested Julian E. Zelizer, a congressional historian at Boston University."


"So many different kinds of scandals going on at the same time, that's pretty unique," Zelizer said. "There were scandals throughout the '70s, multiple scandals, but the number of stories now are almost overwhelming."




Those who say this is just the GOP's turn are just plain uniformed or dishonest.

[Edited 2006-11-02 21:02:22]

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 1):
GOP Corrupt
DEM Corrupt

Government is corrupt regardless of who is in charge. That will never change. Honesty and politics will never go hand in hand.

One thing you can do is vote.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 3):
Government is corrupt regardless of who is in charge. That will never change. Honesty and politics will never go hand in hand.

Spot on. Term Limits and Jail time will help solve that . . . and going to the polls . . . . not some ridiculously stupid "Not Voting In Protest" approach some some idiots.

HEY! ARTIE, HOW ABOUT THAT EISENHOWER CARRIER BATTLE GROUP? NORMAL DEPLOYMENT THROUGH THE STRAIGHTS OF HORMUZ OR WHAT? READY TO SAY IT WAS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING ON YOUR PART????????


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Spot on. Term Limits and Jail time will help solve that . . . and going to the polls . . . . not some ridiculously stupid "Not Voting In Protest" approach some some idiots.

Never ceases to amaze me on the level of "intelligence" involved with not voting in protest. You don't vote, you don't get a say and shut the f*** up. Period.

Term limits, jail time and making holding politicians feet to the same fire ordinary citizens are held to would slow things down and make politicians think twice. It would be amazing how quick things changed if we were to open the books, so to speak, and make our leaders (local, state and federal) responsible for what they did, like we are when we are held to the same standards.

To all here....V O T E!!!!! It's your right and it's your voice.

I did this morning, as an early vote (as I will not be home).

Cheers,

Bill

[Edited 2006-11-02 23:02:40]


You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
Never ceases to amaze me on the level of "intelligence" involved with not voting in protest. You don't vote, you don't get a say and shut the f*** up. Period.

There was a thread on that earlier this week. A member that shall stay nameless is apparently on vacation for this reply to me regarding this particular subject.

Bottom line, EWRCabinCrew, my friend, no vote - STFU. You have forfeited your right as a citizen and forfeited your right to complaint - and have therefore spat on the graves of every man and woman that ever gave their life for your RIGHT to vote.

If you ask me, it oughta be a law. No vote, no drive . . . or not vote, no some damn thing. There ought to be a consequence. You should ask my brother the asskbeating he took from this family for not voting in 2002. Don't care who you pick - just VOTE damnit.


Still waiting Artie:
HEY! ARTIE, HOW ABOUT THAT EISENHOWER CARRIER BATTLE GROUP? NORMAL DEPLOYMENT THROUGH THE STRAIGHTS OF HORMUZ OR WHAT? READY TO SAY IT WAS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING ON YOUR PART????????


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
If you ask me, it oughta be a law. No vote, no drive . . . or not vote, no some damn thing. There ought to be a consequence. You should ask my brother the asskbeating he took from this family for not voting in 2002. Don't care who you pick - just VOTE damnit.

In Australia, it is the law to vote. There is always 100% turn out. The US should be the same. People might just then, take a good look at who is running, the issues at hand and get their voices heard.

There should be a fine (and a hefty fine at that) for not voting.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
no vote - STFU. You have forfeited your right as a citizen and forfeited your right to complaint - and have therefore spat on the graves of every man and woman that ever gave their life for your RIGHT to vote.

BINGO!!!



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
If you ask me, it oughta be a law. No vote, no drive . . . or not vote, no some damn thing. There ought to be a consequence. You should ask my brother the asskbeating he took from this family for not voting in 2002. Don't care who you pick - just VOTE damnit.



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 7):
In Australia, it is the law to vote. There is always 100% turn out. The US should be the same. People might just then, take a good look at who is running, the issues at hand and get their voices heard

Well put Gentlemen, I think it needs to be a national holiday. Everyone above the age of 18 who is eligible to vote needs to. But I think we need to do it all on the same day. I am a fan of getting rid of both of these parties, and well political parties in general, so that eliminates the need for a primary. Line them vote em down.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 8):
I am a fan of getting rid of both of these parties, and well political parties in general, so that eliminates the need for a primary. Line them vote em down.

There needs to be a huge revamp of the political system here. This is a much bigger country in terms of population and size when compared to when the country was founded. With that growth, there also needs to be change with the system.

Keep some things, take things from other systems, roll them all into one that benefits all and keeps a much truer, or realistic, checks and balance in order.

But in the mean time,

Get our a**es out there and VOTE!!!!



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1610 times:

Iraq? Corruption? Katrina? Shiavo? Do nothing session?

Who can say why they were swamped?

******************************************

11/02

"The latest Rothenberg Political Report ratings are out. Here are exclusive excerpts provided to Political Wire:

The Senate: "While Senate control is in doubt, with Democrats most likely to win from 5 to 7 seats, we do not think the two sides have an equal chance of winning a majority in the Senate. Instead, we believe that state and national dynamics favor Democrats netting six seats and winning control of the United States Senate."

The House: "Going into the final days before the 2006 midterm elections, we believe the most likely outcome in the House of Representatives is a Democratic gain of 34 to 40 seats, with slightly larger gains not impossible. This would put Democrats at between 237 and 243 seats, if not a handful more, giving them a majority in the next House that is slightly larger than the one the Republicans currently hold. If these numbers are generally correct, we would expect a period of GOP finger-pointing and self-flagellation after the elections, followed by a considerable number of Republican House retirements over the next two years."


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 10):



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Still waiting Artie:
HEY! ARTIE, HOW ABOUT THAT EISENHOWER CARRIER BATTLE GROUP? NORMAL DEPLOYMENT THROUGH THE STRAIGHTS OF HORMUZ OR WHAT? READY TO SAY IT WAS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING ON YOUR PART????????


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

GOP Pollster Dick Morris agrees today:

Morris predicts that "2006 will go down in history as one of the worst years for the Republicans." After listing the standard reasons for what he says will be a "rout," Morris identifies the sleaze and corruption which pervades that party as the principal cause:

It was corruption that did the GOP in. . . . Speaker Dennis Hastert's son left his music store in Illinois to move to Washington to become the lobbyist for Google. Hastert himself used his position to fund a highway project that had a lot to do with a big profit on a land deal nearby. Then-Majority Leader Tom Delay put his wife was on his PAC's payroll; she made $300,000. . . . First the Republicans lost their virtue; now they'll lose their majority, at least in the House.


User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 5):
V O T E!!!!! It's your right and it's your voice.

I think it is a civic duty as well.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 12):
It was corruption that did the GOP in. .

Add radicalism to the list, as well as an unprecedented breach of Religiosity into political affairs.

That's not the real GOP in my book. It has been taken over by extremism over the last years. But I am sure it will get back to its proud roots.



Take off and live
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12882 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

It is a lot more than the President's prosecution of the War in Iraq that has hurt Republicans in these mid-term elections, although I suggest that affects the Senators more than the Congress members.
There are maybe 5-6 members of Congress whom have left due to their corruption over the last 2 years. Those posts are most deeply affected, but it isn't the whole story.
I would also add that in some districts, other issues are in play. To me they include: the badly screwed up Medicare prescription drug plan, the collapse of good paying middle class jobs, the failure to deal with immigration, the decline in social programs that help the middle and working class, tax cuts that are skewed to the rich and causing many below them to face higher local taxes.


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

I'd agree with that.

This is what I see as a true conservative ideology.

Limited government, fiscal responsibility, respect for the law and Constitution, opposition to "nation building", individual rights over governmental intrusion, healthy dose of resistance to religious motivated legislation, "good government" as opposed to "big government".

Bush has failed here except for the "limited government" aspect. (If you remove the huge war effort from the pie)

That's why American Conservative Magazine has endorsed the Democrats in this election.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
If you ask me, it oughta be a law.

Whichever party pass that law would probably be tossed out. Also, conventional wisdom seems to suggest if everyone voted then the Democrats would probably benefit more than the Republicans.

In any case, I could probably live with a corrupt GOP so long as they enacted and enforced strong environmental protections, defended our civil liberties and protected consumers at the expense of businesses. Since they haven't been capable to doing any of that in a very long time I don't see much point in supporting them.



Open Season on Consumer Protections is Just Around the Corner...
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 16):
Whichever party pass that law would probably be tossed out. Also, conventional wisdom seems to suggest if everyone voted then the Democrats would probably benefit more than the Republicans.

I don't suppose I care really, if the Democrats have an advantage. As long as we get rid of the partisan BS permiating DC these days . . . not to mention local gov't . . . . I don't think it would matter what party was in the Majority.

Why would you think a party would be tossed out for making voting mandatory? There are many countries where voting is mandatory. And the political parties are in tact.


User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Thread starter):
GOP corruption will be a huge factor in 15 House seats. Unprecedented.

Interesting perspective, here in AL it's the opposite. Several Dems including our most recent ex-governor, several Jefferson County commision members, Richard Scrushy, etc. are currently convicted and awaiting sentencing on a wide variety of charges.

In the meantime, the corruption in the state legislature among the Dems has reached the point that it looks likely that at least 2-3 dozen sitting members will be prosecuted in the near future for corruption dealing with the fact that they are sitting or chairing committees that directly have the power of funding second jobs they have accepted while serving in the legislature, i.e. high dollar "recruiter" or "publicist" for a 2 year college.

Currently more than 1/3 of our legislature or an immediate family member are taking money directly from the 2 year college system and making the funding decisions at the same time. To be fair, two or three of the offenders are Republicans as well

I know this will be foreign to you, but here's a source:

http://www.al.com/search/index.ssf?/...00.xml?birminghamnews?oedit&coll=2

Plenty more available as well. btw, Forget your national vs local drivel from the other thread - ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 7):
In Australia, it is the law to vote. There is always 100% turn out. The US should be the same. People might just then, take a good look at who is running, the issues at hand and get their voices heard.

Very bad idea! I've lived in one place where this was the case and the result is that you have people who have no business voting essentially selling their vote. If you don't care enough to follow the issues and vote on your own, then your vote is not worth having. Face it, you can't give a person morality via legislation and you can't make a person care about an election by requiring a vote.



Where are all of my respected members going?
User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Thread starter):

Artie, you're going to be laughing out of the other side of your mouth at this time on Wednesday. It has happened before that the polls and those reporting them have been wrong.

How do you like your crow? I'll bet your belly is STILL full after the king-sized portion ANC served you last week!



User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
HEY! ARTIE, HOW ABOUT THAT EISENHOWER CARRIER BATTLE GROUP? NORMAL DEPLOYMENT THROUGH THE STRAIGHTS OF HORMUZ OR WHAT? READY TO SAY IT WAS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING ON YOUR PART????????

Fluffer,

Why can't you answer the question? Does your tin foil hat prevent it?

Chirp, chirp, chirp...


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