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Evangelical Leader Quits After Gay Allegation  
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Evangelical leader quits after gay sex allegation
Ted Haggard, accused of affair with gay man, resigns from national post


COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The Rev. Ted Haggard stepped down as president of the influential National Association of Evangelicals on Thursday after being accused of carrying on an affair with a gay man.

Haggard also stepped down as head of his 14,000-member New Life Church pending an investigation by a church panel, saying he could "not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

I was just reading this story, Dtw.  Smile

Very easily could be bogus, but too early to tell. If it is true, it's a scandal that the evangelical movement does not need.

I'll reserve judgement on this one.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
Very easily could be bogus, but too early to tell. If it is true, it's a scandal that the evangelical movement does not need.

Do I feel a bit of Shadenfruede? Yes, I do.

If it is true, I won't feel bad for the guy at all.

It the allegations are false, well we shall see.


User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
... it's a scandal that the evangelical movement does not need ...

Actually, I believe it is a scandal that they desperately need.

They need to quit fearing and judging the rest of the world, and start examining themselves for a change. Maybe something like this will cause them to do that, at least in COS.



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User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 3):

Actually, I believe it is a scandal that they desperately need.

They need to quit fearing and judging the rest of the world, and start examining themselves for a change. Maybe something like this will cause them to do that, at least in COS.

 checkmark  !

-DrDeke



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

Seems to me if the allegations weren't true the good Rev. would be putting up a bigger fight. Another case of do as I tell you, and not what I do.

User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

As much as I'd love to see any of these righties brought low because I think most of them are hypocrites and act like the moneychangers in the temple that Jesus would want to kick out (Especially Falwell and Pat Robertson) this story has some holes.

I mean he just "discovered: that

"Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage."

I smell a rat.



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 6):
The typical "He's a Christian so therefore he is guilty" mentality of the left.

I guess innocent till proven guilty doesn't apply to Christians, conservatives, or Republicans.   

Although I'm glad to see Falcon didn't instantly jump on the guilty bandwagon.

Did you see anyone on here say that the man is guilty? Do you just block out the word "IF" from your vocabulary?



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Just watched Mr. Haggard's interview with KUSA in Denver. While I will not make any judgements of his guilt, what struck me initially was the fact that had I not known what the interview was about, I would have thought they were interviewing a gay man. Mr. Haggard is more effeminate than my sister. Watch his interview here:

http://www.kusa.com/acm_news.aspx?OS...76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf

It's quite lengthy.

One more thing worth noting. His denial of the accusations reminded me of President Clintons denial. Mr. Haggard says at one point, " I did not have sex........with a gay man in Denver". But what about in Arvada, Aurora, Highlands Ranch?  Smile

Aloha,
HALFA

[Edited 2006-11-03 04:13:44]


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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

More on this story.
Turns out, the gay prostitute that is accusing Reverend Haggard of paying him for sex, had messages from Mr. Haggard on his telephone voice mail. These phone messages were then given to Denver television station KUSA, who then hired a voice identification expert to compare. The expert has concluded that the messages left on the gay prostitutes voice mail came from the Reverend Haggard. It all sounds pretty damning, pardon the pun.  Smile
The news story video is here:

http://www.kusa.com/acm_news.aspx?OS...76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf

Aloha,
HALFA



Don't mess with Texas....We just may do that!
User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Hell I'll bite (so to speak):

So he DOES admit to some indiscretions, but which ones? Smoking meth or smoking pole? In Denver? In Littleton?

Oh BTW, this man was voted one of the Time Magazine's top 25 influential evangelicals last year AND has weekly telephone chats with George W about "religious matters."

Thanks Mr. Jones, you've given us all an early Christmas present this year (I guess some hookers do have hearts of gold after all!!!!!)

Is it too early to say GUILTY AS SIN now? (um, again, so to speak....)



http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/4557411.html


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

No 'Christian' is perfect. They are human. Real Christians will forgive this man for his sins. Whatever makes a person Gay/Lesbian is a subject of great debate and it is difficult for people to restrain themselves with dealing with their feelings. At least in this case apparently he had relations, effectively adultery and thus a mortal sin, with another adult and not boys. Still, a leader or minister of a faith must set a good example or leave such roles to keep their followers. They also shouldn't be talking to a sitting President with advice on his policies unless they are open about their situation in such matters.
We have seen 1000's of Roman Catholic priests in the world whom were involved in totally immoral and sinful acts of sexual assult upon minor boys and girls and the damage both in it's authority and finances of the Church from that. A number priests and ministers of other faiths have also done similar acts, damaging themselves and their ministries. In many cases it was the cover up, fear of scandal being placed upon those ministries, making quiet payments to victims that hurt them. Of course this is nothing new, and I am quite sure that has been a problem for as long as mankind has been around.


User currently offlineEastern L1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 127 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

I am sure the devil made him do it.  Yeah sure

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Here's some more juicy stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zbCTLK01wk&eurl=

Hear it and laugh.

Ho, ho, ho.

Merry Christmas to all of us.


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

The male prostitute he was having sex with was 49 years old? Aren't prostitutes supposed to be young, and ummm, well..... hot?

Maybe he was getting a discount...


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 14):
The male prostitute he was having sex with was 49 years old? Aren't prostitutes supposed to be young, and ummm, well..... hot?

Yeah, but this guy was a hunky muscular older "daddy" type.

There appears to be a demand for that. Its the equivalent of the "experienced" female hooker who after her youth disappears segueways into niche territory like dominatrix mama and the sort.

Maybe his face doesn't say George Clooney, but he does have a killer bod, and maybe he's got a lot going on in the meatstick department too. Who knows?

Perhaps, when the good Reverend was in a grip under Mr Jones massive biceps, he had a real religious experience and screamed: "OH JESUS ! OH GOD!"

[Edited 2006-11-03 19:44:32]

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 13):
Ho, ho, ho.

Yes - in this case, quite literally. Well one ho anyway.

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 14):
The male prostitute he was having sex with was 49 years old? Aren't prostitutes supposed to be young, and ummm, well..... hot?

You'd think so, but one glance at Cornish would destroy that little illusion once and for all !


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

According to CNN, Haggard claims he bought meth but didn't use it and went to the prostitute for a massage.



What a crock of crap. The leader of US evangelists cant come to grips with the fact the he's gay. He'll admit to crytal meth, because ,after all that's on the phone answering machine, but bare backing? Where's the tape? Oh, and Falwell claims he doesn't know Haggard. Despite the fact the met Bush together in the Oval office.

This GOP implosion is almost surreal.

[Edited 2006-11-03 20:38:34]

[Edited 2006-11-03 20:39:28]

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Just on CNN he just admitted to buying meth, but didn't do it because it was wrong. He got it from a guy who was going to give him a massage. The hotel referred him to Haggard.

Seems like the water is getting deeper and darker.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineRAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting Csavel (Reply 6):
act like the moneychangers in the temple that Jesus would want to kick out

...AND the homosexuals that he would also call "sinners".



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 19):
Quoting Csavel (Reply 6):
act like the moneychangers in the temple that Jesus would want to kick out

...AND the homosexuals that he would also call "sinners".

Don't recall him ever saying that.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda.

But he didn'ta.

Me thinks that the Messiah wouldn't exactly like it if some mere earthling started to attribute BS to him. Lord knows, he may smite you down. But judging by the intelligence of your post, looks like he already did.

So stick the BS where it belongs.


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

I hope this knocks some sense into Bible beaters. How fraudulent their beliefs are.

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 11):
Real Christians will forgive this man for his sins

I don't think this man's critics are so much concerned with his "sins" unless that would mean the sin of holier-than-thouing. In a secular world hypocrisy is more of a "sin" than sexual foibles.

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 14):
The male prostitute he was having sex with was 49 years old? Aren't prostitutes supposed to be young, and ummm, well..... hot?

Well consider it an economy measure. By having a less desirable partner he could combine the sin with the penance. "But I didn't enjoy it!"

A simple economy, like Kerry when he simultaneously sided with gays and outed Cheney's daughter.



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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

I said last night that I would reserve judgement on the good Reverend Haggard, but this just in, he's guilty as sin!  
Come on, is this the best he can come up with? He says he bought the meth but threw it out without using it? He's starting to sound like Clinton's " I never inhaled" excuse.
And more, in his phone message, he says " I'd like to get some more supply, meaning, this wasn't his first purchase.
And he wants a massage so of all of the massage therapists and spas in Denver, he chooses a gay prostitute?

Just last night he claimed he
A) Had never met Mr. Jones.
B) Has never taken drugs, "not even in high school".
C) Does not know any gay men, nor has he had gay sex.

Well it's clear that the first two things he claimed to be true were lies, and I'm having serious doubts about the gay sex denial.
This man is clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Aloha,
HALFA

[Edited 2006-11-03 21:22:10]


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):
Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 21):
hope this knocks some sense into Bible beaters. How fraudulent their beliefs are.

Your an Idiot .. thanks

And such an imbicellic answer make you what?-a Rhoads Scholar?  Yeah sure


25 Post contains images JGPH1A : Very good ! Sometimes you just have to think that religion is God's way of punishing the terminally gormless
26 Post contains images Confuscius : I suggest Rev. Haggard go to alcohol rehab. BTW, is he related to Merle?
27 QB001 : The reverend now admits he bought drug (crystal meth) for the gay prostitute, but denies he had sex with him. Maybe he has a clintonian view about "ha
28 Post contains images Johnboy : Wow...first Ann Coulter up for possible felony charges, now this purty minister caught with his hands up the nookie jar. Maybe there IS a god after al
29 Post contains links HALFA : Just watched his latest admissions to Denver's KUSA reporter. http://www.kusa.com/ He says a hotel in Denver referred him to the gay prostitute for a
30 Post contains images Kalakaua : The Amish forgives.
31 ArtieFufkin : I was away for awhile. Did we have a winger go postal again?
32 Post contains images JGPH1A : They're going off like popcorn here. Wait till Tuesday ! We'll be scraping holier-than-thou off the ceiling
33 Post contains images Confuscius : Here's a picture of Rev. Haggard (center). Umm, I'm not sure but the guy on the right looks familiar.
34 Post contains images Johnboy : Perhaps the unofficial White House concierge Jeff Gannon recommended him to Rev Haggard.....FOR A MASSAGE!
35 Dtwclipper : This is getting more and more interesting! The Rev. Ted Haggard has been forced out as pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church, whose board cited
36 Post contains links HALFA : Here is the press release from New Life Church announcing Haggard's dismissal. http://www.9news.com/pdfs/pressrelease110606.pdf Aloha, HALFA
37 ArtieFufkin : In light of this, shouldn't we be asking the right wingers on these boards to pledge that the are not engaging in homosexual sex before spouting off a
38 Post contains links Dtwclipper : But it isn't Blanche, it isn't! I know it's wrong of me to get enjoyment out of this....but I AM!!!! Haggard confesses to 'lifelong' sexual problem E
39 Post contains links HALFA : Here is the video of Mr. Haggard's letter being read to his flock at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs. In one word.........Pathetic. http://www
40 AerospaceFan : What's pathetic about it?
41 TedTAce : I didn't realize who this thread was about until I saw it on the news this morning. This guy makes me want to puke.. What a fucking Hypocrite. How any
42 Post contains links AerospaceFan : Well, I guess the people over at places like http://www.afsc.org/ or http://www.mazon.org/ should just pack up and take a hike, then. BTW, The Americ
43 HALFA : In his letter to his congregation, he states that he has a sexual problem. This is not his problem. His problem is that for his entire life, Christia
44 AerospaceFan : Rejection of the homosexual lifestyle is one element of the religious right, that much is true. But I think it's all too easy to say that if only the
45 Jamincan : I dislike a hypocrite as much as the next person; however, I can't help but feel a little sorry for Mr. Haggard. I grew up in a conservative, evangeli
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