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Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace  
User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Apparently us Brits believe only Bin Laden is a bigger threat to world peace than George W Bush.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html

74 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4761 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

In related news, the Earth revolves around the Sun.  duck 

Oh, and when asked for his opinion...




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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Well, I was just recently reading how a majority of Americans thought the Jews were more dangerous to world peace than any other group before WWII. The lesson:

The majority is not always correct.

"Several surveys taken from 1940 to 1946 found that Jews were seen as a greater threat to the welfare of the United States than any other national, religious, or racial group. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-semitism#United_States


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
The majority is not always correct.

They are in a democracy. That's how it works.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 3):
They are in a democracy

They majority wins, but they still dont always make the correct decision. After all, GWB won the majority in 2004, but you wouldnt agree that it was the correct decision.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 1):
Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

In related news, the Earth revolves around the Sun.

In further related news, Dick flatly denies that the earth revolves about anything.


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

So a group of newspapers that generally has a poor opinion of the Bush found 4000 people out of about 140,000,000 who also have a poor opinion of the Bush. Forgive me if I am not overwhelmed by this amazing bit of journalism.


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User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

It ain't just the Brits....


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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 12):
So a group of newspapers that generally has a poor opinion of the Bush found 4000 people out of about 140,000,000 who also have a poor opinion of the Bush. Forgive me if I am not overwhelmed by this amazing bit of journalism.

If you were to bother to follow similar polls with similar results carried out over dozens of countries since about 2003, you might not be overwhelmed, but you should realise that the polls are probably representative of something. To appropriate a set of polls that have been going for yonks as an attempt to pervert the course of the true love of the US electorate for the GOP is mind blowing. Thanks, I was running out of ways of having my mind blown.

Interestingly Indonesia, India and China all think that the US considers other countries interests in its policies 63% to 69% than the UK 32%

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?PageID=803

I guess you remember the remark of a fond mother watching a military parade, "why is our Johnny the only one in step?"


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 14):
If you were to bother to follow similar polls with similar results carried out over dozens of countries since about 2003, you might not be overwhelmed, but you should realise that the polls are probably representative of something.

They are representative of the fact that Bush isn't popular around the world. Is that some kind of news flash we've all been unaware of?


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2803 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

If it comes from he UK, the USAs closest ally, then we better do something.

User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

Many consider him as the Mesiyah !
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineCF188A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Same headline on Canadian news today. But with Canadians believe rather than Brits

User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 12):
So a group of newspapers that generally has a poor opinion of the Bush found 4000 people out of about 140,000,000 who also have a poor opinion of the Bush. Forgive me if I am not overwhelmed by this amazing bit of journalism.

Don't blame the mirror if you're ugly.


User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2542 times:
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Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 3):
They are in a democracy. That's how it works.

Actually, we are a republic  Wink

Good Day  Smile

Russell



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
They are representative of the fact that Bush isn't popular around the world. Is that some kind of news flash we've all been unaware of?

Indeedy, no. Which is why Reply #1 was the most apposite.  angel 


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 20):
Actually, we are a republic

I've heard that before on a.net, and yet the two concepts are not mutually exclusive. America is a "republic" as opposed to a monarchy, yet a monarchy can also be a democracy (e.g. the UK). Americans have the right to vote, therefore they live in a democracy. They don't have a king, therefore they live in a republic.

Funnily enough, in Greek (where both the word and the concept of democracy originated), the word "demokratia" means "republic".


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
The majority is not always correct.

Very true. As evidenced by the 2000 and 2004 U.S. presidential elections.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 22):

Funnily enough, in Greek (where both the word and the concept of democracy originated), the word "demokratia" means "republic".

Democracy (literally "rule by the people", from the Greek δῆμος demos, "people," and κράτος kratos, "rule")


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 14):
If you were to bother to follow similar polls with similar results carried out over dozens of countries since about 2003,

I have been watching these poll, I just haven't seen anything new. The trend since 2003 has been negative, but if you go back further, you see that support on various issues waxes and wanes. Just as my opinions of other countries and their actions change over time, I expect thier opinion to change. In short, sometimes we disagree more than others. I don't want my country to be some sort of hostage to popular opinion, chasing after everyone elses approval. You end up expending lots of resources on things that don't benefit your own citizens in the long run. In three more years the same poll would come back different. Same goes for three years after that.



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
Brits Believe Bush Is A Danger To World Peace

If Brits believe so ...What would be Middle Eastern belief about Bush ?
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Personally I believe Muslims are a bigger threat. But that's just me...
P.S. Bush is also bad.  Wink



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User currently offlineVANGUARD737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 683 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Yep, it's Bush!

Not AlQueda
Not Osama bin Laden
Not Islamofacism
Not ignorance
Not fanatacism
Not terrorist appeasers
Not terror in general

It's George W. Bush...  Yeah sure

gimme a break boys

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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
believe only Bin Laden is a bigger threat to world peace than George W Bush

isn't that obvious ?

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 4):
After all, GWB won the majority in 2004

in the USA. He would have lost out in almost all countries in the world except Saudi Arabia

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 28):
Yep, it's Bush!
Not alQaeda
Not Osama bin Laden
Not ignorance
Not fanatism

It is NOT Bush, it is Bushism, terrorism, fanatism, ignorance


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 28):
Yep, it's Bush!

Not AlQueda
Not Osama bin Laden
Not Islamofacism
Not ignorance
Not fanatacism
Not terrorist appeasers
Not terror in general

It's George W. Bush...

Could it be because he has managed to make each item you list just a little bit worse than it already was ? That's quite an achievement.


25 HatTrick : Oh dear! So I suppose some Neo Con in the Senate will now propose that the official language of the United States become..........American.
26 Post contains images JGPH1A : In the Congressional cafeteria, breakfast bread items will be renamed Freedom Muffins.
27 Post contains images Leezyjet : When you actually bother to stop for a minute and see why these people are pi$$ed off, then I would bet that 99% of Americans would be pi$$ed if they
28 PSA53 : I'll accept that.If you take a look at Republican administrations(Bush senior,Reagan,as well) vs.Democrat,no wonder why the rest of the world like Dem
29 AndesSMF : OK, please give examples of who in the world would not want to live in our way and why? Are you trying to compare Sharia law to the typical way of li
30 JGPH1A : I don't want to live your way. I'm quite happy knowing that the guy I flip off on the highway probably ISN'T carrying a firearm. I quite like sociali
31 AndesSMF : What in the world are you even talking about? What have you been reading from your side of the world? Those stories left the news many years ago. My
32 Post contains images JGPH1A : In an emergency. And if you can pay, you will. How many millions of American don't have that luxury ? You can do that, but it is an illegal act. Imag
33 AndesSMF : And what is wrong with that? As compared to how many do? And how many people get prosecuted for doing exactly that? Then why did you use the 'lumbere
34 JGPH1A : Health care should be a right, not a privilege. From covertheuninsured.com: "The problem of the uninsured is growing worse. The federal government es
35 ME AVN FAN : Where somebody is born is irrelevant in Swiss law. To be born in Switzerland does NOT mean that you become Swiss citizen, UNLESS one of your parents
36 ME AVN FAN : Here for your information the rules of the Canton of Berne (fairly average): Wie ist die Wohnsitzdauer geregelt? How long have you to be here ? ï¿
37 Halls120 : While I agree that we shouldn't resort to being a bully, I categorically reject your suggestion that we should conform our culture, our nation, and o
38 ME AVN FAN : you have NOT to conform your "culture" and your nation to others, you just should abstain from trying to press your "culture" upon others Mickey Mous
39 Post contains images Halls120 : So we've forced Starbucks and McDonald's on you?
40 Baroque : Hey JG want a job as an amanuensis? Not sure we can manage the non two party bit, have to await our own next Fed elections to be sure about that. And
41 Post contains images JGPH1A : Maybe - but I don't take dictation, I don't make coffee, and windows is extra ! I think that's a great system - democracy infers responsibiities as w
42 Baroque : I suspect that is why this coming US election is attracting a considerable amount of interest here. For whatever reason, the Aus electorate is not re
43 Post contains links OzGlobal : Me. Whilst people are people and we cannot pre-jugde individuals, culture on the other hand can be critiqued objectively: Whilst it has good elements
44 Halls120 : What kind of cheese would you like to go along with your whine? My guess is that you are just another frenchman who is pissed that France long ago lo
45 JGPH1A : Wait up, you missed one. You forget to remind him to thank you for WW1, WW2, etc etc. That whole tedious, predictable rant loses all it's charm witho
46 OzGlobal : No Halls, wrong. To answer your question, all of your 'guesses' above are, in fact, wrong: - Not French - Speak English as first language, just like
47 Aaron747 : Recommended reading for the genesis of this thread and nearly all opinions therein: Rogue Nation: Unilateralism and the Failure of Good Intentions by
48 Baroque : Being a gentleman he would probably would like a Jindi Brie, too polite to want a stiff cheese! I imagine he fumes every morning at the passing of L'
49 JGPH1A : I know I do ! Bloody peasants...
50 OzGlobal : Actually its 1/2 length and Nepoleon III; ....and I'm rather partial to a nice chèvre or Roquefort.[Edited 2006-11-04 17:07:34]
51 Post contains images JGPH1A : - like licking farm animals ! I leave that to Kirkie.
52 ME AVN FAN : Not really, but GWB, who would have lost elections in Europe and the Arab World even against Donald Duck by 1:3 ! -
53 Post contains images Halls120 : no, I don't expect thanks for those events - not in this thread at least. My apologies. I was just going by what your profile says. Other than being
54 OzGlobal : Sometimes, some of your compatriots are open in their conviction that the rest of the world is in a lesser state of evolution, on its way toward arri
55 AirPacific747 : How right they are..
56 Thomson735 : Hmmm think u need 2 take into consideration that if Osama B and his other buddies had the power that GWB had then well this world mite just be a quite
57 OzGlobal : "Halls120 From United States, joined Jun 2005, 4546 posts, RR: 39 Reply 8, posted Wed Nov 16 2005" "Individually, the french citizens I know and work
58 Halls120 : LOL, isn't that the truth. Let's see - I said all the french citizens I know are pretty good people, singling out only government officials acting in
59 Post contains images Leezyjet : That is exactly the point I was trying to make. The US assumes that everybody wants to live their way, when in reality alot of places don't. If a cou
60 Halls120 : I agree. If Iraq teaches us anything, it is that forcing democracy on people who are ready for it/don't want it is a fools errand. Concur. My first t
61 Cedars747 : I am not British ,but I believe the same ! Alex!!!
62 Post contains images Klaus : Yeah. First screw up, then blame the victims. I guess once one's moral authority has finally been demolished, anything goes...
63 Halls120 : I wasn't blaming Iraq. I was blaming us...... Guess your "blame the US mentality" is in overdrive.
64 Klaus : You were calling the iraqi population unworthy of your benign ministrations. In light of recent (and not so recent) events that is more than just sli
65 Halls120 : I never said they were unworthy. That is your assessment.
66 Klaus : In that case you're in dire need of clarification:
67 Halls120 : Perhaps I could have been less cryptic, but in any event, my intent was to set forth the concept that instilling democratic government by force is ra
68 Klaus : Nice quotes. But the more esoteric contemplations remain light years away when even the most basic decisions have been botched completely right from
69 AndesSMF : Democratization by just letting the population evolve is certainly something that has occurred plenty in the world in the last several decades, witne
70 OzGlobal : Let's see - "on a professional level" and "as a country" is about as close to an assessment of culture and you can get. You distinguish only individu
71 OzGlobal : Very well said. Most agree that democracy cannot be 'exported'. It's refreshing to see such a clear elucidation of the reasons why.
72 Halls120 : Hey, there have been many posts I wish I hadn't hit the "post" button on. The one you cites isn't one of them. I take the universe of french governme
73 Post contains links Baroque : Well can I suggest that if you try Jindi double Brie and patiently wait while it warms to the best viscosity for taste, this will enable you to conte
74 VANGUARD737 : Sense when is the American Law system the law systme of Saudi Arabia? Really? That's funny! Because I LIKE KNOWING that if some guy breaks into my ho
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