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Military Times Calls For Rumsfeld's Resignation  
User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

This story is Breaking as I type...

The group in their Monday release will call for the resignation or firing of Donald Rumsfeld citing NO CONFIDENCE.....This includes the Army Times along with Navy Marines and Air Force.

This administration has lost its credibility....


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

I've been calling for his resignation for years . . .

I think, by God, Randy Smith, we may have our FIRST agreement here . . . . at least as far as Rummy . . .  faint .

The dictator at the Pentagon needs to be beheaded . . . he has destroyed the Pentagon, and he's killing troops . . . .

Time to go Rummy.

And this is a big deal . . . publishers of the Army, Navy and Air Force Times all calling for Rumsfeld to go . . . and this WILL get to the field.

Wanna see the backlash . . .

Rumsfeld needs to go . . . . about two years ago . . .


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
publishers of the Army, Navy and Air Force Times all calling for Rumsfeld to go

Just out of interest, how "official" are these publications ? Are they privately owned or are they published by an government or military agency ?


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

The backlash from this will be interesting. But you know unfortunately, he will be in place until 08 unless he is found in bed with a dead woman, or a live boy.
Bush blindly trusts him, and public opinion, even if it is from the troops doesnt mean jack to our CIC. He just might be the most unpopular person in America. At least in the political realm. Hell I dont like Hillary, but I would buy her dinner before I would not be able to see him in person and not chastise him.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
Just out of interest, how "official" are these publications ? Are they privately owned or are they published by an government or military agency ?

Privately owned, BUT . . . BIGGGG but, an official unofficial of every branch of the military . . . and VERY WELL respected amongst the ranks. Usually has the spot on, ball accurate answer . . . and very unbiased reporting about the military and it's goings on.

EXAMPLE: The Army chastised Rummy pretty heavily for his response to the young soldier in Iraq a few years ago about add-on armor for Hummers . . .you recall that do you not.

Although not an "official" DoD publication, much, much inside info and it's accurate. I still - obviously - subscribe.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 3):

I don't like retaking old terrain, but for a moment I'll tell you I worked at the Pentagon under Rummy . . . an autocratic, dictatorial, uber-arrogant ass. Far too many senior Flag and General Officers retired - en masse' - rather than work for him. He summarily fired the CoS, Army for disagreeing with him . . . on and on and on . . .

I'm trying to watch this week's Battlestar and answer this too . . .  silly  . . .


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):Just out of interest, how "official" are these publications ? Are they privately owned or are they published by an government or military agency ?
Privately owned, BUT . . . BIGGGG but, an official unofficial of every branch of the military . . . and VERY WELL respected amongst the ranks. Usually has the spot on, ball accurate answer . . . and very unbiased reporting about the military and it's goings on.

I agree. This might be what it takes to convince Bush's handlers that Rumsfled needs to go. Maybe Rummy will do the honorable thing and resign.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

Well if only Bush was running for re-election then Rummy might get the Ax!


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I've been calling for his resignation for years . . .

Been there with you, although I did see Ann Coulter once on TV claim that Rummy is the best SOD ever. Ugh!

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Rumsfeld needs to go . . . . about two years ago . . .

Before more careers are ruined and more military personnel are dead due to lack of planning, funding, etc on Rummy's part.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6841 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

It's time for Donald to Duck and take cover! Should'ave replaced him years back!

Mandala499



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
Just out of interest, how "official" are these publications ? Are they privately owned or are they published by an government or military agency ?

Owned by Gannett Publications which is the same company that runs USA Today. They're about as far left as the New York Times when it comes to view of the current administration.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I think, by God, Randy Smith, we may have our FIRST agreement here . .

I was thinking the same thing when I saw the headline on this thread!  Smile

Quoting B757300 (Reply 9):
Owned by Gannett Publications which is the same company that runs USA Today. They're about as far left as the New York Times when it comes to view of the current administration.

Maybe those papers are, Mr. Rightie, but the Military Times, I imagine, isn't about as far left as they come.

Stop kissing Rummy's ass, B757300. 3 Out of 4 conservatives and liberals on this forum think it's time for him to go. Give it up.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7951 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I've been calling for his resignation for years . . .

Right, but I believe that won't happen, soon. As long as Mr. Rumsfeld takes the incoming fire, the only critique President Bush faces is that of being too loyal. As soon as Mr. Rumsfeld leaves the government, the President can no longer hide behind him.

Sure, it's a theory, but it would explain why Bush keeps Rumsfeld in office.



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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 9):
Owned by Gannett Publications which is the same company that runs USA Today. They're about as far left as the New York Times when it comes to view of the current administration.

Hold on a minute, though. What does Gannet have to do with this? The Indianapolis Star is a Gannet publication, and they're not a left-leaning publication (not that I know, at least). Maybe the USAToday would do something like that (I kind of doubt it, though - Al Neuharth may be mostly liberal, but he usually keeps the opinions way back on the editorial pages in the back of the main section). Currently, I would not agree with your remark, unless you could show me how Gannet (through some of their other publications) is known for spreading its liberal ilk without restraint.

-R


User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

What do you guys think about former Sec of Defense Cohen, replacing Rumsfeld?


I don't know, It just seemed like Cohen knew what he was doing.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 9):
Owned by Gannett Publications which is the same company that runs USA Today. They're about as far left as the New York Times when it comes to view of the current administration.

Actually, a UCLA study found that of all the sources of print media, USA Today was the most centrist. Not that that changes my view of them as a dumbed-down, drivel-ridden rag written for the TV generation.

Seriously, pick up a copy each of USA Today and the NY Times. Read them side-by-side and you'll wonder - just as I did - whether Scotty has taken up a career in journalism.  Wink

And don't make generalizations about the Military Times just because of their corporate parent. Gannett owns nearly 100 newspapers across the nation and only ArtieFunkin would be daft enough to suspect some sort of mass conspiracy.  banghead 



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User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 13):
What do you guys think about former Sec of Defense Cohen, replacing Rumsfeld?

I'd be okay with that, but I think that's extremely unlikely for a couple of reasons.

First, Bush has a very strong tendency to make senior level appointments from his inner circle. Cohen is most definately not in that club.

Second, attracting a quality candidate is going to be very tough I think. There is nothing more sure to ruin your political career and your reputation in DC right now than being associated with the Bush Administration and the war in Iraq.

I won't be surprised if Rumsfeld stays for the duration.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 3):
The backlash from this will be interesting. But you know unfortunately, he will be in place until 08 unless he is found in bed with a dead woman, or a live boy.

You mean a dead boy would be acceptable...?  eyebrow 

Well, the main reason for Rummy's continued tenure is probably the fear that the whole administration could come down once one of the cards at its foundation was removed...!  mischievous 


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2834 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
Just out of interest, how "official" are these publications ? Are they privately owned or are they published by an government or military agency ?

ANC beat me to it, privately owned and there are versions for all the branches. Consider them on the same level as say a Western Flyer newspaper to aviation.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2832 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 17):
ANC beat me to it, privately owned and there are versions for all the branches.

Thanks for the information, everyone. Since these are privately-owned publications, are they not worried they will lose access to the military by criticising the Secretary of Defence ? Even if many of the top brass actually agree with what these papers are saying, can they jeapardise their careers by continuing to cooperate with these publications after this ? Assuming that Rumsfeld doesn't actually resign, which given his record, isn't likely to happen. I thought I was resistant to reality, but this guy's a PRO !


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I've been calling for his resignation for years . . .

And voting for the guy who put him there twice?



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User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2812 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 7):
Been there with you, although I did see Ann Coulter once on TV claim that Rummy is the best SOD ever. Ugh!

That speaks volumes right there.

When you hear one or two of these calls for resignation, it doesn't get much credibility. But when you hear these calls from so many, something needs to be done. Now.


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2809 times:

He should resign and apologize for his costly mistakes. President Bush is making an unbelievable stupid decision by keeping him in the DoD.

User currently offlineTurbo7x7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Wowie, looks like this is the last "october surprise" of the campaign season, and timed RIGHT before election day!

It's been a wild ride these past five weeks, and who knows, there might be one or two twists left in this story.

Looks like this week is going to be fun!  Smile


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 18):
Since these are privately-owned publications, are they not worried they will lose access to the military by criticising the Secretary of Defence ?

We still have freedom of the press in this country dude, despite rumors to the contrary.

Even if a base commander where to prohibit the sales of it from the AAFES Bookstore (I think that would get them fired IMHO) nothing provents them being sold 15 feet out the main gate. So why bother banning it.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 23):
We still have freedom of the press in this country dude, despite rumors to the contrary.

I know, that wasn't what I was saying. I was concerned that they might not be given access to military facilities and personnel for reporting purposes - interviews, etc. This would be their main source of material, I guess.


25 L-188 : I am sure there have been many hissy-fits in the past. But they are a newspaper owned by a chain, so they have all the access to the same news wires t
26 JGPH1A : I doubt very much they have gained the respect they seem to have by relying simply on news wires. As a specialist publication, access to military ins
27 Cfalk : While I agree that Rummy should leave (been saying it since 2004), this is not a proper criteria for wanting him fired. For me, it's Iraq and it's me
28 Halls120 : If you exclude Rumsfeld's miserable Iraq performance, he has been an exemplary SecDef. His attempts to reorganize the Pentagon's bloated bureaucracy
29 Post contains links Rsmith6621a : Here is a Link To The Editorial..... http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2333360.php "One rosy reassurance after another has been handed dow
30 Post contains images ANCFlyer : More worthless input - naturally . . . . Where's that LOSER emoticon when you need it. . . . Well, I get mine in the US Mail and via the web-site. Ca
31 VANGUARD737 : Judging from our previous "fire-side chats" you are, don't worry. Cheers!
32 JGPH1A : Ookay - if you say so, your holiness. Let me know when the rapture comes, I'll be sure to wave.
33 Post contains images VANGUARD737 : Oh JGPH1A, as The Bible, says - no man will no the exact day or hour. Life will continue as it has continued to the very second of the glorious retur
34 Halls120 : Not any more. USA Today has moved out to a new complex just west of the beltway alongside the Dulles Access Road. I think Northrop Grumman and ABC 7
35 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Didn't know that. . . .
36 Post contains links Aaron747 : A typical, if not expected, reaction from both the Pentagon and the President's loyal terrier... White House spokesman Tony Snow said the president wa
37 SATX : This bullshit about Rummy is just a diversion away from the crew that put him there. The Bush backers use Rummy as a scapegoat, but in reality he's no
38 Bushpilot : Certainly not, it is a quote attributed to Huey Long, the former Gov. of Louisiana. He was corrupt as anyone in American political history arguably.
39 ANCFlyer : Again, not germain to the topic. You wanna discuss Rumsfeld or who I voted for??? Trolling for ANCFlyer posts is your usual tack however, so press fo
40 ME AVN FAN : I suppose, GWB will retain him until the evening of 19th January 2009. As his resignation possibly might force GWB and Cheney to resign from office w
41 Post contains images ANCFlyer : PotUS has already said that will be the case . . . old news MAF. No way in hell. Short of a dead body in Bush's office - no not Cheney after his tick
42 Post contains images JGPH1A : It's not the stupidity of the elected that determines that, it's the stupidity of the electors
43 Post contains images ANCFlyer : While I won't take exception to that, because I like you I would submit to you that I would feel like a complete jackass for having voted for someone
44 Post contains images JGPH1A : Yes, well - nobody said the other guy was God's gift either. Politicians as a species are weak, venal, easily influenced and utterly unreliable - we
45 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Same answer - different Democrat . . . Mr. I Invented the Internet, or Save the Whales, or No drilling in ANWR, or . . . . . I have voted Democrat fo
46 JGPH1A : I'm personally in favour of a "Nominate Your Own" system, where everyone gets to name one person (can be absolutely anyone) to be President, and whoe
47 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I don't dispute YOUR reason. I dispute damn near every other reason I've heard. Remember, I live/work there. I have yet to see a tree that needs savi
48 DrDeke : Since we're beating dead horses here, I feel inclined to point out that Al Gore NEVER claimed to have invented the Internet. He said: "During my serv
49 JGPH1A : I disagree - it is a powerful statement about protecting the environment if you deliberately choose to protect a bit that ISN'T pretty, isn't full of
50 ANCFlyer : Of course, I respect your thoughts here . . . I agree with them in principal, really. I disagree with those that are ignorant of what ANWR really is,
51 Post contains images JGPH1A : I only know what it looks like because you've discussed this before, so I looked it up on the web. Yes it's not Nature's grandest majesty, but it's N
52 Halls120 : After we invaded Iraq, I thought Bush would clearly be a one term President. Until the democrats nominated a candidate that was more pathetic than Al
53 ANCFlyer : Neither are the Prudhoe Bay, WestPack and other fields. I guess - since you're a smart guy - you know that the days of the huge oil pumping rigs that
54 JGPH1A : Actually I didn't know that (not too much oil drilling where I've lived in the past) - I've only seen oil derricks out in California, and this was a
55 Halls120 : Part of the problem is that most people have no idea just how large the Alaska wilderness is, and how small a footprint the oil drilling actually occ
56 Itsjustme : Hey, shouldn't Ted "It's a series of tubes" Stevens name be in there somewhere, too?
57 JGPH1A : There is a principle at stake though. Either a declared national wildlife reserve is protected by the federal government, in its entirety, or it isn'
58 Halls120 : I agree that a principle is at stake. however, the principles involved are often manipulated by all sides in situations like these. Take for instance
59 JGPH1A : It probably would be - it would still be wrong. Like I said before, if they discovered a cure for cancer under the North Slope, drill away - but oil
60 SATX : It's too bad that your good friend (and moderator) KROC apparently won't let me respond to this without deleting my post. I'm not sure why you're all
61 ANCFlyer : KROC has nothing to do with it. . . Check your package, post what you feel is necessary . . . all you do it troll for my posts anyway, I haven't seen
62 Post contains images KaiGywer : ANCFlyer for president
63 JGPH1A : I know I said "can be absolutely anyone", but isn't that scraping the barrel a bit ? I nominate myself as supreme Semi-Benevolent Despot of the Galax
64 Cfalk : And I nominate myself as the bodyguard who assassinates you.
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