Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1716 times:
Instead of the standard Yes/No answer, How about getting a bit more indepth opinion
1. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 1st trimester with few or no restrictions.
2. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 2nd trimester with few or no restrictions. (Fetus has working heart, brain and other organs, but is not independently viable)
3. Do you believe that Late Term Abortion (3rd Trimester) should be allowed with few on no restrictions. (Fetus is generally viable - many children are born 2-3 months early and survive with a little care)
Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1707 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter): 1. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 1st trimester with few or no restrictions.
2. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 2nd trimester with few or no restrictions. (Fetus has working heart, brain and other organs, but is not independently viable)
3. Do you believe that Late Term Abortion (3rd Trimester) should be allowed with few on no restrictions. (Fetus is generally viable - many children are born 2-3 months early and survive with a little care)
Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 34 Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1697 times:
1-Yes
2-Yes
3-No
Its not short.
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CPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5745 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1694 times:
Yes
Yes
No
The debate about late-late abortions has been triggered in Denmark, by a recent documentary that showed a doctor in Spain who was willing to perform an abortion on women who were 8 months pregnant. Iirc it also mentioned that some women, who were not able to get a legal abortion in Denmark due, had started going to the UK where abortions canbe carried out until later in the pregnancy, but damned if I can remember the difference.
Allstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1694 times:
May I deviate? I believe if men were men, fewer women would want to have an abortion - there would be a man around to support and provide - for the wife as well as the child. Society would be rid of at least half of its problems if men were just men.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1677 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter): 1. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 1st trimester with few or no restrictions.
Yes, especially in the case of rape victims. As a sidefact: in Germany, an abortion during the first trimester is the only allowed abortion. That's what I personally consider the only abortion that should be legal.
Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter): 2. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 2nd trimester with few or no restrictions. (Fetus has working heart, brain and other organs, but is not independently viable)
Unless the girl/woman could get serious health problems as a result of the pregnancy or even die, absolutely not.
Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter): 3. Do you believe that Late Term Abortion (3rd Trimester) should be allowed with few on no restrictions. (Fetus is generally viable - many children are born 2-3 months early and survive with a little care)
If it is meant as an abortion, absolutely not. However, if the girl/woman is unable to carry the baby to full term at this stage because of a health problem, which also includes a problem with the fetus which requires that it be born early, then yes.
Your questions are quite interesting and complicated to answer. Mostly, I'm all for abortion, especially for rape victims and specifically for little girls who get pregnant. It reminds me of this 9 year old girl known as Rosa, who got raped here in Costa Rica. Costa Rican authorities even wanted to prevent that she return to her home country of Nicaragua, where abortion, although technically illegal, can be performed under special circumstances. Nevertheless, she returned and the case caused quite a controversy, as Church officials declared that the doctors and the family, for having opted for this "therapeutical abortion" as it is called, were to be excommunicated and released an open letter that almost compared abortion to a terrorist bombing.
That abortion was performed in a private clinic, after the state hospitals either refused or made problems with paperwork and authorisations. The health minister of the time declared the already performed abortion as a crime, while the Attorney General legitimised this action as an "act that was performed in the interest of the girl's health". The rapist was apprehended in Turrialba, Cartago Provice, Costa Rica, but has refused to accept the charges. I couldn't find more on the outcome of this rape though.
The worst part is that Nicaragua has embarked on restricting abortion even more, although in the case of rapes, child pregnancies are something very common. Abortion is now a campaign issue for tomorrow's presidential elections.
The case of little Rosa is something that convinced me even more of how Abortion is something that should be legal in the first trimester, although I also consider it a "necessary evil". However, when it comes to the issue of abortions in the second and third trimester, I wouldn't want that unless there is a medical reason for it as I outlined in the answers to your questions above.
Airbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1668 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter): 1. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 1st trimester with few or no restrictions.
2. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 2nd trimester with few or no restrictions. (Fetus has working heart, brain and other organs, but is not independently viable)
3. Do you believe that Late Term Abortion (3rd Trimester) should be allowed with few on no restrictions. (Fetus is generally viable - many children are born 2-3 months early and survive with a little care)
Yes
Yes
No, Unless a risk to health you should know by now.
Looks like I'm first with this view, but it is where I stand.
Women get the shaft in relationships often and when they get pregnant, sometimes they want an abortion. There's a lot of dynamics involved, more than many people are often aware, I'm sure. But, you're not the only one, trust me.
FSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1634 times:
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
Explanation for No. 3: Surely, you've had enough time to work things out and decide if you can go through with birth. I know somebody who was born more than 2 months premature, and turned out to be a 100% normal kid and grew up to be a normal guy with no problems.
Furthermore, many aborted kids could have survived through birth. Beyond that, however, it is a woman's body and the law needs to know its limits. That is a private sphere, and until that baby is separated from its mother, it is still part of its mother.
Key - I don't think there should be a law against it, but I think doctor's should refuse to abort babies at that point, because of the hippocratic oath. At the third trimester, the baby is also a patient, and the doctor has an obligation to act in the best interests of both parties. 1st, the mother, 2nd, the baby. So barring any medical complications, the doctor should (and probably would prefer) to say sorry, you had 6 months to figure this out. I can't abort this baby because he is my patient now and I have to act in its best interests.
Exception: Rape. Psychological effects can be extreme, and if a rape victim wants an abortion in the 3rd trimester, then so be it. We don't know what psychological factors contributed to her thought process. No system is perfect, but a raped woman should have the right to abort her baby if she decides, 1st or 3rd trimester.
The law, however, has no place until that umbilical cord is cut.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1586 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter): 1. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 1st trimester with few or no restrictions.
Yes, absolutely. A woman has the absolute right to decide what happens to her own body.
Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter): 2. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 2nd trimester with few or no restrictions. (Fetus has working heart, brain and other organs, but is not independently viable)
Yes, for medical reasons (either for the mother's health, or if the foetus is severely impaired)
Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter): 3. Do you believe that Late Term Abortion (3rd Trimester) should be allowed with few on no restrictions. (Fetus is generally viable - many children are born 2-3 months early and survive with a little care)
Yes, for medical reasons (at this stage, the state of the foetus would already be known, so generally it would be for the sake of the mother's health, although it would have to be quite serious. In any case, it would be for the doctor and the mother to decide between them).
Duff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1549 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter): 1. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 1st trimester with few or no restrictions.
2. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 2nd trimester with few or no restrictions. (Fetus has working heart, brain and other organs, but is not independently viable)
3. Do you believe that Late Term Abortion (3rd Trimester) should be allowed with few on no restrictions. (Fetus is generally viable - many children are born 2-3 months early and survive with a little care)
1) Yes
2) No
3) No
Exception: all should be allowed in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother's health.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 23, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1541 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter): 1. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 1st trimester with few or no restrictions.
Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter): 2. Do you believe that a woman should be able to have a 2nd trimester with few or no restrictions. (Fetus has working heart, brain and other organs, but is not independently viable)
Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter): 3. Do you believe that Late Term Abortion (3rd Trimester) should be allowed with few on no restrictions. (Fetus is generally viable - many children are born 2-3 months early and survive with a little care)
Same for me, and most people in this world I would venture to say. Third trimester abortion should definately be allowed for medical reasons, but I see no point in carrying a child of rape or incest that far unless you want to have it or have been locked up and unable to access an abortion for 6 months. The restrictions on second term abortion should not be restrictions at all, rather regulation of procedure to keep the woman from being exposed to undue risk.
Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 5): I believe if men were men, fewer women would want to have an abortion - there would be a man around to support and provide - for the wife as well as the child. Society would be rid of at least half of its problems if men were just men.
What an absolutely sexist thing to say. Being around to "support and provide" doesn't make someone a "man" nor does sitting around changing diapers and baking cookies make someone a "woman".
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8): As a sidefact: in Germany, an abortion during the first trimester is the only allowed abortion.
Technically, even that is illegal, but it is not criminal.
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26 N1120A: Not exactly. Technically, any form of ending a potential or actual life is illegal in Germany, it just happens that they don't have criminal penaltie
27 RichardPrice: 1. Yes 2. Yes. 3. No - excluding medical reasons. As an additional question, should a mother be able to have a cosmetic (ie no medical reason at any s
28 JGPH1A: OK, well, I'll take your word for it. Seems a bit of an odd system to me, though. Normally laws are written to specify what is illegal, and anything
29 N1120A: No, absolutely not. While a father's role in conception as well as raising a child is indispensable, no one should be in control of a person's body b
31 JGPH1A: Only by the mother, but it is ultimately her decision alone. The old rule applies - No womb, no opinion.
32 RichardPrice: If the term 'cosmetic' offends you, then thats your problem, but I was using it purely to symbolise an abortion with no medical reason
33 N1120A: It not only offends me, but offends millions of women who make the choice. There is nothing cosmetic about it and to marginalize things that way is d
34 TedTAce: How funny a bunch of men talking about a womens issue. ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY, the only stipulation being a 1000% private counciling session
35 FXramper: 1. no 2. no 3. no Only in rape, incest, or medical conditions should abortion be available. I remember being a 13 year old high school freshman at St
36 RichardPrice: Then they (and you) really need to get off their high horse - if theres no medical reason why they cant have that baby, then its a nonmedical reason
37 RJpieces: Very interesting responses that seem to mirror how the Supreme Court has refined abortion laws over the years...
38 F.pier: 1 - NO 2 - NO 3 - NO Absolutely no. We live in 2006 and everybody know how girls become pregnant. If you don't want to become mother/father, use condo
39 N1120A: Every abortion is medical, every pregnancy is medical. Prior to the second trimester, you are talking about a goo of stem cells that is part of the m
40 Scbriml: What's your solution for a woman who becomes pregnant as a result of being raped?
41 F.pier: This is what you think. You have the right to decide when a person is a person and when it's not??
42 F.pier: To give birth to the child and give him/her for adoption.
43 N1120A: It appears you think exactly that. The difference is, I use science, you use otherwise. Yeah, it is that easy
45 F.pier: Imagine a woman, pregnant, ready to give birth to a child, 9 months. The child is a child? Yes One day before, that child was a child or not? Yes Two
46 ManuCH: 1 - Yes 2 - Yes 3 - Yes, but only after prior counseling or for medical reasons Maybe "elective" would have been a better wording. -Manuel
47 Piercey: IMHO, only way it should happen after first trimester is if one of those things happen. Call me a fence rider, but that's what I believe.
48 Scbriml: Hmm, nice for the woman. First she's raped, then you suggest she trump that experience by spending the next 9 months carrying the rapist's offspring
50 QR332: 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. No, unless the mother's life is at serious risk.
51 Charger: Last time I checked it takes 2 to tango. Anyway 1-Yes 2-Yes 3-Yes if there are severe medical problems or the woman's life is in danger, No if she ju
52 JGPH1A: Liberals ? Um, no - look again. He's AGAINST abortion...
53 An-225: 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes It is her body and her decision. Nobody else's. Alex.
57 Myt332: Ahh but it is when you start wanting maintenance!
58 GOTbound: No (Yes if the women in case was raped/moulested, other reasons no) No No Before my son was born by some reason I had no opinion in this question, but
59 LTU932: Sounds a bit confusing, but your reasoning makes sense. Do you even think that Article 1 of the German constitution also applies in this case, as str
60 TRVYYZ: It is finally the responsibility of the woman to make the choice, right or wrong. I would say all No's to state my position.
61 VANGUARD737: Abortion should be allowed ONLY in the cases of: 1) Rape 2) Incest 3) Foreseeable harm/death to mother is she gives birth Lastly, late-term (partial-b
62 TedTAce: Speaking of girls I'd like to Czech out
63 Greasespot: Here i am... 1. 2. 3. It is my body and my decision. Being pro-choice is not pro abortion. Now the true question would i have an abortion? No. While
64 Kiwiandrew: While I would prefer that their be no need for abortion at the end of the day the only opinion which actually counts ( or at least the only one that o
65 Zruda: Greasespot: clap clap clap, i couldnt have said it better! Same opinion
66 JAGflyer: I believe abortion should be done and on a case by case basis. I strongly believe abortion should be only covered for women who have provenly been rap
67 GSM763: Yes Yes Probably no (Unless it is medically required/recommended by a doctor) I probably should feel strongly against the last as I was born 2 1/2 mon
68 Kiwiandrew: what do you mean 'provenly' been raped ? What the hell is the woman supposed to do , ask her attacker to sign a statement admitting that he raped her
70 MKEdude: I don't think it makes a damn bit of difference what I, or anybody else thinks. In ALL cases abortion should be between a woman, her doctor and nobody
71 BaylorAirBear: Wow, I couldn't have said it better myself. Every word of it. BAB
72 Roger136913: 1) No- Unless it was due to rape or heatlh reasons. 2) No- Unless it was for health reasons. 3) No- Unless it was for health reasons.
74 Lowrider: 1. No 2. No 3. No Unfortunate events surrounding the conception do not take away from the fact that a fetus is still a person. How can you be pro abor
75 Kiwiandrew: it is interesting how many of the emphatic " no , no , no " responses have come from members who are : A/ Male and B/ aged 16-20 in their profiles It
76 Slovacek747: It's not a woman's choice to kill someone. Why dont you idiots get that. It's a very simple matter. Slovacek747
77 Lowrider: Calm down, thats not going to change anyone's mind. Nothing short of a baby sending in morse code from the womb will, and I am not so sure of that.
78 Scbriml: Hmm, from your profile: "Contemplating the chances of liberals going to hell." "Conservative by the grace of God." Tells us all we need to know.
79 Slovacek747: It's called responsibility kiwiandrew.. most people aren't. don't jump in bed with someone if you can't accept the outcome. no my position won't chang
80 SATX: 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes I'm neither a woman nor a doctor, WTF do I know about deciding on when to have an abortion? Thus I keep my views out of it and le
81 Greasespot: it is not Pro abortion. It is pro- Choice. Huge difference. It is me being able to decide what medical procedure I want to undergo should I chose....
84 Blackbird07: Speaking from a woman who cannot have children because of medical issues, it's a touchy subject, because it makes me sad that some people don't want,
85 Beefstew25: NO NO NO Sugarcoat it all you want, but abortion is killing a innocent living thing. I agree women have rights. But so should unborn babies. Who prote
87 Scbriml: Men expressing their opinions on this topic is asenine at best. It's interesting that the few female contributions have been by far the most telling.
88 Beefstew25: When does life start? So women can't have an opinion on male death row inmates?
89 Blackbird07: Men's opinions count very heavily on this subject. I've seen women have abortions without telling the father, and it devastated the man, because they
90 Lowrider: If men had no part in the creation of a baby, then your statement might be true, except that it is still another life that is being ended.
91 Scbriml: Most countries have a legal definition of life. A clump of stem cells is not life. It merely has the potential to become a living entity. I believe d
93 An-225: Abortion is a necessary evil. If you're against abortion and one day you knock someone up - feel free to have that baby, but please don't push your mo
94 Scbriml: Without looking it up, I don't know. But if you really do want an answer I'm sure Google will help.
95 SATX: Maybe I should have put it this way... Christians... 1. NEVER 2. NEVER 3. NEVER Everyone else... 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Yes Now, is everyone happy? Also, wh
96 Tom in NO: 1. No, except health of the mother or proven rape 2. No, except health of the mother 3. No Tom at MSY
97 ME AVN FAN: Yes Yes No, except under special life-threatening circumstances -
98 Beefstew25: I have not been to church in 2 years (which Christians would like you to do). Nice generalization, though.
99 Kiwiandrew: so we add to the trauma of a rape survivor by getting doctors to demand 'proof' regarding her rape before they will perform a termination ? what exac
101 Lowrider: How many Anti-war types do you find at an anti-abortion rally?
102 Gunsontheroof: 1) Yes 2) Yes 3) Yes However, I don't think that abortion should ever be viewed as a means of preventing pregnancy. Birth control and contraception sh
103 Beefstew25: I am anti-death penalty because I don't want to be seen as a hypocrite when it comes to abortion. But there is definately a distinction between the tw
104 Jcs17: 1) Yes 2) Yes, with significant restrictions though. 3) No, unless woman's health is in danger.
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