Andrewuber From United States, joined Jul 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 44 Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1423 times:
I wonder if he can appeal (because you know he will), and if not - when will this sentence be carried out? Will he sit on the Iraqi equivelant of death row until he dies of old age fifteen years from now?
Even if he does get hanged, he's getting off WAY too easy. The pain and agony that man has caused is immense.
Thorben From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 2922 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1411 times:
Quoting Andrewuber (Reply 4): I wonder if he can appeal (because you know he will), and if not - when will this sentence be carried out? Will he sit on the Iraqi equivelant of death row until he dies of old age fifteen years from now?
From what I read on CNN, he can appeal within ten days, otherwise the verdict has to be carried out within 30 days.
Quoting Andrewuber (Reply 4): Even if he does get hanged, he's getting off WAY too easy. The pain and agony that man has caused is immense.
Sitting in jail until his end comes from nature would be better, I believe. Then, he has time to think about his crimes.
Democracy means the people control the government. When the government controls the people, it is a dictatorship.
AndrewUber From United States, joined Jul 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 44 Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 5): he can appeal within ten days
Then I guarantee he will, which will drag this out for God knows how long.
Quoting Thorben (Reply 5): Then, he has time to think about his crimes
That would require him having a CONSCIENCE, which we all know he doesn't. He would probably use that time to his advantage, trying to cause as much trouble as he possibly can.
OzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 1314 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1370 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 5): Quoting Andrewuber (Reply 4):
Even if he does get hanged, he's getting off WAY too easy. The pain and agony that man has caused is immense.
Sitting in jail until his end comes from nature would be better, I believe. Then, he has time to think about his crimes.
Society is not responsible for the interior reflections of the convicted, but for maintaining and demonstrating moral authority in the greater interests of the the Common Good. As much as our more base apetites might thurst for his blood through execution or even torture, society takes the moral high ground when it comdemns crimes, not when it repeats them. His permanent incarceration is in the greater interest of the Common Good.
When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 7018 posts, RR: 53 Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
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Whilst it is good that such a tyrannical dictator has been brought to account for those that he murdered, I'm really not sure about the final verdict. Part of me wants to see the man dead, but the other wants to see him rot, however, if this verdict has been decided by an Iraqi court then the people have their own justice, which is most important.
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1282 times:
I would feel better about this verdict if it wasnt coming from the very people that suffered under him. You dont hand a perpetrator over to his victims for justice, he should have been tried in an international court or somewhere else.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 7018 posts, RR: 53 Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1264 times:
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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 12): I would feel better about this verdict if it wasnt coming from the very people that suffered under him. You dont hand a perpetrator over to his victims for justice, he should have been tried in an international court or somewhere else.
I disagree, wherever he was tried the verdict was always inevitable, although the ultimate punishment may have varied. By letting Iraqi's try him, they have some form of closure and control over the ultimate fate of their toppled leader.
NIKV69 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 6658 posts, RR: 37 Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1232 times:
Glad this day has finally come. I remember the morning we captured him. When the video of him in custody was first shown to a room full of journalists, two Irag reporters broke down and began crying. Then began to shout in their native language "Death to Saddam! Death to Saddam!" It was something to watch. He terrorized that country for too long. Now he will pay the price.
Can't wait to watch that video.
Obama could have went to see wounded soldiers, he went to the gym instead. McCain, country first.
NoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 6257 posts, RR: 15 Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1227 times:
Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 7): I've heard that he has another verdict to come from another trial.
Correct. That's why I tend to say that he will hopefully appeal. Otherwise his other crimes would not find any juridical consideration.
As for the verdict itself, it's not that I would shed a tear for him, but I did not consider the trial fair, and I still oppose to the death penalty.
But hopefully some Iraqi feel a bit better nonetheless.
A) what is a "kangaroo court" ?
B) here another link : http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...5E-2A01-461E-9B78-68580F11073E.htm
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C) and more under http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/Newsdesk.nsf
> Iraq's Shiites Cheer, Sunnis Protest Saddam Conviction
Iraqi Shiites broke into wild celebration on Sunday after Saddam Hussein was sentenced to hang, but his fellow Sunnis paraded through the former dictator's hometown chanting, "We will avenge you Saddam."
In Sadr City, the Shiite stronghold of northeast Baghdad, youths took to the streets dancing and singing, despite a curfew declared for the capital and two neighboring provinces.
"Execute Saddam," they chanted. Many carried posters bearing the image of Muqtada al-Sadr, the radical anti-American cleric whose Mahdi Army militia effectively runs the district.
Breathing heavily as he ran along the streets, 35-year-old Abu Sinan said: "This is an unprecedented feeling of happiness ... nothing matches it, no festival nor marriage nor birth matches it. The verdict says Saddam must pay the price for murdering tens of thousands of Iraqis."
Saddam and his seven co-defendants were on trial for a wave of revenge killings carried out in the city of Dujail following a 1982 assassination attempt on the former dictator. As the verdict was read on Sunday, people in Dujail celebrated in the streets and burned pictures of their former tormentor.
Saddam was sentenced to death by Iraq's High Tribunal for crimes against humanity, along with his half brother and former intelligence chief Barzan Ibrahim, and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, head of the former Revolutionary Court. Three other defendants received lesser sentences and one was acquitted.
Similar celebrations were reported in other Shiite districts of the capital and other cities, although the size of crowds seemed to have been reduced due to the open-ended curfew declared Saturday. Iraqi security forces and U.S. troops mounted additional patrols.
Clashes broke out in north Baghdad's heavily Sunni Azamiyah district where police were battling men with machine guns. At least seven mortar shells slammed to the ground around the Abu Hanifa mosque, the holiest Sunni shrine in the capital.
In Tikrit, Saddam's hometown, 1,000 people defied the curfew and carried pictures of the city's favorite son through the streets. Some declared the court a product of the U.S. "occupation forces" and decried the verdict. "By our souls, by our blood we sacrifice for you Saddam" and "Saddam your name shakes America."
Celebratory gunfire also rang out in Kurdish neighborhoods across the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk, where Khatab Ahmed sat on a mattress in his living room to watch trial coverage with his wife and six children. "Thank God I lived to see the day when the criminals received their punishment," the 40-year-old taxi driver exclaimed on hearing of Saddam's death sentence. His brother and uncle were arrested by Saddam's security forces in the 1980s and disappeared forever. Two cousins died in a 1991 Kurdish uprising.
The trial proceedings were shown on Iraqi and pan-Arab satellite television channels with a 20-minute delay. Ahead of the verdicts, several channels aired documentaries about Saddam's crackdowns on Kurds and Shiites. They also aired videotape of mass graves being uncovered after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. Al-Masai television, run by the prominent Shiite Dawa party, played solemn music as it scrolled through snapshots of Iraqis who went missing under Saddam's 23-year rule.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 12427 posts, RR: 19 Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1201 times:
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10): Part of me wants to see the man dead, but the other wants to see him rot
As much as I am against the death penalty in principle, this in that case is the only way. Would he get "life" the danger of him becoming liberated earlier or later will be (would have been) far too immense for comfort. The sooner the world is liberated from his "presence" the better.
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