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Norwegian Royal Family Refuses To Fly First Class  
User currently offlineKrje1980 From Norway, joined Feb 2006, 193 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=136512 (in norwegian only)

The Norwegian Royal Couple, Prince Hakon and Princess Mette-Marit, refuses to fly first class on international long-haul trips. Instead they choose to fly business class since this will only cost half of what first class tickets cost. Having recently flown to New Delhi and back with Lufthansa, the couple stated that since they are very preoccupied with combating poverty, and since they were travelling to a country plagued with this problem, flying first class "just wouldn't seem right."

What do you all think about this? Is this just something used for good PR? After all, poverty does not disappear regardless of which class they fly in. At the same time, they clearly show that they realize their own privileged positions and that while they are enjoying a life in luxury, millions of people are struggling to survive.

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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

Good for them! Nothing to do with poverty, but it is the taxpayer who pays for their flights. I'm not sure about Norwegian politics/royalty, but I would assume that you have a King/Queen... I guess it would be suitable for them to fly First Class but Prince's/Princesses need only travel Business.


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User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 1):
Good for them! Nothing to do with poverty, but it is the taxpayer who pays for their flights

Yep - couldn't agree more. Very noble but not really doing much for 3rd would debt is it? Godd for them though, slumming it in J when they could be in F


User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

If they were really concerned, they would fly Y with the commoners.

User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 3):
If they were really concerned, they would fly Y with the commoners.

I know huh, I mean i can't afford to fly business with my own money. I mean J is not exactly the pits.. Big grin

But seriously it is a good gesture. Everything counts..



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User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5470 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

To me, it's an empty gesture. If they took the money saved and donated it, then it's a different story.

Flying business instead of first didn't do a thing for combating poverty. It just made them feel warm and fuzzy.



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User currently offlineTpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 3):
If they were really concerned, they would fly Y with the commoners

I think that would have been even more dramatic and self-aggrandizing than anything. Futhermore the point of J class in just what the name implies. The cabin for folks who plan on be in a suitable condition to do business when they land. Sure they could have made a showy display requesting a middle seat, in the back, by the lav. But they would have needed two days of rest at a hotel to be presentable for the media intensive work they come to do.


They made a balanced choice. It would have be good P.R. if LH had seated them in F, but oh well.

[Edited 2006-11-05 23:36:55]

User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Quoting Krje1980 (Thread starter):
Having recently flown to New Delhi and back with Lufthansa, the couple stated that since they are very preoccupied with combating poverty, and since they were travelling to a country plagued with this problem, flying first class "just wouldn't seem right."

What do you all think about this?

I think it's classy. A gesture? Certainly. Empty? I think not.



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User currently offlineAlibo5NGN From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 773 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3274 times:
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Norwegians should be happy to have considerate Royalty.  bigthumbsup 

Now lets try to persuade mid to high level government officials to fly business or Y class instead of first class. Check out the first class cabin of International flights into and out of Nigeria. They are filled mostly by government officials. Many times, the cost of a single first class ticket is greater than their annual salaries as civil servants.  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Nice.. I wonder how their king flies. When Queen Beatrix flies KL, a whole section of J is reserved for her and her suite, with a special royal seat (throne Big grin) installed for her. Same goes for QE2 when she flies BA. And when our prince and his wife fly around, they still get to use the royal F70, as they did this week in New Zealand. I assume they fly normal KL WBC to get to the closest point to destination (must have been CGK I guess).

It sounds like Norwegians are more humble.

In line with this, we had this nice post about the Norwegian king earlier this year:

Quoting KaiGywer:
I remember flying ALF-FBU on an SK MD80 once. We were in one of the last rows, so we boarded early. Doors close, and as they start their announcement, they go "Your majesty, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard SK" A lot of heads looking up front then. The king of norway was on his way back to Oslo after doing something (can't remember what) up north. When we landed in FBU, we stopped short of the terminal, the king and his crew got out, and then we taxied to the terminal. The entire Royal Family in norway flies commercial when they travel. Back in the 70s, I remember the king even riding the tram and wanting to pay like a normal passenger when he was going skiing. This was during the oil crisis, and he didn't want to seem "better" than the average citizen. His bodyguard had already paid however. There is a really famous photo of this




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User currently offlineKrje1980 From Norway, joined Feb 2006, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

I also think it is a good gesture, but I think the royal family in this case is equally concerned about not overusing the money coming in from taxpayers as they are in "combating poverty". I remeber that the Swedish foreign minister received lots of negative criticism after flying first class to Thailand shortly after the tsunami disaster. I have a feeling the Norwegian royal family wants to avoid that.

User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Quoting Krje1980 (Thread starter):
Having recently flown to New Delhi and back with Lufthansa, the couple stated that since they are very preoccupied with combating poverty

Respect to the Norwegian Royal Family, but "preoccupied with combating poverty".....!

Do me a favour.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6330 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 3):
If they were really concerned, they would fly Y with the commoners.

Exactly what I was thinking

And because they're the royal family, what are the odds they'll be upgraded to First anyways? Probably pretty high.

May be a nice gesture, but not really a selfless one like they seem to be trying to show.


User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

They are good role models!!!
regards: DALelite



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User currently offlineEric From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 11):
Respect to the Norwegian Royal Family, but "preoccupied with combating poverty".....!

Do me a favour.

Actually, when the Crown Prince and Princess got married they requested all official gifts and public gifts to be donated into a fund they had set up in their name, namely to help promote and combat HIV and AIDS.

As for the money they "saved" - the tickets are paid for by the Ministy of Foreign Affairs so the actual saving does indeed not go towards 'fighting poverty' but the gesture is meant to show that, as people, they do not need to fly F simply because they can when other people have so much less.

It would be nice to see more people of their responsibility do similar things.


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

When the King last visited my home airport, the plan was to use a privat jet, but he turned up on the scheduled Golden Air Saab-340 flight from Oslo with the other passengers. No special treatment there. (Except he has a private FA and got to sit up front in the cabin...)

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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

Sort of, Business class isn't "slumming it" If they REALLY wanted to impress me they'd get in the back. That being said, it is a step in the RIGHT direction. If I were the airline though I'd charge them economy, and 'accidently' not have any seats but F/C avail.

User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Class act, but it doesnt make any show for the starving.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2881 times:
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Quoting EHHO (Reply 9):
In line with this, we had this nice post about the Norwegian king earlier this year:

I was gonna post that, but seems I don't need to now  Smile Thanks EHHO  Smile

The same still applies though, the Royal Family is very down to earth. Crown Prince Haakon was a normal student at Berkeley a few years back, he goes to the Quart festival every year (or at least used to), and on our constitution day (May 17th), they come out to meet the people.

Only time I've seen the King splurge, was in 91 when him and the queen traveled around the entire country after the previous king had died. They arrived in a helicopter to the little Saami village of Maze. Came to see my grandparents as a matter of fact Big grin



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2866 times:

Quoting Krje1980 (Thread starter):
The Norwegian Royal Couple, Prince Hakon and Princess Mette-Marit, refuses to fly first class on international long-haul trips. Instead they choose to fly business class since this will only cost half of what first class tickets cost. Having recently flown to New Delhi and back with Lufthansa, the couple stated that since they are very preoccupied with combating poverty, and since they were travelling to a country plagued with this problem, flying first class "just wouldn't seem right."

That's a nice gesture on their part. Bravo, Norway!  Smile


User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 2852 times:

Nice gesture, but maybe they're just used to fly J, after all I don't think SAS has F anymore Big grin

cheers

Asturias



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting Krje1980 (Thread starter):
Is this just something used for good PR? After all, poverty does not disappear regardless of which class they fly in. At the same time, they clearly show that they realize their own privileged positions and that while they are enjoying a life in luxury, millions of people are struggling to survive.

it is a kind of demonstration, and a positive gesture. Those in charge with F-class sales will not be amused !


User currently offlineLeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Maybe the British Royal family could learn from this!  Wink

User currently offlineDoor5right From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 707 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 21 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Quoting Krje1980 (Thread starter):
Maybe the British Royal family could learn from this!

Members of the Royal Family frequently fly on BA commercial flights to and from engagements and have been doing so for some time now. It happens less for HM The Queen simply due to the security involved.



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