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Child Drawings Revenge On Denmark.  
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

Reading on TextTV that a radiostation in Indonesia did a competition for children to smear the Danish Royal Family.

Purpose for this: revenge for the Mohammed caricature in Jyllands Posten.

One drawing is a pig with a crown sitting on the throne with the danish flag in background, another is a pig dressed as the queen.

37 children took part of the competition taking place in a mosque in Kediri, east Java, according to newsagency Antara...

Whatta bunch of jerks: are the adults to scared to draw pig pics of the Royal Danish Family instead the children have to do the dirty work....

Move on for crying out loud!

Those cowards make me sick!!!

Micke//     

[Edited 2006-11-06 18:29:20]

[Edited 2006-11-06 18:41:15]

[Edited 2006-11-06 18:41:55]


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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Thread starter):

They make me sick!!!

Can't agree more ! It's so horrible to use kids for revenge

Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

I'm right there with you; religion is harmful to kids' minds and gives them all sorts of bad ideas.


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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Thread starter):
Theose cowards make me sick!!!

The difference is, you wont see the Danes burning flags, protesting violently, or setting the Indonesian embassy on fire like a bunch of Neanderthals.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

Sorry, missunderstood your post....

Delete please!

[Edited 2006-11-06 18:55:02]


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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 4):
Do you?

Do I what?


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

At least they're encouraging creativity and not destruction.

User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 6):
At least they're encouraging creativity and not destruction.

Creative destruction of the mind?



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 6):
At least they're encouraging creativity and not destruction.

They'll learn that in High school  sarcastic 



Lee



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User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1680 times:

I couldn't understand why people could get so upset by a cartoon. Then I thought about how pissed off I was when they gave Scooby Doo a cousin....

User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1674 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 5):
Quoting Solnabo (Reply 4):
Do you?

Do I what?

Do you do ?


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6757 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

I was under the, possibly mistaken, impression that to have anything to do with pigs was a big no-no in Islam, to the extent that Piglet in Winnie the Pooh was not a toy that kids could not play with or could not be seen in any movies.

Getting moslem kids to draw pigs? Isn't that going to confuse them, at best? Did they wear gloves so they wouldn't touch the pig?

When I was in Malaysia in the late 80's I remember being in a supermarket and someone buying some pork and even though it was well wrapped in its container the Islamic checkout girl had to use an extra barrier of a couple of plastic bags to even pick it up, while not looking too happy about having to do it.



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User currently offlineThomson735 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 3):
The difference is, you wont see the Danes burning flags, protesting violently, or setting the Indonesian embassy on fire like a bunch of Neanderthals.

Yes because they are civilised people, here in the west we dnt burn flags we dnt get violent about religeon in comparison

we dont stoop that low and we are not that childish


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6461 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 3):
The difference is, you wont see the Danes burning flags, protesting violently, or setting the Indonesian embassy on fire...

Funny thing is that 80% of what I know about this event, I learned here reading this thread. And I consider myself a pretty well informed citizen, at least on local issues.

Without a.net I wouldn't have known that it was children, and I wouldn't have known which islamic country it was.

I heard it on the radio news while driving to or from work. It was the last item where that radio station always brings funny events or even jokes, just to bring the listeners back to the real world away from war, terror, accidents, elections and all such disasters.

BTW, I saw a cartoon in a paper the other day. A mullah or something like that comes into a shop to buy a Danish flag. The shop owner asks: "Is it out of house - wrapped up, or do you burn it right away?"



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Thread starter):
Reading on TextTV that a radiostation in Indonesia did a competition for children to smear the Danish Royal Family. Purpose for this: revenge for the Mohammed caricature in Jyllands Posten. One drawing is a pig with a crown sitting on the throne with the danish flag in background, another is a pig dressed as the queen. 37 children took part of the competition taking place in a mosque in Kediri, east Java, according to newsagency Antara... Whatta bunch of jerks: are the adults to scared to draw pig pics of the Royal Danish Family instead the children have to do the dirty work.... Move on for crying out loud! Those cowards make me sick!!!

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But why are you so excited about all this ? It is NOT exactly high-standard, and it sounds to be a bit childish, but I would not make such a fuss about it.
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Quoting B777-700 (Reply 3):
The difference is, you wont see the Danes burning flags, protesting violently, or setting the Indonesian embassy on fire like a bunch of Neanderthals.

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Children participating in such a drawing contest are not setting an embassy on fire, and they apparently were not burning any flags, so what ?
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Quoting Thomson735 (Reply 12):
we dont stoop that low and we are not that childish

ever heard about football-hooligans and anti-WEF-demonstrators ?
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User currently offlineThomson735 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):
Children participating in such a drawing contest are not setting an embassy on fire, and they apparently were not burning any flags, so what ?
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I was refering to when the cartoons where drawn and muslims went mad and burnt flags and just totally overreacted

The idea of the drawing contest is a mock of Dennmark, wat i mean is danes are not going to run about setting fire to stuff because there not idiots


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6461 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):
...I would not make such a fuss about it.

Nobody made any fuss.

But Solnabo is right, that it is sickening that children are treated that way. But then, it was one radio station among hundreds or thousands of radio stations in a country with a hundred million inhabitants.

The really sick thing is that it seems like no adult man or woman in Indonesia stood up and said that it was a sick treatment of children and therefore should remain a one-off event.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineBrettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

Quoting Thomson735 (Reply 15):
because there not idiots

i believe it is: they're not idiots!!  Wink

why are they taking out on the royal family though? What did they have to do with that possibly-the-biggest-over-reaction-ever event?



i'm so excited i wish i could wet my pants!
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 16):
it seems like no adult man or woman in Indonesia stood up and said that it was a sick treatment of children and therefore should remain a one-off event

the whole thing is rather dull, true, but "sick treatment" sounds a bit exaggerated

Quoting Brettbrett21 (Reply 17):
the royal family

is of symbolic relevance


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

as dull as it may be, the Danish Royal Family should contact the radio-station in question and offer to buy the whole collection of drawings for amusement. It would make a BIG impression.

User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 18):
the whole thing is rather dull, true, but "sick treatment" sounds a bit exaggerated

Dull? You need action?

Just think of these children, and what these people are planting in their heads... Are there no psychology in Indonesia?? You teach to mock a nationality or ethnicity, and you teach this to children...

This could have Horrific consequences in the future, just look at the Saudi text books for reference.  yuck 

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Quoting Windshear (Reply 20):
teach to mock a nationality or ethnicity

the Royal Family of Denmark to me is neither a nationality nor an ethnicity, just the Royal Family, a significant and symbolic family of course true

Quoting Windshear (Reply 20):
just look at the Saudi text books for reference

my knowledge of Indonesia admittedly is limited, I however hope that your comparison with Saudi Arabia is as far off the mark as I assume !
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It however would be a tremendous thing if somebody of Denmark, be it the Royals, the Prime Minister, the Ambassador or whomever would take it with humour and get into talk overthere, possibly even (with an interpreter) participating in a talk on that radio.
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I give you an example. When the tricky role of the Swiss banks during WWII got into the limelight some years ago, many Swiss were angry, most diplomats went into "hiding", but ONE diplomat took over as "emissary-special" and travelled around in the USA, participated in dozens of radio/TV-talkshows, met uncounted people, made jokes about thrifty bankers, explained matters, distributed Swiss chocolate and cheese, explained matters, and finally rescued "the show". As it is in the Quran "God is with the steadfast" or in the Bible "Don't be afraid, I am with you all days". The world is with those who go forward and not with the angry and the cautious and the reserved ones.
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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6461 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 19):
...the Danish Royal Family should contact the radio-station in question and offer to buy the whole collection of drawings for amusement. It would make a BIG impression.

No, impossible, that can't happen. Royals don't react, they either act, or do nothing.

Besides that, the main issue here is not the drawings, but the treatment of Indonesian children. Windshear said it very well in his reply #20.

An additional issue might be the absence of freedom of speech which prevents Indonesian parents from commenting upon the treatment of their loved children.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineThomson735 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

Quoting Windshear (Reply 20):
Just think of these children, and what these people are planting in their heads

yes happens all over the world now, especially in certain religeous buildings in britain, seems the world just accepts it


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):
a significant and symbolic family of course true

Exactly, listen what ever you want to see, this is a very poor way of interacting with children, you teach them that you must make a fool of the national symbol of a country, because a FREE PRESS and independent newspaper decided to print cartoons of their prophet... Cheesus what a bad bad thing to teach.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):
my knowledge of Indonesia admittedly is limited, I however hope that your comparison with Saudi Arabia is as far off the mark as I assume !
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You once again misinterpret what I write... I used Saudi as the absolute horror example to what this type of forcing opinions onto children can do to people and to nations...

Read some books on Developmental psychology, you'll soon enough get my drift.

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
25 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Bunch of idiots! And are we going to create huge riots in the streets of Copenhagen and will we start boycotting muslim countries now? We have a bett
26 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : such "treatment" of children by the media happens often all over the globe, also in Western countries. Rubbish, like cheap advertising, is often done
27 Post contains images AirPacific747 : LOL! You're talking as if we wanted to make big riots. Sorry to disappoint you pal, but we have better things to do
28 Thomson735 : LOL yea exactly we are way too soft, we get demonstrations of people in our towns saying kill infedels etc lmao other places allow that? ANd yes the
29 Post contains images Thom@s : Big deal, I hear the drawings look nothing like the royal family anyway... Thom@s
30 Post contains images Windshear : but that is IT ok? One smile for ya Boaz.
31 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : I had a kind of "vision" of a kind of Reverend Ian Paisly, 30 years younger and Danish, and suffered a shock for a moment    I think the situation
32 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Don't worry. We are not sinking as low as certain other people
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