SATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1334 times:
I'm right there with you; religion is harmful to kids' minds and gives them all sorts of bad ideas.
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SATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1292 times:
Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 6): At least they're encouraging creativity and not destruction.
Creative destruction of the mind?
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Oly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6223 posts, RR: 11 Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1184 times:
I was under the, possibly mistaken, impression that to have anything to do with pigs was a big no-no in Islam, to the extent that Piglet in Winnie the Pooh was not a toy that kids could not play with or could not be seen in any movies.
Getting moslem kids to draw pigs? Isn't that going to confuse them, at best? Did they wear gloves so they wouldn't touch the pig?
When I was in Malaysia in the late 80's I remember being in a supermarket and someone buying some pork and even though it was well wrapped in its container the Islamic checkout girl had to use an extra barrier of a couple of plastic bags to even pick it up, while not looking too happy about having to do it.
Thomson735 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1130 times:
Quoting B777-700 (Reply 3): The difference is, you wont see the Danes burning flags, protesting violently, or setting the Indonesian embassy on fire like a bunch of Neanderthals.
Yes because they are civilised people, here in the west we dnt burn flags we dnt get violent about religeon in comparison
we dont stoop that low and we are not that childish
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6039 posts, RR: 55 Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1103 times:
Quoting B777-700 (Reply 3): The difference is, you wont see the Danes burning flags, protesting violently, or setting the Indonesian embassy on fire...
Funny thing is that 80% of what I know about this event, I learned here reading this thread. And I consider myself a pretty well informed citizen, at least on local issues.
Without a.net I wouldn't have known that it was children, and I wouldn't have known which islamic country it was.
I heard it on the radio news while driving to or from work. It was the last item where that radio station always brings funny events or even jokes, just to bring the listeners back to the real world away from war, terror, accidents, elections and all such disasters.
BTW, I saw a cartoon in a paper the other day. A mullah or something like that comes into a shop to buy a Danish flag. The shop owner asks: "Is it out of house - wrapped up, or do you burn it right away?"
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13875 posts, RR: 27 Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1084 times:
Quoting Solnabo (Thread starter): Reading on TextTV that a radiostation in Indonesia did a competition for children to smear the Danish Royal Family. Purpose for this: revenge for the Mohammed caricature in Jyllands Posten. One drawing is a pig with a crown sitting on the throne with the danish flag in background, another is a pig dressed as the queen. 37 children took part of the competition taking place in a mosque in Kediri, east Java, according to newsagency Antara... Whatta bunch of jerks: are the adults to scared to draw pig pics of the Royal Danish Family instead the children have to do the dirty work.... Move on for crying out loud! Those cowards make me sick!!!
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But why are you so excited about all this ? It is NOT exactly high-standard, and it sounds to be a bit childish, but I would not make such a fuss about it.
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Quoting B777-700 (Reply 3): The difference is, you wont see the Danes burning flags, protesting violently, or setting the Indonesian embassy on fire like a bunch of Neanderthals.
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Children participating in such a drawing contest are not setting an embassy on fire, and they apparently were not burning any flags, so what ?
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Quoting Thomson735 (Reply 12): we dont stoop that low and we are not that childish
ever heard about football-hooligans and anti-WEF-demonstrators ?
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Thomson735 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1078 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14): Children participating in such a drawing contest are not setting an embassy on fire, and they apparently were not burning any flags, so what ?
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I was refering to when the cartoons where drawn and muslims went mad and burnt flags and just totally overreacted
The idea of the drawing contest is a mock of Dennmark, wat i mean is danes are not going to run about setting fire to stuff because there not idiots
Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6039 posts, RR: 55 Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1068 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14): ...I would not make such a fuss about it.
Nobody made any fuss.
But Solnabo is right, that it is sickening that children are treated that way. But then, it was one radio station among hundreds or thousands of radio stations in a country with a hundred million inhabitants.
The really sick thing is that it seems like no adult man or woman in Indonesia stood up and said that it was a sick treatment of children and therefore should remain a one-off event.
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13875 posts, RR: 27 Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1063 times:
Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 16): it seems like no adult man or woman in Indonesia stood up and said that it was a sick treatment of children and therefore should remain a one-off event
the whole thing is rather dull, true, but "sick treatment" sounds a bit exaggerated
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13875 posts, RR: 27 Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1060 times:
as dull as it may be, the Danish Royal Family should contact the radio-station in question and offer to buy the whole collection of drawings for amusement. It would make a BIG impression.
Windshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2309 posts, RR: 11 Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1058 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 18): the whole thing is rather dull, true, but "sick treatment" sounds a bit exaggerated
Dull? You need action?
Just think of these children, and what these people are planting in their heads... Are there no psychology in Indonesia?? You teach to mock a nationality or ethnicity, and you teach this to children...
This could have Horrific consequences in the future, just look at the Saudi text books for reference.
Boaz.
"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13875 posts, RR: 27 Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1048 times:
Quoting Windshear (Reply 20): teach to mock a nationality or ethnicity
the Royal Family of Denmark to me is neither a nationality nor an ethnicity, just the Royal Family, a significant and symbolic family of course true
Quoting Windshear (Reply 20): just look at the Saudi text books for reference
my knowledge of Indonesia admittedly is limited, I however hope that your comparison with Saudi Arabia is as far off the mark as I assume !
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It however would be a tremendous thing if somebody of Denmark, be it the Royals, the Prime Minister, the Ambassador or whomever would take it with humour and get into talk overthere, possibly even (with an interpreter) participating in a talk on that radio.
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I give you an example. When the tricky role of the Swiss banks during WWII got into the limelight some years ago, many Swiss were angry, most diplomats went into "hiding", but ONE diplomat took over as "emissary-special" and travelled around in the USA, participated in dozens of radio/TV-talkshows, met uncounted people, made jokes about thrifty bankers, explained matters, distributed Swiss chocolate and cheese, explained matters, and finally rescued "the show". As it is in the Quran "God is with the steadfast" or in the Bible "Don't be afraid, I am with you all days". The world is with those who go forward and not with the angry and the cautious and the reserved ones.
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Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6039 posts, RR: 55 Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1041 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 19): ...the Danish Royal Family should contact the radio-station in question and offer to buy the whole collection of drawings for amusement. It would make a BIG impression.
No, impossible, that can't happen. Royals don't react, they either act, or do nothing.
Besides that, the main issue here is not the drawings, but the treatment of Indonesian children. Windshear said it very well in his reply #20.
An additional issue might be the absence of freedom of speech which prevents Indonesian parents from commenting upon the treatment of their loved children.
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
Windshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2309 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1034 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21): a significant and symbolic family of course true
Exactly, listen what ever you want to see, this is a very poor way of interacting with children, you teach them that you must make a fool of the national symbol of a country, because a FREE PRESS and independent newspaper decided to print cartoons of their prophet... Cheesus what a bad bad thing to teach.
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21): my knowledge of Indonesia admittedly is limited, I however hope that your comparison with Saudi Arabia is as far off the mark as I assume !
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You once again misinterpret what I write... I used Saudi as the absolute horror example to what this type of forcing opinions onto children can do to people and to nations...
Read some books on Developmental psychology, you'll soon enough get my drift.
Boaz.
"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
25 AirPacific747: Bunch of idiots! And are we going to create huge riots in the streets of Copenhagen and will we start boycotting muslim countries now? We have a bett
26 ME AVN FAN: such "treatment" of children by the media happens often all over the globe, also in Western countries. Rubbish, like cheap advertising, is often done
27 AirPacific747: LOL! You're talking as if we wanted to make big riots. Sorry to disappoint you pal, but we have better things to do
28 Thomson735: LOL yea exactly we are way too soft, we get demonstrations of people in our towns saying kill infedels etc lmao other places allow that? ANd yes the
29 Thom@s: Big deal, I hear the drawings look nothing like the royal family anyway... Thom@s
30 Windshear: but that is IT ok? One smile for ya Boaz.
31 ME AVN FAN: I had a kind of "vision" of a kind of Reverend Ian Paisly, 30 years younger and Danish, and suffered a shock for a moment I think the situation
32 AirPacific747: Don't worry. We are not sinking as low as certain other people
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