PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11992 posts, RR: 59 Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4970 times:
I am wondering, is it possible to either fly into Baghdad, or is there any way of travelling West to East through Iraq, perhaps by using trains or other public or possibly private transport. Plus, would it be relatively safe to do so if it was possible?
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BMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4970 times:
Quoting PlymSpotter (Thread starter): I am wondering, is it possible to either fly into Baghdad, or is there any way of travelling West to East through Iraq, perhaps by using trains or other public or possibly private transport. Plus, would it be relatively safe to do so if it was possible?
Well basically I am looking at going to Syria just after Christmas, get on the 747SP, Yak40 and 727, then make a trip to Beirut then go onwards to Jordan and the ancient city of Petra. After that I wanted to go on to Iran so take in the delights of a 707 and a few more old birds. It would be good to take the sleeper train to Tehran, but that is only once a week, and it just doesn't tie in with anything else, so I was thinking overland through Iraq could be a possibility.
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SW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6461 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4886 times:
Quoting Walter747 (Reply 11): thats about the only the only way a non-journalist person can get in.
While it might be hard for Americans and Brits, such as our thread starter, it actually is not too hard if you're from somewhere else, especially someplace that doesn't have troops in Iraq. For instance, if I travelled on my Namibian passport, I would just need a passport - in fact, I may not even need a visa, but that depends based on if Iraqi immigration "deems it's necessary". Never really thought about going, but it would not be all that hard to get into Iraq. Might be a lot harder on my American passport though.
Quoting Coz (Reply 3): This article sheds some light on what it's like to land in Baghdad...
I remember meeting Anderson Cooper, a CNN journalist, and he told me about his flight into Baghdad Airport using the spiral...fascinating thing, I would love to experience and/or see it.
This information is current as of today, Mon Nov 06 19:05:42 2006.
Restrictions on the Use of U.S. Passports for Travel to Iraq Lifted
The Department of State has revoked the restriction on the use of U.S. passports for travel to, in or through Iraq set forth in Public Notice 4283 of February 25, 2003 (68 FR 8791), as amended by Public Notice 4337 of April 16, 2003 (68 FR 18722), as further amended by Public Notice 4366 of May 15, 2003 (68 FR 26371), effective July 14, 2003.
The security threat to all American citizens in Iraq remains high, and our ability to provide emergency services to Americans in Iraq is still very limited. U.S. citizens considering travel to Iraq should consult the current Travel Warning for Iraq and relevant Public Announcements available on the Department of State’s Bureau of Consular Affairs web site, http://travel.state.gov, prior to finalizing travel plans.
Moreover, a U.S. passport does not guarantee entry to Iraq. Information regarding entry and exit requirements for Iraq is available on the Coalition Provisional Authority’s web site at, www.cpa-iraq.org/regulations/index.html.
This Travel Warning updates the current security situation and reiterates the dangers of the use of civilian aircraft and road travel within Iraq. This supersedes the Travel Warning of December 29, 2005 and the Public Announcement dated March 24, 2006.
The Department of State continues to strongly warn U.S. citizens against travel to Iraq, which remains very dangerous. Remnants of the former Ba’ath regime, transnational terrorists, criminal elements and numerous insurgent groups remain active. Attacks against military and civilian targets throughout Iraq continue, including in the International (or “Green”) Zone. Targets include convoys en-route to venues, hotels, restaurants, police stations, checkpoints, foreign diplomatic missions, international organizations and other locations with expatriate personnel. These attacks have resulted in deaths and injuries of American citizens, including those doing humanitarian work. In addition, there have been planned and random killings, as well as extortions and kidnappings. U.S. citizens have been kidnapped and several were subsequently murdered by terrorists in Iraq. U.S. citizens and other foreigners continue to be targeted by insurgent groups and opportunistic criminals for kidnapping and murder. Military operations continue. There are daily attacks against Multinational Forces - Iraq (MNF-I), Iraqi Security Forces and Iraqi Police
USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4834 times:
There was a story about a year ago...last December I think it was, about a 16 year old kid in Florida (American but of Middle Eastern descent, IIRC) who ran away to Iraq on his own and successfully made it there, right into the heart of Baghdad...so I don't imagine it would be too hard for Americans to get in...
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Speedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4827 times:
Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 19): There was a story about a year ago...last December I think it was, about a 16 year old kid in Florida (American but of Middle Eastern descent, IIRC) who ran away to Iraq on his own and successfully made it there, right into the heart of Baghdad...so I don't imagine it would be too hard for Americans to get in...
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TERRA From Iraq, joined Aug 1999, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4725 times:
Americans can get in on a US passport but need a DoD card. If no DoD card (or no contract supporting the coalition effort) i.e a normal civilian you will need a visa or an MNFI card. Other nationalities also need a visa in theory. You can't just come in without a visa since militia starting coming in from Jordan, Syria, Iran to name but a few. However there are gaps you can use to sneak in if you know the system etc.
Also traveling East-West? Bad idea. Huge risk as you'll go through the sunni triangle and the road network means getting a private taxi (cheap $200 or so) to take you from Jordan to Baghdad and then onto Iran which is not safe but a private security escort will cost a few thousand and still isn't safe.
To get in fly from Amman to Baghdad with RJ or IQ Aw and get a visa from the Iraqi Embassy in Amman. However once in IQ you're on your own and you take your life in your own hands.
FYI the spiral is nothing special in itself but the dangers are. Don't worry about the missiles, the mid air collision risk is pretty real and i've almost been killed in the spiral so no false heroics please to get the T-shirt. It's easy imagining it from the comfort of a compter desk in England but when you hear the tcas kick off you're on edge and when on the ground and you've seen your first rocket or mortar attack, have been shot at or have seen dead bodies lying in the streets then you can get your T-shirt.
My advice? Don't come to Iraq.
I'll fly in to Iraq next week but don't expect a trip report.
: I don't know how you'd book a flight to SDA, there's nothing bookable in any GDS as far as I can tell - maybe you can book locally in Amman. Personall
: Thank you, I'm not trying false heroics, I am just looking for an interesting way of getting from A to B. I started this thread to see if it would be
: There are several A.netters to whom I would say, "sure. Go in to Iraq. It's all milk and cookies." But, for what it's worth, I like you, so I'll be h
: How neat! When was this? Namibian independence? Angolan civil war? Sometime else?
: Absolutely, if I was Emo that is Indeed, I agree with everything that you have said, but I also have a strong sense of adventure and love visiting ne
: Both, really - it was in 1986/1987, did the trip a few times. I was never in actual combat, thank goodness. Not my favourite part of the world, in an
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: suggest you contact Mr Yousef Abu Ras of Teebah Airlines in Amman under telephone +962-79-6955956 or E: firstname.lastname@example.org . He is Iraqi but living
: Fat chance Thank you, very interesting - I shall send him an email
: Fine - be like that ! I'll wait until you're released, in 30-40 years. Or just steal my own. :-P
: No it's not, it he can obtain US residency (re: Green Card), he can join up.
: You are welcome to come along, on the condition that I get the window seats, and that you don't steal my deserts
: Dream on. I ALWAYS get the window seat, it is a law of the Medes and the Persians and cannot be changed. Besides, I am the one with the GDS, remember
: It could almost be worth it to see you squeeze yourself aboard a Yak40 Dan
: They do have teeny little doors. We were parked up next to several YK4's at Astana en route to Almaty, and I did actually wonder if the main cabin do
: Definatly dont go unless u want to end up on a Sky news being shown on a vid Cam tied up about to be killed N0 Security will help you, as mentioned be
: How painful ! I've heard of that: Sturgling: n. (ent. uncert. poss. Old Eng). i. An inflamed condition of the finger caused by typing too fast.
: Blimey, Goof Air or a taxi across IQ? Now that is brave. I'd sooner take the taxi. I'll send a number of a guy i know who'll take you in a car for $2
: Had one fly into LBA once, and yes the rear door/stairs is the normal way to get in/out. Was a strange little a/c, very dark and dim inside from what
: Geezer Dan, I went to Iran last month and had two flights on Saha's 707s, comparable to Concorde, original 60s interiors and just the most gorgeous ma