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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

Right now our current political system is strife with corruption, where once an elected official, many of said officials lose their focus and change their priorities once they are elected to office. It becomes an issue of keeping power, instead of serving their constituents first and their respective state/nation next.
Currently in my opinion, elected officials are most concerned with being re-elected. I think it is time to impose term limits on our national legislators. For a Senator 3 terms of 6 years each shall be enough. In the House of Representatives 5 terms of two years each would be sufficient. This will give new ideas and individuals a chance to have their say in the legislative process. But it will also force the national legislators to move quicker on their agenda. Instead of attending campaign fundraisers, they need to be debating the issues, doing what they are elected to do, and serving their constituents.
I do not support allowing corporations/entities/unions/lobby groups making campaign donations, nor do I support allowing money from outside ones district they hold or are running for election. This will cut down further on corruption and give all Americans an equal voice. I would support raising the donation limit to $10,000 for individuals to give. Corporations and the like cannot vote, only individuals can, therefore they should be the only ones allowed to donate money for that purpose. Candidates can also only spend up to 25,000 of their own money for their campaign. Also elected officials shall not be permitted to accept or pursue jobs as consultants or what have you on the side. Being an elected official means that you shall be held to the highest moral standards and during your time as an elected official, you should only be that.
Campaign advertisements on television shall only appear two weeks before the election date. Contested elections shall have a debate, that can be televised if a local station wishes to air it, but a debate should occur that is open to the public.
I would also make it a holiday where public offices etc were closed on election day to encourage people to vote. Right now on average only one third of registered voters actually vote. These policies I think would go along way in ending the partisan politics, corruption in general and make the races for the most important jobs in America more based on the best person for the job rather than the one who is able to buy their way into office.

Your thoughts?

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User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

I don't know f limiting campaigning is such a good idea, but a limit I would put on it is NO MORE TV ADS THAT CONTAIN LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

Bushpilot, I've been in 'Bama for a week, and it's brutal here. Alaskan's are lightweights with their negative ads compared to the crap I've seen on TV here.

By the by, where are the polls? How's Tony doing? How about the legislature races?


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
Currently in my opinion, elected officials are most concerned with being re-elected. I think it is time to impose term limits on our national legislators. For a Senator 3 terms of 6 years each shall be enough. In the House of Representatives 5 terms of two years each would be sufficient.

Agreed, but I would support only a SINGLE re-elction bid. I want to see more citizen-congressmen and senators, doctors, lawyers, engineers and financial experts who decide to take time off from their careers to serve their country. The greatest scourge of our government is the political class of people who spend their entire adult lives in political office.

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
I do not support allowing corporations/entities/unions/lobby groups making campaign donations, nor do I support allowing money from outside ones district they hold or are running for election.

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Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
I would support raising the donation limit to $10,000 for individuals to give.

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Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
Candidates can also only spend up to 25,000 of their own money for their campaign.

I would increase that a bit. $25K is nothing - it won't even buy you a single ad. If someone is willing to put his own money where his mouth is, more power to him. But maybe there should not be matching funds for his contribution.

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
Also elected officials shall not be permitted to accept or pursue jobs as consultants or what have you on the side.

More importantly, I would put in a law that mirrors non-competition clauses that businesses use when you are leaving an influential post. Say, for 10 years after your term, you are not allowed to work as a lobbyist.

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
Campaign advertisements on television shall only appear two weeks before the election date.

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Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
I would also make it a holiday where public offices etc were closed on election day to encourage people to vote.

That's simple. In Switzerland, voting is usually done on Sunday. It's even treated as a family outing. Move the vote to Sunday (although you might need a constitutional amendment to do it).


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):

Sarah is still ahead in the polls, but it is shrinking. Tonight is the Young/Benson debate. Donny has been ducking her for awhile, will be an interesting one to say the least.
Palin has been getting kicked around pretty good. But you will love this gem from Halcro punking out Tony. I watched it live, and nearly died laughing.
http://www.ktuu.com/cms/anmviewer.asp?a=7068&z=1

I think prop two will fail, which is good, not sure on prop 1, but also the latest is that the GOP majority told Murky they wouldnt show up for his scheduled special session. If they did it would be to gavel in, then gavel out in the same day. Let the new Legs and Gov decide the benefits for same sex couples. They were also real concerned about Murky forcing the gas line deal on them during the session. So they are saying no way.
I went over to the local high school to teach government class today and talk politics with the kids, was a great time. I wasnt surprised they are going Tony out here. Even though Palin has strong ties to DLG. As you probably know her husband Todd is a Dillinghammer. I love politics ANC as you can imagine but I am so ready for this shit to be over with.
The race between Earl Mayo and the Woliwhatshisname has gotten real ugly. Macon Roberts is also running some real nasty ones about Con Bunde, but thats alright because I fuckin hate Con Bunde. He is the biggest asshole in the entire state. My dad drove by Con doing a Floyd type thing on the side of the road, jumping and sign waving. My niece(age 7) was in the truck as well, gave ole Bunde the double bird as they drove by, Dad told her to, said it was alright if it was Con Bunde. She is such a doll.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 4):
My niece(age 7) was in the truck as well, gave ole Bunde the double bird as they drove by, Dad told her to, said it was alright if it was Con Bunde. She is such a doll.

 rotfl 

Be careful, Mirrodie will start a thread about your neice . . .  Wow!

Thanks for the AK politics update . . .

I think it's time for strict term limits, limited donations, and time to END career politicians. They're the downfall of our democracy and will continue to bleed this country until something is done about it.

Tomorrow evening, Alaska will have a new Governor. If Palin gets the nod, that's democracy, but Alaska will step back twenty years when she does.

Good on the legislature for giving Frank the Bank the finger . . . . more or less. He's screwed the gas line deal, screwed the Longevity Bonus, Lied, lied some more, got his jet, screwed the Ferry System, Lied again, and has only been to ONE deployment of the AKNG to Iraq . . . worthless piece of shit. Sometime I ought to send you replies to the dozens of e-mail I have from his staff replying to my browbeating. Good riddance Frank the Bank - and take that bimbo daughter of yours with you.

I am like you, and my Father agrees, It's HALCRO FOR US SENATE! Beat Lisa's ass. . . . .


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
Right now our current political system is strife with corruption, where once an elected official, many of said officials lose their focus and change their priorities once they are elected to office. It becomes an issue of keeping power, instead of serving their constituents first and their respective state/nation next.
Currently in my opinion, elected officials are most concerned with being re-elected. I think it is time to impose term limits on our national legislators. For a Senator 3 terms of 6 years each shall be enough. In the House of Representatives 5 terms of two years each would be sufficient.

I used to believe in term limits. I don't anymore, because I believe that if you are crook and elected to Congress, you'll just maximize the opportunity to line your pockets while you are in office.

The solution? Tighten up the ethics rules, and embark on aggressive prosecution of Members of Congress who violate those rules.

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
I do not support allowing corporations/entities/unions/lobby groups making campaign donations, nor do I support allowing money from outside ones district they hold or are running for election.

Better think about radically changing the First Amendment then. Do you really want to go down that road?

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
Agreed, but I would support only a SINGLE re-elction bid. I want to see more citizen-congressmen and senators, doctors, lawyers, engineers and financial experts who decide to take time off from their careers to serve their country. The greatest scourge of our government is the political class of people who spend their entire adult lives in political office.

The only way term limits would work is if we remove the financial incentive to serve in Congress. Easiest way to do that is to enact a LIFETIME ban on becoming a lobbyist after serving in Congress, and make it flatly illegal to accept ANY financial or in-kind donation from any registered lobbyist.


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
Agreed, but I would support only a SINGLE re-elction bid.

Fair enough, and I respect that, but I was using those terms because it is more difficult for a lone congressman to get things done in only 4 years. If we are going to set limits, we should give them ample time to press thier agenda. I would rethink this, and make it 2 terms for senator, and 4 two year terms for the house.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
Candidates can also only spend up to 25,000 of their own money for their campaign.

I would increase that a bit. $25K is nothing

See I have a skewed view of this. I live in the middle of nowhere AK, where %85 of your campaign funds are for traveling through your district on a chartered C206. I could be negotiable on that. For my local house race(a district the geographical size of Montana) the candidates have raised less than $15k each. But there will also be less than 3000 voters.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
I am like you, and my Father agrees, It's HALCRO FOR US SENATE! Beat Lisa's ass. .

I would tend to agree with you, but I dont think he will run against Lisa, he will take over for Uncle Ted when he kicks the bucket. Lisa and Halcro are old buddies.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):
The solution? Tighten up the ethics rules, and embark on aggressive prosecution of Members of Congress who violate those rules.

I agree, but they all seem to be in that together, willing to cover for each other. It isnt about doing the right thing in thier minds. It is about covering thier own asses and keeping thier party in power. That is a fundamental mentality that hurts America and has made congress the corrupt by practice body that it has become.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):
Better think about radically changing the First Amendment then. Do you really want to go down that road?

I am a large supporter of the first amendment. I dont see how this would take that right away from individuals. It isnt unions/corporations/special interest groups that have the right to free speech, it is the individuals who work for/support those groups. Those individuals can still do that, just not give money as an organization to campaigns. I am a gun owner, and dont want them taken away, but I will not join the NRA because my membership dues go to line the pockets of members of Congress, not into the shooting sports and gun safety. My biggest problem is that the campaign business has become huge. I heard the number 2.8billion as the amount spent on campaigns during this season. When there is collectively that much money on the line, greed becomes a quality they all are interested in. Not the statesman we as Americans deserve.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):
The only way term limits would work is if we remove the financial incentive to serve in Congress. Easiest way to do that is to enact a LIFETIME ban on becoming a lobbyist after serving in Congress, and make it flatly illegal to accept ANY financial or in-kind donation from any registered lobbyist.

I tend to agree with this. Once you have been elected, you cannot be a lobby to the same legislative body. If you are elected to the state government, I would allow one to lobby at the national level.


User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

1 term senators and 2 term representatives

The maximum donation from any individual is $100

No donation from any entity besides individuals

No $10,000-a-plate dinners or other backdoor funding

No political action committees or similar groups

No lobbyists

***biggest change: mandatory voting as in Australia***

Cairo


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3377 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 1):
I don't know f limiting campaigning is such a good idea, but a limit I would put on it is NO MORE TV ADS THAT CONTAIN LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ads are fine but you should not attack your opponent for what they did wrong. You have to show how your platform is good and not how their's sucks. The respective penalty for this will be an automatic disqualification from whatever race you are in.

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
Campaign advertisements on television shall only appear two weeks before the election date. Contested elections shall have a debate, that can be televised if a local station wishes to air it, but a debate should occur that is open to the public.

I know that this will never happen but I wish that US elections were like Canada's in that you only had 3 weeks prior to the election to campaign and thats it. I think that is so much better that the 4 years that US politics runs for it seems like, I heard on CNN and its so true that the 2008 presidential campaingn basically started on Nov 3rd, 2004 (the day after the last presdential election)



Engineers Rule The World!!!!!
User currently offlineExarmywarrant From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):
Better think about radically changing the First Amendment then. Do you really want to go down that road?

Halls is right about this one...

It's interesting how people who would scream bloody murder if someone tried to restrict their right of free speech are so quick to try and restrict others'.

If I as an individual or a member of a group want to buy an ad or publish a paper stating my opinion, I have a right to do so. If the opinion I wish to state is "Senator McBluster should be reelected" or Congressman Fartswallow should be run out of office" I have an absolute right to do so. Any restriction on that right is a violation of our constitution. Be careful messing with that - it could come back to bite you!


User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):
Better think about radically changing the First Amendment then. Do you really want to go down that road?



Quoting Exarmywarrant (Reply 10):
It's interesting how people who would scream bloody murder if someone tried to restrict their right of free speech are so quick to try and restrict others'.

No, children, you don't have to "radically change" the first ammendment.

Free speech is restricted all the time. There are words you can not use in broadcasting. There are threats you can not make against elected officials. There are things you can't say in crowded theatres. There is speech at airports and on airplanes that gets you arrested...and so forth.

There rarely comes a time when the sacred theory of free speech is overweighed by its practical consequences - but this is one of those times.

The role of money has no place in an election in a democratic election. Those with more of it should not have louder voices than those without it.
The right of free speech is here outweighed by the need for equality where elections are concerned.

You can argue the pros and cons of the restriction, but arguing that it requires changing the constitution is ignorant, considering all the other times free speech is already restricted.

Cairo


User currently offlineExarmywarrant From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 11):
No, children



Quoting Cairo (Reply 11):
arguing that it requires changing the constitution is ignorant

I'd give a lot more weight to your argument if you were a little less condescending, sir...


User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

http://www.usconstitution.net/

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
For a Senator 3 terms of 6 years each shall be enough. In the House of Representatives 5 terms of two years each would be sufficient.

See the above link, To get term limits you need an amendment. Not worth the fight.

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
do not support allowing corporations/entities/unions/lobby groups making campaign donations, nor do I support allowing money from outside ones district they hold or are running for election.

This might be possible, the first says "the right of the people"not corporations.

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
Candidates can also only spend up to 25,000 of their own money for their campaign. Also elected officials shall not be permitted to accept or pursue jobs as consultants or what have you on the side.

Sort of goes against The Declaration of Independence, something about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I.E. do what you want and spend your money how you want to.


There is a lot that needs to be changed, I just don't know how you could do it. Making laws is totally different than any other job that I know. You have to be a Dr. to make good medicine, A baker to make bread but ANYONE can make a good law. I could never be elected(too many skeletons in my closet) but I bet I would make good laws. (All red headed people named Dan get free lap-dances--see thats a great law)

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

Congressional seats should be auctioned on eBay. Profits from sales would go to reducing the national debt. Makes a lot more sense than wasting all the money on negative campaign ads.

They should also sell naming rights to Senate seats. Instead of a Senator from Utah, you'd have a Krispy Kreme Senator from Utah.

[Edited 2006-11-08 02:05:22]

User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

Quoting Exarmywarrant (Reply 10):
I have a right to do so. If the opinion I wish to state is "Senator McBluster should be reelected" or Congressman Fartswallow should be run out of office" I have an absolute right to do so. Any restriction on that right is a violation of our constitution. Be careful messing with that - it could come back to bite you!

I am not saying they dont have the right to say that at all, it is just that you cannot give money to the candidate. This goes along with outside money. It is not right for outside influence to have a say in an election that has geographic bounds.

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 13):
See the above link, To get term limits you need an amendment. Not worth the fight.

Fair enough, and I think that is worth the fight. Was it not worth the fight to let 18 year olds vote? How about women? Was it worth the fight for repealing prohibition? I think term limits is a legitimate amendment and worth it. Unfortunatly those who vote on and write the amendments are the ones giving up those powers. Like I have said before, politics is more about gaining and keeping power than giving it away, that is where the fight is.

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 13):
This might be possible, the first says "the right of the people"not corporations.

My point exactly. Corporations/unions/organizations are made up of individuals who are more than welcome to speak thier minds. But it is not right or fair for someone who does not live in the district under concern to have thier elections influenced.

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 13):
Sort of goes against The Declaration of Independence, something about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I.E. do what you want and spend your money how you want to.

Fair enough, but the DoI is not law. It is a set of beliefs. I think the writers of that document would be real disappointed to see what our elections have turned into. What I am trying to avoid is someone buying away the election which happens every year. Rather than the person elected being the best person for the job, not the richest.


User currently offlineSprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 11):
There are words you can not use in broadcasting

You are confusing rights and regulations. I can say what I want but if I want to "broadcast" (the govt owns the airwaves) I have to conform to the regs.
If I want to make the "Get Rid Of Slimy girlS aka GROSS"(Calvin and Hobbes any one?) club, I have the right to, but I cant be funded by the Govt.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 11):
There are threats you can not make against elected officials. There are things you can't say in crowded theatres. There is speech at airports and on airplanes that gets you arrested.

And if you say those things they go against MY rights to life ,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness


Dan in Jupiter


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