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How Much Of "Borat" Is Staged? (spoiliers)  
User currently onlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5758 posts, RR: 32
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 30077 times:

Just wondering if anyone know the extent to which "Borat!: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan" is staged? There has to be some of it, as in, for example, the scenes where he and Azamat stay in the Jewish couples B&B and where he gets a lift from the guys in a camper van. There is obviously a cameraman present, whom the other actors completely ignore.

Pamela Anderson surely HAD to be in on the whole thing, as I couldn't imagine him getting away with literally bagging her without (a) having the arse sued off him or (b) being thrown in the slammer.

Some of the scenes, particularly the crowd ones in New York were simple Candid Camera sketches, but others obviously couldn't have been done without the victims being aware of a cameraman being present. Some were credibly presented as an interview with a Kazakh reporter so no suspicion would have been aroused.

The black prostitute must have been in on the whole thing too, seeing she ends-up his wife.

So just how many people in the film knew what was going on? I'm not complaining, btw, as it is absolutely hilarious.

Also, I heard that he came close to being lynched after the rodeo scene, which wouldn't surprise me as that crowd got VERY ugly. He's a brave man. Anyone know the story here?

Just curious.

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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 30070 times:

Pamela anderson, The black woman, The campervan, the naked man fight, the part when the kids ran to the ice cream truck when the bear was in there.

Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently onlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5758 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 30068 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 1):
Pamela anderson, The black woman, The campervan, the naked man fight, the part when the kids ran to the ice cream truck when the bear was in there.

Rgds --James--

Thanks James, now that you mention it, the bear scenes had to be too. What about the naked chase through the hotel? Parts of it seemed genuine enough. Where'd you get your info, btw?


User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 30067 times:

My dads mate is a Producer and done a bit of work on the film.

Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently onlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5758 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 30059 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 3):
My dads mate is a Producer and done a bit of work on the film.

Rgds --James--

Aha! From the horses mouth! Can you ask him the story behind the rodeo scene?

Thanks in advance.


User currently offlineJeffSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 838 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 30030 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 4):
Aha! From the horses mouth! Can you ask him the story behind the rodeo scene?

Thanks in advance.

That really happened because I remember it hit the newswires last year (September?) after it nearly caused a riot in Virginia or North Carolina.


User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 30029 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 4):
Can you ask him the story behind the rodeo scene?

It did happen, also he said he's not sure whether the rodeo guy talking to him at the beginning of that scene is staged or not.

Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently onlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5758 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 30017 times:

Quoting JeffSFO (Reply 5):
That really happened because I remember it hit the newswires last year (September?) after it nearly caused a riot in Virginia or North Carolina

Got any links to the story Jeff?


User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 30010 times:

The rodeo scene occured at the Salem Civic Center in Virginia. It was not staged, and yes, it caused quite a scene.


Free-thinking, left-leaning secularist
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 29996 times:

What a boring film. It looked like it was going to be interesting, and on the edge like good comedy can be, with the 'running of the Jew', but the film really tanked after that.

Talk about hitting soft targets. Telling perfectly reasonable feminists that women have a brain the size of a squirrel, and singing a clearly bollocks version of the Khazak national anthem at a rodeo? There's nothing particularly funny about that, it's just boring with predictable results.

The film also tries to hint at things that aren't true. When he beings the prostitute to the dinner the implication is that they send him away because she's black. That's simply not true, the entire dinner had broken down by then.

The proof that the film isn't as funny or clever as it wants to be is the number of times it has to resort to gross-out humour in order to get a laugh. For example, when he brings the back of shit to the table or the naked wrestling.

Finally, there's a serious undercurrent of anti-Americanism in the UK. Unfortunately, it seems to be cool to be anti-American and this film is simply cashing in on that and fueling it.


User currently onlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5758 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 29987 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
What a boring film. It looked like it was going to be interesting, and on the edge like good comedy can be, with the 'running of the Jew', but the film really tanked after that.

I think you're in the minority here. Look at the box office! And as for being anti-American, it was the biggest box-office hit in the States last weekend, and it was only shown in 800+ cinemas. No 2 was shown in over 2,000. Americans are well able to laugh at themselves, and it was not just directed at Americans: take out the rodeo crowd and the evangelicals, and you could find the other victims anywhere.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
When he beings the prostitute to the dinner the implication is that they send him away because she's black. That's simply not true, the entire dinner had broken down by then.

I don't agree with you here: it was one factor, but she would have been VERY out of place at that gathering the way she was dressed. As you say, the dinner had broken down by then.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
Finally, there's a serious undercurrent of anti-Americanism in the UK. Unfortunately, it seems to be cool to be anti-American and this film is simply cashing in on that and fueling it.

I only went to see it because it had been awarded 5 stars by two of the broadsheet Sunday papers I buy. And in one of them, The Sunday Times, the critic is Cosmo Landesman, an American, who loved it.

Along with Breakfast on Pluto, it's the funniest film of the year.


User currently offlineJeffSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 838 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 29958 times:

Quoting JeffSFO (Reply 5):
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 4):
Aha! From the horses mouth! Can you ask him the story behind the rodeo scene?

Thanks in advance.

That really happened because I remember it hit the newswires last year (September?) after it nearly caused a riot in Virginia or North Carolina.

I don't have any links to the story from when it was first reported, but this story makes reference to it:

http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=5622640

Had a good laugh back when I first read about it.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 29928 times:

I just realized King Julien is Sacha Baron Cohen.



Mark


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29914 times:

I don't think all of it is set up - I was reading a review of it at the weekend, and apparently Cohen and the crew were (or were nearly) arrested plenty of times:

Quote:
It was at this point that I started to fear for Baron Cohen's life. I learn from the production notes that shortly afterwards a group of angry rodeo hands on horseback surrounded the film-makers' van, demanding that they be lynched.

Even when Borat was being less provocative, the eight-person film crew rarely passed a day without being arrested.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._article_id=414313&in_page_id=1924



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User currently offlineYWG From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 1146 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29906 times:

I think he says the funniest line I've ever heard about a woman in my life:

"....and here vagine hang loose, like sleeve of wizard!!"



Contact Winnipeg center now on 134.4, good day.
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5404 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 29882 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 1):
The campervan

James, are you sure that portion was completely staged? Psi Chi is a social fraternity at my alma mater, the University of South Carolina, and looking through their rush guide online the heavier guy does appear in a photo.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineYWG From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 1146 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 29842 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 15):
the heavier guy does appear in a photo.

He will undoutbably be a living legend at the university now, lol.



Contact Winnipeg center now on 134.4, good day.
User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 29790 times:

"You mean to tell me that the man who wanted to put a rubber fist up my anus was a homosexual??!!"

 Big grin ROFL!


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5404 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 29750 times:

Quoting YWG (Reply 16):
He will undoutbably be a living legend at the university now, lol.

Looks like they may not want to be...

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5661400

Two fraternity brothers aren't laughing about their roles in the "Borat" movie. They're suing, claiming they were duped into appearing in the spoof documentary.

The guys allege they were liquored-up by a production crew, which led them to make racist and sexist comments that they otherwise wouldn't have made.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 29735 times:

There was a thing on Tonight With Treveor McDonald recently and they interviewed a bloke who ran the rodeo, there was nothing staged as Sacha BC had to be taken away at speed after the filming!


What Goes Up Must Come Down, Hopefully In One Piece!
User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1962 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 29719 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 18):

Looks like they may not want to be...

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5661400

Two fraternity brothers aren't laughing about their roles in the "Borat" movie. They're suing, claiming they were duped into appearing in the spoof documentary.

The guys allege they were liquored-up by a production crew, which led them to make racist and sexist comments that they otherwise wouldn't have made.



Those poor poor underprivileged, discriminated-against frat-boys. Yeah, I'm so sure that back at the frat house they would NEVER get drunk and say these things...

[Edited 2006-11-10 17:21:24]


It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 29710 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 10):
I think you're in the minority here. Look at the box office!

That's no indication of how good a film is, just look at Pirates Of The Caribbean II.

It was a one-joke pony. It's like any character. Take Vicky Pollard for example from Little Britain; a very funny character but would I want to watch her for 90 minutes?

 no 


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5404 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 29696 times:

Quoting N229NW (Reply 20):
Yeah, I'm so sure that back at the frat house they would NEVER get drunk and say these things...

Are you alleging drunken debauchery occurs at this place (note: this is in fact the actual Chi Psi frat house at the University of South Carolina)? Surely you jest, sir!  Wink



Well, I do suppose they have to pay that $3,200 a semester rent somehow...

At any rate, I'd love to know how much, if any, of the dinner party was staged and what, precisely, SBC actually had in the plastic bag.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 29675 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 15):
James, are you sure that portion was completely staged?

He said that yes they were students, but they also were in on it, he said they were also drunk and the film was given to them (the Pamela porn film).

Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineJeffSFO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 838 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 29662 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 23):
Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 15):
James, are you sure that portion was completely staged?

He said that yes they were students, but they also were in on it, he said they were also drunk and the film was given to them (the Pamela porn film).

Here's some more info on the story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061110/ap_on_en_mo/film_borat_lawsuit


25 N229NW : What does "in on it" mean? Obviously, they knew they were being filmed, but apparently didn't realize it would be aired in a widely disptributed movi
26 Braybuddy : Oh sure! I was just making the point that he's in the minority, going by the success of the film.
27 TPAflyer : I thought it was one of the more funnier things Ive ever seen. I was in tears for several scences. Sacha BC is a comical genius. I think he should mak
28 Garnetpalmetto : My understanding was that SBC was speaking Hebrew with some Slavic words/phrases mixed in and that Ken Davitian (Azamat) was speaking Armenian
29 Braybuddy : Agreed, but you're going to have the poker-faced critics because it is so popular. Was wondering about that . . . several times he used a phrase whic
30 Killjoy : I agree that being gross isn't funny on its own, like so many other "comedies" seem to believe, but I don't think this was the case with Borat. There
31 FSPilot747 : I like this quote from the aforementioned article: "It obviously doesn't make us look good by any stretch of the imagination," said Harris Todd, a 19-
32 TNNH : that naked wrestling scene in the hotel was just ridiculous. i couldn't watch, i had to look away in disgust. that kind of behavior transends the bora
33 Braybuddy : While I think it was drawn out, it wasn´t any more ridiulous than any of the other scenes in the film.
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