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User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6424 times:

My company car is up for renewal at the end of the year and I can't decide what to go for next. My criteria is 50mpg, leather interior, plenty of toys (cruise, climate etc) and comfortable to be in. I've narrowed it down to 3 possibilites:

Saab 9-3 Vector Sport 1.9 TiD (120) - Most expensive, well equiped with extras

Ford Focus Saloon Ghia 1.8 TDCI (115) - cheapest but best equiped with lots of added options

Audi A3 2.0 TDI SE (140) - Most powerful, but expensive for not much equipment

Which would you go for? I've got all 3 booked for test drives over the next month which will hopefully help make my mind up. Which would you go for?

Thanks,

Darren


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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

Quoting Dazbo5 (Thread starter):
Ford Focus Saloon Ghia 1.8 TDCI (115) - cheapest but best equiped with lots of added options

Hopefully its not the same Focus that is sold in the states. The Saab looks really good, has the toys, and if you're driving alot comfort is important.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
Hopefully its not the same Focus that is sold in the states.

Nope, the Europeans have a much better version than we do. Inexplicably, they haven't brought it to the states yet.



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6368 times:

I'd take the Saab. my dad and I rented it back in June over in England and it is such a great car! Same engine as the one you're looking at. Lots of punch too!

User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6368 times:
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Get the Audi. As you'll see, it's got great handling, and feels like a much more substantial and higher quality car than the others.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

Quoting Dazbo5 (Thread starter):
Ford Focus Saloon Ghia 1.8 TDCI

Why saloon? It's the most useless version (and ugliest imho).

Judging purely on the looks, Saab looks just awesome.

http://www.saab-leipzig.de/main/saab-galerie/saab_9-3_sport-combi_2.jpg


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

http://forum.avtoindex.com/foto/data/media/67/2006_Saab_9-3_SportSedan_2.jpg


mmmmm :P


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6336 times:

http://www.auto.cz/plakaty/2005-15/4sa1_425c562e4c5da.jpg

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6335 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 7):

Nice rims!


User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6327 times:

The 9-3s are incredible motors, really comfortable on the motorway, and the suspension (provided you do not choose the sport model) is better than the SE model A4 (we've had both this year!)

Thanks
Alex


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6297 times:

I'd go with the Saab.

Mark


User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6266 times:

Pretty much a unanimous decision! The Saab is the most expensive of my options, but then again, its the most appealing. Ticks all the right boxes. It's a decision that'll last for the next 4 years so it has to be the right one, especially when looking at the most expensive model on our list! I've just seen they've released the first images of the 2007 facelift model with the new interior, looks a bit better than the old one. My only reservation about the 9-3 is they look 'cheap' inside for a £24,000 car (by the time you've added leather and the convenience pack). It's looking like the 9-3 Vector Sport is favourite though  Smile If anyone see's it parked around Manchester Airport from February, please be careful!

Thanks guys,

Darren



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1833 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

The engine on the saab is the same on my Alfa 147, it's probably the less 'dieselized' of all diesels around, has a pretty good punch on lower revs.

Great choice Big grin


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6253 times:

Incidentally, unless you do more than about 6,000 private miles a year, then it's often financially a better option to buy your own car if your company offers a car allowance scheme.

Just thought I'd throw that one in.  Wink



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User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6239 times:

JJJ,

I beleive the engine in a GM / Fiat powerplant which is also used in the Astra and a few other GM owned brands. From what I've seen, its a little noisier and ruffer than the 2.0HDI Peugeot unit I'm used to, but decent enough.


Banco,

I've had a company car for the best part of 10 years, this one being my 3rd. Once you work out the sums (cost of lease contributions and company car tax in this case), it makes financial sense in my case to have a company car. Over the next 4 years, the Saab will lose about 50%, ie £12,000 in depreciation alone. Then theirs maintenance, insurance, tax etc on top of that so our company lease scheme is by far a better option in my case. It costs way less to contribute to the lease and pay the £58 / month tax than you'd lose in depreciation alone!

I don't do many personal miles which is one of the reasons why a company car is better in my case. I refuse to shell out £24,000 to put stupid miles on it every year. We do have a half decent mileage rate, 46p for the first 4,000 miles then it drops to 23p for the rest (I think). But even with that, in terms of depreciation for an extra 10,000 business miles on top of personal miles, fuel, maintenance, business insurance etc, its hardly worthwhile in my case. On a cheap run-around, its worth it, but not on a decent set of wheels. Another reason is its hassle free motoring, if anything happens, they deliver you a replacement the day after! (or an equivelent temporary car until its replaced).

Thanks again for all your input.



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6237 times:

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 14):
ruffer than the 2.0HDI Peugeot unit I'm used to

What model of peugeot do you have at the moment?
Whats your annual mileage likely to be like?
Thanks
Alex


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 14):
I've had a company car for the best part of 10 years, this one being my 3rd. Once you work out the sums (cost of lease contributions and company car tax in this case), it makes financial sense in my case to have a company car.

Ah, that's fine. If you've done the sums and it works for you then good on you. The only reason I raised it is because so many people jump at a company car option when it isn't always the best thing for them.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 15):
What model of peugeot do you have at the moment?
Whats your annual mileage likely to be like?
Thanks

307 HDI Executive (the 2.0 110bhp version). I average about 10,000 miles a year (8,000 business, 2,000 personal). I quite like the 307 HDI in the executive spec, but I just wanted something bigger (more boot space and rear legroom) while retaining all the toys. I'm not too fussed about performance figures as long as it returns approx. 50mpg and is comfy. Thats where the 9-3 comes in! On our company lease scheme, the 307 currently cost me £76 / month to lease + £46 tax (this is personal contributions since we have a 2/7th system). The 9-3 Vector Sport + extras is quoted as £133 / month + £54 tax. A bit of a jump but my last pay rise covers the extra   In all, it'll cost me around £8,000 over the 4 year lease period. I claim fuel back so no need to include this in the calculations   That's why its cheaper to have the company foot the majority of the bill rather than shell out £24K! I don't do enough personal miles to warrent it.




Darren

[Edited 2006-11-10 14:28:21]


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User currently offlineGOTbound From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6163 times:

No brainer...

VOLVO V50 D5! 5 cylinder 185 hp, 350 nm... be sure to get the sportpackage.

vroooooooom!

EK


User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

Quoting GOTbound (Reply 18):
No brainer...

VOLVO V50 D5! 5 cylinder 185 hp, 350 nm... be sure to get the sportpackage

That's not on our list to choose from unfortunately. Volvo's are rather expensive beasts to lease as well for some reason.

Darren



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

Quoting Dazbo5 (Thread starter):

Audi A3 2.0 TDI SE (140) - Most powerful, but expensive for not much equipment

No brainer. In the long run the Audi is the most economical, far cheaper to own and operate over the time of use.

Take the Audi.



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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6108 times:



That car(??) does all the talking.


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 20):
most economical, far cheaper to own and operate over the time of use.

Since he's choosing a car paid for by hic company I think he can afford the luxury of the factors you've mantioned not being necessarily the top priority.

BTW, what is it with Saab's dashboards being so damn ugly, looking like they've been taken them from some American truck? They are simply hideous and as far as I remember they always been, definitely since the 900/9000 era.


User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 21):

You must have no taste in cars, that car is  vomit 

Tom.



Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6073 times:

Personally, I'd go for the Focus TDCi, if you're looking for a drivers car that is. Even with the boot it will outhandle the other two you have on your list. The TDCi engine packs a lot of punch too whilst returning good economy.

 Smile

Rgds.


25 Runway23 : Tom, never said I liked it far from it. It was voted European car of the year a few years ago. That to me still remains a mystery.
26 WildcatYXU : That sounds like as hell of a deal to me, at least in comparison to Canada, however I don't know the fuel and insurance costs in the UK.
27 Walter747 : i hope its not the US ford focus. thats a piece of shit.
28 Post contains images Jamie757 : It's no mystery to me because, believe it or not, it WAS a good car, despite its looks. Loads of room inside, drove well, decent engines, the JTD esp
29 Post contains images Dazbo5 : It's way more expensive over hear than in Canada! Currently, Diesel is about 90p a litre (£4.20 / gallon). I bet it's not much more than that for a
30 Post contains links WildcatYXU : That's expensive. I've just travelled trough Canada almost coast to coast (Creston,BC to St.John's, NF) so I have a good idea about current fuel pric
31 Post contains images Jamie757 : Something that I think is important to bear in mind if considering the Saab, is that essentially you're sitting on a slightly tweaked Opel/Vauxhall V
32 Post contains images Dazbo5 : That's very true, but its more than just a tweak and there's more to a car than just the chassis. Their's not much wrong with the Vectra as a platfor
33 Post contains images Jamie757 : Absolutely, enjoy your test drives and keep us posted on what you find from them. Rgds.
34 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : My company ride! 2005 Chevy 2500 Panel Van.
35 LH526 : Go for Saab! Take a seat in the cockpit and you will see! BTW ... they also built planes, so that's probably as tight to aviation as you can go in reg
36 WildcatYXU : I know the Vectra (at least the pre 2001 models, past 2001 I came back to Europe only a few times and virtually never drove) as well as I know the Go
37 Post contains images Cornish : Hi Darren, Well I've had a fair bit of experience of all three cars (or versions of) of late. I own an A3, my partner's brother and boss both have 9-3
38 ThePRGuy : Thats GM for you! The new CTS from Caddilac is basically a G6/9-3 with cadillac badging INterior is more or less Saab Thanks Alex
39 WildcatYXU : Wrong, sir. The CTS is not new and it's RWD. The model you're talking about is the BTS, only available in EU. BTW, the G6 is not the 9-3 either, it's
40 Dazbo5 : Thanks Cornish, your detailed post has helped. I've got all 3 ordered for test drives but the lease company is messing me about at the moment, they're
41 Bongo : My choice: Audi .
42 TNNH : im a saab 9-3 owner. very satisfied so far. like the car a lot, but i think my next will be an suv. i want something larger
43 Post contains links and images Dazbo5 : Thanks again for all your replies, much appreciated. I just thought I'd post an update. The company has now reviewed our car policy and taken off some
44 QXatFAT : Gotta go with the Saab
45 Columba : Either the Saab or the Audi. Both are great cars. But as I see that your choice is the Diesel engine I would advice you to have a test drive with the
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