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Where Are The Calls For Recounts?  
User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

Now that the last Senate seat has gone, where are all the calls for recounts in the close call elections? When they lose close ones the democrats cry like babies about how not all the votes were counted, people were intimidated, they had to gasp wait in line to vote and such. Now you have at least 3 senate races that were extremely close calls and not one peep about a recount, just to make sure they won fairly and squarely.

Who are the sore losers?

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User currently offlineTraindriver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

I be wanting a recount.



Signed,
Al Sharpton


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

The 2000 election and its recount fiasco was an embarrassment for American politics. As a result, new recount rules and standards were developed.

Generally, recounts are legally REQUIRED if the vote totals between the two highest vote-getters is a less than 0.5%. This relieves the 2nd place person from appearing a whining crybaby. It's safe to say that any recounts that are occurring after this election are those required by law.

It's now considered honorable to admit defeat if the difference is greater than 0.5%.

Mark


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5037 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Quoting RJdxer (Thread starter):
Who are the sore losers?

Oh I don't know, YOU for immediately starting to bitch and cry about the Democrats the moment they kicked your ass? Not to mention that 'the republicans not being crybabies' has nothing to do with anything, as per AsstChiefMark's post.

But hey, woudn't want to let facts get in the way of a good old democrat bash, now would we?


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
YOU for immediately starting to bitch and cry about the Democrats the moment they kicked your ass?

Well, for once, not mentioning the 2000 election, in 2004 the Democrats were prepared to sue over a 157,000 count difference in the presidential vote in Ohio. Remember that?

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
But hey, woudn't want to let facts get in the way of a good old democrat bash, now would we?

No, this is a valid point. If you go back to the 2004 elections, the Democrats were demanding recounts and calling 'vote fraud' over margins that were a lot bigger than several races we have now.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Quoting RJdxer (Thread starter):
Who are the sore losers?

Here's the thing:
A) You are MOSTLY right
B) This election didn't have the irregularities as in 00


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):
Here's the thing:
A) You are MOSTLY right
B) This election didn't have the irregularities as in 00

Not to mention the major fact that Al Gore had won the popular vote. Which again shows why the Electoral Vote system is archaic and needs to go.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

Hmmm, is it really an accurate comparison when you are talking about an 800 vote margin in the 4th largest state in the country in a Presidential election and a 7000 vote margin in a state with less than half the population in a Senatoral election?


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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

Who cares about calling for recounts..?

We already have all sorts of wanker right-wingers predicting the apocalypse since the Democrats have fairly won back Congress... that's pathetic enough, thanks.



Bad spellers of the world... UNTIE!
User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):
) This election didn't have the irregularities as in 00

So when democrats win and republicans are mature enough to concede even though the vote counts are a lot closer in several of those elections than they were in other years when it went the other way, then that means that every vote was counted, nobody was denied their right to vote, no ballots or electronic machines were screwed up, nobody was intimidated, no fraud occured, and everything is as it should be right?

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 6):
Not to mention the major fact that Al Gore had won the popular vote.

Nice try, but the facts and all the recounts by election officials and news media, no matter how they twisted them, say differently.


I guess this ends the urban myth that Diebold and their evil conservative friends will control all elections from now on! Of course that will only last until the next GOP President is elected.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 6):
Which again shows why the Electoral Vote system is archaic and needs to go.

I would suggest rethinking that one. The Democrats had their hopes in the 2004 elections with Ohio, where there was a 157,000 vote difference. If Ohio had gone for Kerry, Kerry would have won the election by the electoral college, not by the popular vote, which GWB handily won. In 2004, the Democrats did not call for an end to the electoral college.

Quoting A332 (Reply 8):
We already have all sorts of wanker right-wingers predicting the apocalypse since the Democrats have fairly won back Congress... that's pathetic enough, thanks

Well, then you are reading incorrect sources. I have not heard anything but blame by conservatives against the GOP and their failed campaigning. Here is a reference if you care to read it:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/H...d_not_taken__forfeiting_a_majority


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

My source is this very forum and the many other forums I read and contribute to each and every day... let's not forget, they ARE American voters, just like you... and each and every one of them has a right to their opinion... and trust me, you're not alone out there.  Wink


Bad spellers of the world... UNTIE!
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

A332, this forum DOES NOT represent a complete selection of all the varied opinions that people have. You have several righties in this forum, some who might have blamed the Democrats for the GOPs loss, I wasnt one of them and dont plan to do that. That sweeping generalization you do is not correct and made it seem as if the mainstream conservative commentators share that opinion. That is not the case. And I provided you with reference to it.

You wouldnt like if I generalize against the groups you belong to, dont do the same to others.


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Note I said 'many other forums'... don't think for a moment this is my only source of entertainment.

And that being said, you make it seem as if forums do not cater to enlighted people with factual information... and that simply is not true...

...and guess what, I am fully aware that the idiots do not represent the majority, they never have. The original post simply showcases the reality of post-election 2006... that poor sportsmanship is rampant on both sides.



Bad spellers of the world... UNTIE!
User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 6):
Which again shows why the Electoral Vote system is archaic and needs to go.

Yes, because that way you could win elections without having to bother with the sparsely populated areas. Those in the 10 or 15 biggest cities could decide who leads the country. Perfect solution. Who cares what people in Kansas or South Dakota think? They are not nearly as important.



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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Hmmm, is it really an accurate comparison when you are talking about an 800 vote margin in the 4th largest state in the country in a Presidential election and a 7000 vote margin in a state with less than half the population in a Senatoral election?

I don't know, I was thinking of this one and Florida in 2000.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 10):
The Democrats had their hopes in the 2004 elections with Ohio, where there was a 157,000 vote difference. If

Then again, should it make any difference, shouldn't all the votes be counted equally or are democratic votes worth more than gop votes?


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

There are none.

Tester and Webb won by small margins, both smaller than the >100K margin that Kerry lost Ohio to Bush in 2004. However, we heard nothing but bitching for months afterward.

A very clear comparison if there was ever was one.

BTW, those Diebold machines really did work for evil Karl Rove, didn't they?  Yeah sure



Tort reform now. Throw lawyers in jail later.
User currently offlineTurbo7x7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Message to all right-wingers:

There were no recounts called for because the losers didn't want to be HUMILIATED YET AGAIN when the recount shows they lost by an EVEN BIGGER MARGIN than the first count!  Big grin  Big grin


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Quoting Turbo7x7 (Reply 17):
There were no recounts called for because the losers didn't want to be HUMILIATED YET AGAIN when the recount shows they lost by an EVEN BIGGER MARGIN than the first count!

I know, I call that the Al Gore syndrome. I keep telling my fellow right-wingers not to play it like losing left-wingers.

BTW, I guess GOP did a really good job reforming the election system, since I heard no Democrat complain. Wouldnt you agree?


User currently offlineJ_Hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

As I recall, on this election day, I was hearing news about compaints about voting issues and that the Dems had starting complaining and whining as usual, but as soon as they won, then all was just fine...so when they win, it's fine to have problems, but when the same issues occur and we win, then it's wrong and needs to be fixed immediately...seems that there are some differences between the two sides...


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 15):
I don't know, I was thinking of this one and Florida in 2000.

Again, read my post.



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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Again, read my post

You'll have to do a better job of spelling it out for me. Again, what difference does it make if it is 1, 800, or 157,000? Shouldn't all irregularities be investigated no matter who wins? J-Hallgren has it right....

Quoting J_Hallgren (Reply 19):
As I recall, on this election day, I was hearing news about compaints about voting issues and that the Dems had starting complaining and whining as usual, but as soon as they won, then all was just fine...so when they win, it's fine to have problems

I too heard those same complaints. There was even a thread on this forum about supposed calls made to democratic voters in Missouri saying if you showed up to vote you would be arrested. Soon as their candidate got the lead, no more complaints. In one heavily gop precinct where there are over 2000 registered gop voters, only 150 ballots were issued to the precinct captain, rather than complain they used a copy machine to make more. In Philadelphia, a gop poll watcher was denied entrance to a polling place because as the poll worker put it, "this is a 100 percent democratic district".
Yet you don't hear the wailing that you have heard from democrats in the past do you? I would think that they would want and welcome a recount to validate their narrow margin of victories. But alas, you only complain if you are the loser and we see now who is better at letting the people speak.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

If I am correct, there are about 5 Congressional seats that are still to be decided upon the filing of the certified count, which (depending on the state) will be filled in the next 2-3 weeks. Some of those may be subject to recounts, but it will not affect the Democrat's control of the House.
While there were numerous complaints about voting machine and related voting irregularites, they were quite scattered and with many resolved or alternatives used quickly. There there were plenty of lawyers out there from both parties to deal with them, if needed. Probably there was a more typical level of problems and perhaps less than expected. Also important, there was not the stakes involved unlike 2000 or to a lesser extent, 2004 as to the Presidental race.


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Quoting Turbo7x7 (Reply 17):
Message to all right-wingers:

There were no recounts called for because the losers didn't want to be HUMILIATED YET AGAIN when the recount shows they lost by an EVEN BIGGER MARGIN than the first count!

Message to you:

There were no recounts because Repubs lose honorably, and because there are no sore losers like Dean, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton playing some victim/race card.

Republicans messed up, are kicking themselves for it, and blaming no one but themselves for it.



Tort reform now. Throw lawyers in jail later.
User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Interesting situation in Florida..ironically, to see who will succeed Katherine Harris (Secretary of State during the 2000 election mess). The Republican,
Vern Buchannan, won, according to the initial tallies, by less than 400 votes.
So there will be a recount. The thing that's raising eyebrows is that 18-thousand people who voted didn't vote in the Congressional race..which was one of the most expensive ..and nastiest, in the country. The local elections supervisor has asked the state for an audit, once the recount's completed.
The "undervote "gets several explanations..either people were disgusted with both candidates and all the negative ads..or where the race was placed on the ballot..which, IMHO, is probably the reason. Another bit of irony...the people in Sarasota county voted to have a "paper trail" in future elections..
TPAnx  Yeah sure



I read the news today..oh boy
25 Jaysit : There is a big reason why, and its got precious little to do with the so-called trumpeted character of Republicans. Ha. The electoral districts where
26 Scbriml : People who start threads like this one?
27 Post contains images Charger :
28 Post contains images Turbo7x7 : EXACTLY. A recount and investigation would undoubtedly show FAR more, ahem, "irregularities" on the pro-GOP side.
29 AndesSMF : Source? And all the Democrats calls for recounts in the last few elections indicated what?
30 N1120A : You pay any attention to Montana? Sure, if there are actual irregularities. As it is, the irregularities and voter intimidation was going on on the R
31 AndesSMF : Again, this is based on pure hearsay, with the conviction being done w/o any form of real evidence. You, as an attorney, know that these 'irregularit
32 N1120A : Where are the accusations coming from? Who are saying, en masse, that they were affected? Are you saying we shouldn't investigate anything where peop
33 AndesSMF : Do you recall all the news stories about voting problems in Nov. 7? And this is not about GOPers asking for recounts or making accussations. This is
34 Gunsontheroof : None of these races are anywhere near as close as the one's Democrats have been "whining" about in recent years. You really expect George Allen to ca
35 GuitrThree : Oh really? Up until this election, liberals were STILL crying over the Diebold machines stealing the OH 2004 election, and that was won by Bush by 15
36 Texdravid : Exactly. George Allen ran an awful campaign, was a turd on the stump, and now has no political future. However, to his credit, he took the high road
37 RJdxer : Evidently you are. As long as it's democrats winning everything is fair and square and on the up and up. Let a democrat lose and it's Katy bar the do
38 Post contains images Turbo7x7 : LMFAO! The right-wingers here are soooo blind. There's only one logical reason why they didn't ask for a recount. Republicans cheat more. And they fea
39 GuitrThree : Yea.. please DO inform us here. I'd love to hear PROVEN, SPECIFIC examples of voter intimidation, misinformation, etc, etc... Please.. INFORM US... A
40 Scamp : Which is about the ONLY thing the do honorably. As long as the operative word is LOSE.
41 Post contains images Turbo7x7 : Oh, come on now. Are you really that naive? Or maybe just blind? Do you REALLY honestly think that someone as aggresive and devious as Karl Rove woul
42 SATX : I would like nothing more than for the GOP to investigate any close calls they aren't comfortable with and I wouldn't call it whining. Personally I th
43 Post contains images NWA742 : I...........agree............with............SATX... ?? -NWA742
44 AndesSMF : Why can't you simply say that you have no proof or evidence?
45 GuitrThree : I can't see something that's not there.....again, ONE, just ONE little piece of proof? How many millions voted in 2000, 2002, 2004, and you can't com
46 Jamincan : This is ridiculous. An election isn't some sort of game that you finish with a happy resolution - the loser being a good sport and buying the winner a
47 GuitrThree : You're arguing with Democrats here... What's new here? Wildly unproven, unsubstantiated theories being thrown around like they are fact... This is go
48 Scorpio : I think you'll find that what he thought (rightly so, BTW) was ridiculous was the claim by some here that the reason there were no calls for recounts
49 Jamincan : I'm not. I find it ridiculous that a bunch of people seem to be delusional enough to believe that the GOP conceding those elections is due to good sp
50 Post contains images Turbo7x7 : Yeah, yeah. Mention some rich liberals. Oohh, I'm scared. What about Rubert Murdoch? I think his News Corporation is far more powerful, rich, and inf
51 ShyFlyer : You might want to provide some sort of supporting evidence for you claims. Just a thought. Yup. Now it is the Dems turn to screw up.
52 GuitrThree : yea, you're right, if you forget the fortunes of: ABC NBC CBS CNN MSNBC NY Times Washington Post Time Newsweek And about 90% of all the other media o
53 AndesSMF : Then you state half a fact, the GOP has raised much more money from individuals than the number of rich leftists giving money to the DNC. Shall we co
54 GuitrThree : Facts... facts... facts... Turbo doesn't need facts.. facts mean nothing when Turbo says:
55 Post contains links RJdxer : Well, they are on their way... http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/4332381.html Murtha equals Delay. Can you say CutnRun? Correct. Sh
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