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Will You Say "Merry Christmas"?  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Wal-Mart will be saying "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays" to its customers, according to a recent CNN report.

Please see:

http://money.cnn.com/2006/11/09/news...panies/walmart_christmas/index.htm

In this internationalized world, and with all the jetsetters that we see on this Website, I wonder whether many people are prone to say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" in Christendom anymore.

Thanks for your considered answers.

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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4674 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

I'll probably say both - I'll keep in consideration who I'm telling it to.


"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 1):
I'll probably say both - I'll keep in consideration who I'm telling it to.

Good advice.

I've tended toward saying "Happy Holidays" when I know that the person I'm speaking to may not be Christian.


User currently offlineVaporlock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
"Merry Christmas"

Trust me I will be saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS"!! Even though we live in a "internationalized world"....here in Canada it is definately "MERRY CHRISTMAS" for us Canucks!!!

Hey, I don't care who comes to Canada to live...and it doesn't matter where they come from I'm sure as hell not changing my "CUSTOMS". If they don't like it....they can go home....

Just my  twocents 

Phyllis  bouncy 


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Quoting Vaporlock (Reply 3):
Trust me I will be saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS"!! Even though we live in a "internationalized world"....here in Canada it is definately "MERRY CHRISTMAS" for us Canucks!!!

I guess I am just a bit more accommodating -- or, perhaps, less sure. If I see someone in a sari (a traditional Indian dress) at an Indian restaurant, I'm not likely to say "Merry Christmas". (Note: This doesn't mean that they have to be Christian, but it seems to me that if they are traditionalist, there is some indication that they may not be Christian.) This is with due regard to the possibility that they may be from India, for example, which is not a Christian country.

However, if I see someone who appears to be Indian, but who is wearing Western clothes, I would have no sure way of telling whether he or she is a Christian, so I would probably go with "Merry Christmas" by default.

I would also probably add, "Happy New Year", since that's fairly standard.

I have no problem with Wal-Mart changing back to "Merry Christmas", and in fact I would say that, as a corporate policy, it's a good one.

[Edited 2006-11-10 00:32:44]

User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

Quoting Vaporlock (Reply 3):
Trust me I will be saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS"!! Even though we live in a "internationalized world"....here in Canada it is definately "MERRY CHRISTMAS" for us Canucks!!!

Same here.

If another person greets me with their holiday/religeous greeting, whatever that may be, i will smile and accept that greeting and be grateful that somebody wished/blessed (whatever) me something and not be bitter about it. Ridiculous.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21092 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

I could spend time debating whether I should say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays", and whether I would offend people with one or the other, but then again, I have more important things to do than worry about minutia.

I think I'll just be happy with whatever comes out of my mouth. If somebody is seriously offended, I'll be happy to correct myself.

Oh, and to the people who get upset over people saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas", or vice versa, you really need to get over it. If that's the biggest worry in your life, you are damn lucky.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5574 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
I guess I am just a bit more accommodating -- or, perhaps, less sure. If I see someone in a sari (a traditional Indian dress) at an Indian restaurant, I'm not likely to say "Merry Christmas". (Note: This doesn't mean that they have to be Christian, but it seems to me that if they are traditionalist, there is some indication that they may not be Christian.) This is with due regard to the possibility that they may be from India, for example, which is not a Christian country.

Why do people have to spoil Christmas by bringing religion into it?


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

I'm not Christian and I will say Merry Christmas to people, and will say it back if someone says it to me. There's more important things in this world to get pissed off about than people saying "Merry Christmas."


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineTLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

I am a Christian so obviously I am not offended by "Merry Christmas." In fact, the last couple years I made it a point to say "Merry Christmas" to store employees and other I met and I believe every single time it was said back to me. I don't think as many people are offended by it as we are made to believe. I mean, it IS Christmas, whether a person likes it or not! If someone doesn't want to experience Christmas, they can try doing like the characters in John Grisham's "Skipping Christmas." I'm glad to see Wal-Mart and Macy's making the decision to use "Merry Christmas!"

-TLG


User currently offlineVaporlock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
This is with due regard to the possibility that they may be from India, for example, which is not a Christian country. I guess I am just a bit more accommodating

Well, it really doesn't matter to me if they are Christian or not....it is Christmas....and I really don't feel that it should offend anyone if I say 'MERRY CHRISTMAS'...it is a festive time of year in North America....and if they don't like it..well, I guess it's their problem. Good God I hope life isn't getting that complicated that I have to think about things I say to people who dress differently or come from another country....that will be a very sad day.

As mentioned by Mir...I really don't have the time/nor do I care if I offend anyone. I think it's great that "Toronto" is one of the largest multi-cultural cities in the world....but this is Canada and here we celebrate Christmas.....like BrayBuddy said....leave religion out of it!!!  yes 

Quoting YooYoo (Reply 5):
If another person greets me with their holiday/religeous greeting, whatever that may be, i will smile and accept that greeting and be grateful that somebody wished/blessed (whatever) me something and not be bitter about it.

I'm with you.....YooYoo...that's the problem with society today, there are too many people that get "bitter" over stupid things.

Phyllis  bouncy 


User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

I'll say it. I have religion, but Christmas has never been about celebrating Christ, to me. It's been about getting stuff. I'm at the point thought, that, when I want something, I go out and buy it. If I asked someone else for the things I wanted, I'd never get them, anyway.

BAB



I'm just skipping stones...
User currently offlineWhyWhyZed From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 914 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Quoting Vaporlock (Reply 3):



Quoting YooYoo (Reply 5):



Quoting Vaporlock (Reply 10):

I absolutely agree with both of you. I guess thats why i've respected both of you for quite awhile!  Smile

- Jason DePodesta


User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

I will say "Bah F*ckin' Humbug"... like every Christmas...  Wink

Forget the PC nonsense... forget 'Happy Holidays'... I have always been a fan of "Shove It!"...

 Wink



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 11):
I'll say it. I have religion, but Christmas has never been about celebrating Christ, to me. It's been about getting stuff. I'm at the point thought, that, when I want something, I go out and buy it. If I asked someone else for the things I wanted, I'd never get them, anyway.

It all depends on what you want to celebrate a Christmas time. Whether you want to make it a religious holiday or not its OK. To me, is a chance to make a special day for whatever, getting a special present, going to see some typical plays, spending time with your family, etc.

And now BABs, arent you old enough now to get your own stuff? Cause if I want something big, I'll get it whenever, or wait for the Xmas bonus to do so.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

I'm a little lost, but I gather saying Merry Christmas in the US is not all that common? Here in the UK, its entirely normal, along with Happy Christmas, so I guess I shall be saying it a fair bit in the coming months Big grin

Dan Smile



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

It's Merry Christmas for me, I don't care for that PC Happy Holidays crap, if someone wants to say Happy Kwanza to me that's fine, if that's what they celebrate.

User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 14):
And now BABs, arent you old enough now to get your own stuff? Cause if I want something big, I'll get it whenever, or wait for the Xmas bonus to do so.

Absolutely. That's exactly what I do. I have neither the patience, nor the time, to sit around waiting for a new toy.

As you mentioned, holidays, for me, are all about seeing the family. This Christmas is going to be the last time I see my family for a long, long time, so I'm going to make the most of it. Fortunately, my birthday is Dec. 26, so I'll be loading up on things I need for my move, mainly money!

BAB Big grin



I'm just skipping stones...
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 17):
This Christmas is going to be the last time I see my family for a long, long time, so I'm going to make the most of it.

Good, I hope your move does well for you.

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 17):
As you mentioned, holidays, for me, are all about seeing the family.

That is true for most of the world now. The added fun of the holidays for me is that the children really enjoy them, and you can always watch them squirm as they beg and wait for their presents.

Me, I have the pleasure to say that Jr.'s presents will be arriving at my office soon, and I get to enjoy them when he opens them; The new Lego holiday train and the BNSF locomotive.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 15):
I'm a little lost, but I gather saying Merry Christmas in the US is not all that common?

Its entirely normal. Yes, there were/are some overly PC groups that have urged the use of a generic 'Happy Holidays', etc., but I'd guesstimate that 99.9% of those that celebrate Christmas, say "Merry Christmas". Most of the 'Assault on Christmas' last year was over blown hype by the likes of O'Reily and similar.

And for the record, I'm an agnostic, and I still say Merry Christmas. I have no intention of changing nor am I particularly concerned if the recipient is non-Christian. Any reasonable person understands what is meant by the term and won't take offense. The name of the holiday is Christmas, and while it may have originated when the Christians co-opted earlier mid-winter festivals and pageants, it long ago quit being solely a religious holiday.



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User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting Vaporlock (Reply 10):
Good God I hope life isn't getting that complicated that I have to think about things I say to people who dress differently or come from another country....that will be a very sad day.

!?!?!? Why is it a "sad day" when people (God forbid) show consideration for others who are different from them? I'd say it's a happy day for common courtesy and equality.

-------------------

Anyway, I'm Jewish, but I say "Merry Christmas" when speaking to anyone whom I know or believe to be Christian. If they are Jewish I say "Happy Hanukah," etc. If I don't have any idea, I say "happy holidays"--and I can't possibly see how that could offend anyone.

Also, if the intention is friendly, I happily accept being wished a "Merry Christmas" or Eid, or Diwali, or any other holiday. I'm glad people are being friendly and I want to share in their goodwill. Life is too short to be offended.

I will say that if some idiot like Bill O'Reilly deliberately wishes merry Christmas to someone who is not Christian precisely because he believes he has the right to dictate what is the "most important" holiday, then I don't blame them for being offended. But then it isn't being friendly, it is forcing a political point about how you have the right to dominate a country's culture...



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

I probably won't think and just say "Merry Christmas" to everyone.


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User currently offlineJpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Quoting Vaporlock (Reply 3):
Trust me I will be saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS"!! Even though we live in a "internationalized world"....here in Canada it is definately "MERRY CHRISTMAS" for us Canucks!!!

Absolutely will be doing the same thing.


User currently offlineVaporlock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Quoting N229NW (Reply 20):
Why is it a "sad day" when people (God forbid) show consideration for others who are different from them? I'd say it's a happy day for common courtesy and equality.

It is a "sad day" because I refuse to "walk on broken glass" so to speak, when I wish someone a "Merry Christmas" it is because I wish them good cheer and not because I have had to stop, think, look at what they are wearing or if they look different than I do. If I had to do that to everyone I see or meet then I might as well just forget about saying anything. Why does it have to become so complicated....and don't even get into it about equality..it is about wishing people from all different backgrounds good cheer!

Phyllis  bouncy 


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

I will say "Merry Christmas" because that is what I am celebrating. If I know the other person is of another religion then I use the relevant holiday.


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25 Confuscius : Feliz Navidad
26 NIKV69 : "Merry Christmas" for me.
27 F9Animal : I love Christmas. I enjoy having a tree, and tons of presents under it. I live in a free country, and I should be able to exercise my freedom of belie
28 ShakeZulaNJ : I don't celebrate Christmas, but out of courtesy to others, I do wish them a merry Christmas, unless I know they are Jewish or some other religion. Ot
29 Aa757first : I don't shop at Wal-Mart, but I do like it when they do things like this. When I say "merry Christmas", don't worry, it's not a code for "go to hell".
30 DeltaGator : I always say Merry Christmas unless I know the person is Jewish and then I say Happy Hannukuh (sic?) Heck, even if they are Jewish I usually slip in
31 Post contains images Photopilot :
32 Yegmaster : By the sounds of it "Merry Christmas" is the winner. And so it should be. Cheers
33 TedTAce : If I see a cross necklace, Merry Christmas; if not; Merry Jew Year!! Seriously, I'm not big on wishing people happy whatever.. if they wish it to me,
34 767Lover : I just returned from Manchester (UK). They had already started putting Christmas stuff up in town and in the stores, and I was kind of taken aback tha
35 Gunsontheroof : Quite honestly, I think this is one of the stupidest ongoing public debates in the U.S. I could care less how somebody expresses their desire for me t
36 TRVYYZ : Even in India with only 2.4% Christians, I have not seen any problems wishing "Merry Christmas". I don't understand what's so wrong with it with some
37 DeltaGator : I'm on my way their Saturday night so I suppose that gives me free range to whistle and hum Christmas songs while there and not get yelled at by the
38 L-188 : Agreed, although I will be sticking with "Happy Festuvus!!!" We will now air our greviences by the Fustuvus Pole!
39 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Yes But, i'll be spending it alone Lee
40 Halcyon : Merry Christmas. I don't become insulted when other tell me Happy High Holidays or Happy whatever when it's whatever time of year in whatever religion
41 Jayce : Vaporlock, I agree with everything you've said. I'll be saying Merry Christmas. This is Canada and we celebrate Christmas. If you move to a country an
42 Toulouse : Very well put. I mean let's face it, what's is the real difference between saying "Merry Christmas" or "Happy holidays" when the holiday being celebr
43 Post contains images Vc10 : Surely saying "happy holidays" is not acceptable as the word Holiday is derived from Holy Day , so no, no, no, that would never do. littlevc10
44 Post contains images TransIsland : I really couldn't care less. I'm an atheist and I'm not offended if I hear "Merry Christmas." To me Christmas and other symbols of Christianity repres
45 Post contains images Skidmarks : Me too, but if I'm forced into being nice or jolly (heaven forbid) I'll say Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays is pure PC twaddle. I also will not use t
46 Melpax : None of this 'Happy Holidays' stuff here in Oz - it's always been Merry Christmas, and guess what, no one's offended. Christmas is the start of the su
47 JGPH1A : Clearly. Christmas is Christmas, so unless I am talking to someone who is Jewish or Muslim, I will say Merry Christmas. I will say Happy Chanukah if t
48 AerospaceFan : Merry Christmas to you, as well! Comments such as the above, and indeed all of the comments in this thread, are refreshing and delightful to read. Th
49 IFEMaster : Merry Crimbo. Just to be different.
50 Kiwiandrew : either will do for me - I dont take offense at people wishing me a merry xmas even though I do not have religion ... at the end of it all whichever gr
51 Post contains images PHLBOS :
52 NIKV69 : Awesome one Ted, this made me crack up.
53 Zbbylw : Merry Christmas to all! For me its Merry Christmas, it always was and it always will be. In Canada the majority of our country celebrates Christmas ra
54 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : I think that people who get offended at "Merry Christmas" tend to forget that the connection between Christmas and religion ( or at least with Christi
55 TACAA320 : And to you too [ as well as all fellows a.netters.].
56 Jamesbuk : Yes, absoloutely. On diwali (Sp.?) they say happy diwali not Happy holidays (just as example not any other reason) so why should it be different for a
57 FlyMeARiver : Christmas is a federal holiday in the USA, so it should and for me most definitely will be none other than "Merry Christmas"
58 Aerofan : merry or happy christmas is what i grew up saying. and i have absolutely no intention of changing
59 LHMARK : I'll use either expression interchangeably. Because it doesn't freakin' matter, and I don't care. Franky, I don't understand why everybody else does.
60 Tootallsd : Yeah its a shame that early Christians co-opted a perfectly good pagan holiday / festival period when they decided the date of their celebrations. Sh
61 BHXFAOTIPYYC : It's a big "Feliz Natal" around here. ("Happy" though, rather than "merry" as the word doesn't really translate to Portuguese). If I wished people "ha
62 AirPacific747 : I dont care if it offends certain people. As long as I am in my home country, I will say 'Merry Christmas' to anyone. If I was in the Middle East, I w
63 BHXFAOTIPYYC : Well you should, because I assure you that most of the Muslims in the Middle East, places like Dubai, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya etc WILL be wishing you "
64 JGPH1A : Very true - well said. There's nothing offensive in wishing someone happy over their holiday, or over yours. It's a GOOD thing. Even if you're not Ch
65 AirPacific747 : Ditto!
66 AerospaceFan : I just wish more people had the Christmas spirit during other times of the year.
67 Post contains links AerospaceFan : By the way, there is a report that Best Buy, a major U.S. retailer of consumer electronics, DVD's, CD's, and home appliances, is staying with "Happy H
68 Bohica : Merry Christmas!!! And for those who don't like it, Merry Christmas!!!
69 777ER : Merry Christmas is the main saying in New Zealand, and my home will light up with christmas lights for the seventh year in a row this year.
70 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Good for both of you!
71 ZKSUJ : As 777ER said, still 'Christmas' is the norm here in NZ. It seems like many people outside the USA don't really care (just an observation for the flag
72 Post contains images Scbriml : It will be Christmas, and there's a very good chance that I'll be merry. So... I don't know what Indian restaurants are like there, but in the UK most
73 Post contains images Wukka : I will say, "Merry Too Many Threads!" I will then follow it with completely random statements and/or questions to the person and/or people that I addr
74 Ag92 : I dont celebrate christmas so, for me it is Happy New year or Happy Holidays Cheers
75 TransIsland : Because they assume that YOU will be celebrating Christmas. Now if you knew that the person opposite you is NOT going to celebrate Christmas, but, le
76 AerospaceFan : To be honest, I've never patronized an Indian restaurant during Christmas. My hypothetical was purely that -- hypothetical. However, I wouldn't be su
77 Post contains images Scbriml : Further to my comment about working in Dubai, all the Muslims at work are really looking forward to having Christmas day off work! Sorry, it just amus
78 Kmh1956 : Not if you visit a.net!!! I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one.
79 ACDC8 : I'll keep saying Merry Christmas. Christmas is a Christian Holiday, even though I'm not religious, I was brought up in a Christian family. If people g
80 Boston92 : Oh, they have finally learned enough english to say "Merry Christmas". I can not take credit for that though; it was all Jay Leno last night.
81 BHXFAOTIPYYC : Yes, actually I would wish them Merry Christmas, because by doing so I do not feel that I am forcing Christmas upon them, or making any particular re
82 Redngold : To answer the original question: Yes. I will always wish the blessings of my holiday on others.
83 Post contains images Nkops : Me either, and if people get insulted when I say Merry Christmas, so be it... there's more to worry about in this world than that!!! And thanking my
84 Post contains images Dragon-wings : In New York City they will be putting up the Lincoln Center Christmas tree soon. On TV they are calling it the "holiday tree". (The Rockefeller Christ
85 Nkops : I'm curious, do they put ornaments on it that represent the different celebrations this time of year (Hannukah, Kwanzaa, etc) ??
86 Dragon-wings : I have seen the Rockefeller Christmas tree a few times in person, but never noticed the ornaments on the tree.
87 AerospaceFan : I would guess that most of the ornaments are probably traditional Christmas tree ornaments. I don't believe I've personally seen true "holiday trees"
88 N1120A : I say what is appropriate for the person. If they are Jewish, I say Happy Hanaukah, Christians get "Merry Christmas", as do Moslems as Jesus is a prop
89 Post contains images AerospaceFan : I am in favor of celebrating everyone's respective new year's days -- Gregorian, Mayan, Jewish, Asian, or what have you.
90 Prebennorholm : Glad to notice that it seems like Americans again dare to wish each other a Merry Christmas. I don't think that this stupid PC thing "seasons greeting
91 Post contains links AerospaceFan : Since the 25th of December and January 1 are one week apart, some companies allow their employees to take that entire week off as Christmas vacation.
92 Post contains images Allstarflyer : To each their own. It's about Christ, to me, though. It would be good if it were for more. Yeah, I've thought about that, too. One guy I know who is
93 Swatpamike : Hello all I say Merry Christmas Dammit!!! Cheers swatpamike
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