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US Marine Arrested In NYC For Wearing Uniform  
User currently offlineTHVGJP From Ukraine, joined Mar 2002, 158 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4862 times:

A little late with this but oh well, I read in Mondays New York Post that last weekend a Us Marine was walking along in the Bronx in his BDU's. One of New Yorks Finast stops him and tells him lets see id. The soldier shows him his ID card and tells the cop he is home on furlow following basic training, and was just at his old high school doing recruiting. The cop says this is a illegal ID card and he is impersonating a soldier and its against the law. So the cop arrests the soldier and hauls him into the station, long and short of it is the soldiers recruiter vouched for him after a few hours of the cop being a asswipe. Turns out this cop was on the job for 6 years and has already had 3 sitdowns with IAD (Internal Affairs) before this instance. I cant believe crap like this happens, count your lucky stars this cop dont have a airport beat, bugging photographers and spotters. This pig should be pounding a beat in the most crummy place New York has to offer, he is a disgrace to the badge. Sick thing is when they let the soldier go the cop says to him" sorry no hard fellings huh??". What crap

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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4846 times:

I agree with you if it's true...

I did some searching for an article and came up empty-handed (Even on the NY Post website). Would you happen to have a link?



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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4829 times:

Quoting THVGJP (Thread starter):
This pig

No one calls you a quack herder, so I'll thank you to refrain from cop bashing. Don't like the police? Fine. But try to be civil about it, please.


User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4347 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

oh good, so if I wear my dress blues uniform in NYC, i'll be arrested for impersonating a uniformed member? What load of crap....damn copper.


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 3):
But try to be civil about it, please.

Fuzz then? Or how about Rozzer or Old Bill...  Wink



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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 5):
Fuzz then?

Sure. I use that all the time.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 5):
Or how about Rozzer or Old Bill...

Those sound like names for your Netherlands.


User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Quoting THVGJP (Thread starter):
count your lucky stars this cop dont have a airport beat,

After this show of incompetence he will probably be offered a job by the TSA and start work on Monday. In a management position no doubt.

Question: Under what circumstances did he ask for the soilder's ID? For just walking down the street? Seems kinda suspicious, you cant stop just any old joe shmo walking along and ask for ID as far as I know?


User currently offlineTHVGJP From Ukraine, joined Mar 2002, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 3):
No one calls you a quack herder, so I'll thank you to refrain from cop bashing. Don't like the police? Fine. But try to be civil about it, please.

Well as a retired narcotic diversion investigator I think I have a good idea what makes a good police officer worthy or the respect of his community and someone who isnt fit to guard a mens room. This guy obviously fits the second option. The abuse this soldier took is far worse than any of us have ever endured or hope to while out spotting. As for the link check out www.nypost.com/seven/11062006/news.
Sorry I cant type or set up a link for you guys, but look here it should be there I just looked at it


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Anyone find a verifiable source for this yet?

User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Quoting THVGJP (Reply 8):

Perhaps its all in the interpretation. It came off to me like the standard A.netter-just-got-a-ticket police-bashing. My apologies and yes, the above-mentioned doofus's next assignment should be with a shovel at Mounted Patrol.


User currently offlineTHVGJP From Ukraine, joined Mar 2002, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

Try this, I hope my crummy dialup dont go dead before Im done typing this.
WWW.nypost.com/seven/11062006/news/r...al_regionalnews_philip_messing.htm


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

Quoting THVGJP (Reply 8):
As for the link check out www.nypost.com/seven/11062006/news.

By clicking on that link, I get this:

Page Not Found
The page you are looking for cannot be found or does not exist on NYPOST.COM.

If you are looking for an article that is more than 30 days old,
please search our archives.

Otherwise, please visit Last 30 Days
for free access to the past four weeks of NYPOST.COM stories.


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 10):
My apologies and yes, the above-mentioned doofus's next assignment should be with a shovel at Mounted Patrol.

Were you able to access either of the links provided? I get "Page Not Found" for both.


User currently offlineTHVGJP From Ukraine, joined Mar 2002, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

Yeah, I see that also. I went to the Post's webpage and typed in bronx Arrest in the search box under recent at the top. The story is like the 2nd or 3rd one down on the list titled Bx soldiers ordeal by Phil Messing. Sorry for the bad links.

User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4734 times:

Found it here

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11062006...al_regionalnews_philip_messing.htm


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4680 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 5):
Fuzz then?

FIVE-0 . . . you know, like da boyz in da hood say . . .


Martin's father, Andrew Martin Sr., said, "He should be apologizing to my son."

Publically, thank you.

This cop gives the rest of us a bad rap . . .

Wonder what will happen?


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4592 times:

Quoting THVGJP (Reply 8):
set up a link

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11062006...al_regionalnews_philip_messing.htm
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
This cop gives the rest of us a bad rap . . .

How many policemen does the NYPD have ? I mean, if you have a force with thousands of people, such people may be around anywhere, and pop up from time to time. Those in charge there will have to consider to sack him from the force, or hand him over to the psycho-doctor for a check-up. I hope, the cop is a black, because if he is a white the danger of a full controversy in the well known shape is large.
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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
How many policemen does the NYPD have ?

To the best of my recollection, around 40,000+. I just got done watching Serpico, I sure hope things have changed since then.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4566 times:
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Pathetic. The officer should be taken off his beat and be forced to work in the jail or as a truancy officer for a few months. He definately does not reflect New York's finest, who I have the utmost respect for.


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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4524 times:

Hardly surprising from the area where military hater Hillary Clinton is governor.
Harrassment of military staff is likely state policy by now, or if not it will certainly be a good way to get noticed favourably by the political leadership.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 19):
Pathetic. The officer should be taken off his beat and be forced to work in the jail or as a truancy officer for a few months. He definately does not reflect New York's finest, who I have the utmost respect for.

That you have respect for the NYPD is alright. But let's nevertheless keep matters in scale. It is completely un-necessary to punish that cop as if he had beaten up the "victim" or something thelike. It is obvious that he is not suited for the job and most presumably needs to be sacked. Just dispatching him to an ugly charge will NOT make him any better. The problem of the man, apparently at least (all based on the article ! ), is that he if having authority over others is likely to abuse this authority. If he is to work as whatever in a private company, he may not be the easiest person around but at least not in a position of "official authority".
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I met something similar some 2 or 3 years ago when a member of the Canton-of-Zurich-policeforce I know was fuming of rage about some 2 or 3 "members" of his force, and I asked him THIS same question "sorry, but how many persons are you in that force" and then told him that I as a member of the public would love to see the matter handled correctly and thoroughly and everything cleared up, but did NOT see any basis to unleash my anger about the latest parking-fees I got !
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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 20):
Hardly surprising from the area where military hater Hillary Clinton is governor.

Hillary Clinton is NOT governor of New York, and does NOT govern either the City nor the State of New York, she happens to be one of the 2 senators NY state has in congress


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

I didn't know there was even any restriction on wearing military uniforms in public places. What about the military-style camo clothing you can buy? Might some cops think those are real military uniforms and create trouble for people wearing them?


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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10048 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4456 times:
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Quoting Jwenting (Reply 20):
Hillary Clinton is governor.

Well, that nicely cancels out any shred of veracity for the rest of your post.



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Before we call for the officer's head on a platter, does anyone else find it a bit odd that this story was only reported on by the NY Post? The incident occurred over a month ago yet, other than the story in the Post, a paper known for sensationalism and inaccuracies, I can't find any mention of it elsewhere. Remember, this is the same rag that ran an entire editorial congratulating the Boston Red Sox for defeating the Yankees to win the 2003 American League pennant. One little problem with that story - the Yankees actually won. I'd like to see at least one other report before coming to any conclusions.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 17):
How many policemen does the NYPD have ?

To date, 37,038.


25 Scorpio : What an incredibly stinking pile of excrement that whole post is. Leave it to jwenting to blame the disgraceful behavior of a single cop on the democ
26 ME AVN FAN : NO. It often happens that a story of a more "local" nature only is picked up by a local "boulevard-paper".
27 THVGJP : Can any of our active duty military or police officers verify this law. If its on the books must be Federal. I have heard it is "against the law" to
28 SlamClick : Anyone here think they could'nt spot a jarhead just out of boot? In or out of uniform? They do stand out, folks. I'll bet he even stood at approximat
29 N1120A : No they can't. First, Hillary Clinton is rather hawkish by Democrat standards. Second, George Pataki is the Governor of New York and Eliot Spitzer is
30 ME AVN FAN : ** Looks as if you do NOT read posts. The following was already in post 17 ! - and to repeat it, I fear the cop is white, which WILL inevitably resul
31 Fumanchewd : Right. You are the only one smart enough. hint:there is an ongoing investigation.
32 AAFLT1871 : You have no clue do you? Seeing he is not a Marine, but in fact an Army private, thats left up to debate
33 Post contains images MDorBust : The opening post called him a Marine. Slam's only falling short in not reading every link in the thread. Given the amount of dead links appearing, th
34 N1120A : No, I didn't say that, I was just surprised, though it appears I missed something in ME AVN FAN's post. Anyway, I am thinking that this moron officer
35 Post contains links Piercey : As pointed out, Clinton is a senator and has very little to do with state politics. bs. This isn't Vietnam. Except for a few twisted psychos, the cou
36 BristolFlyer : Sounds like he was: If the soldier had wrong ID and impersonating a soldier is against the law, what is the policemam supposed to do?
37 Fumanchewd : You are jumping to concusions. We don't know what color the officer is. We don't know if he is racist or just a prick in general. We don't know why h
38 ME AVN FAN : Exactly THIS is my suspicion also. As I rightly or wrongly assume that the cop is a white. - A) yes, upon the sight of the picture of the soldier I i
39 Fumanchewd : If it is known that he is not black and the other incidents smack of racism, then yes, I am right there with you. For that matter, although highly un
40 Itsjustme : Well, this thread has gone right into the toilet thanks to the likes of N1120A. Based on one article in a local rag known for sensationalism and shodd
41 Fumanchewd : How clever of you to come in with your nose pointed so far up. Read my post. So please contribute something to the conversation or stick your condesc
42 Itsjustme : Now let's have a look at your entire post: Why is it when you quoted yourself, you conveniently neglected to quote your entire post? Specifically, th
43 ME AVN FAN : We all, as I mentioned in one of my posts, in all this base our thoughts and assumptions on the article at hand. If you have proof that things were d
44 Scorpio : Even if we don't we still have that right. He should know better than to make such ridiculous sweeping assumptions, ESPECIALLY when he doesn't even k
45 Itsjustme : I am not defending the cop. I'm also not making any assumptions about him or what occurred based on one article in one paper which, whether you want
46 Vikkyvik : I'll be the first to admit that I don't know a single official in the Netherlands' government. That's why I don't go making erroneous assertions abou
47 ME AVN FAN : I do neither admit nor deny anything about the New York Post. What I know is that it is a "Boulevard Journal" of limited "documentary value". But I w
48 Dw9115 : It is a federal law and a law in all 50 states believe it or not. If you impersonate a member of the armed forces, movies get around it by placing on
49 Scamp : Well, that should have been your first clue, right wing fascist crap The Post.
50 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : **sigh** Geee Scat, thanks for adding to the discussion. Perhaps you could expand upon your point? Are you saying the Post has the story all wrong? A
51 MDorBust : If you say so, but I've never seen it.
52 Csavel : You better believe it, for 40,000 cops, only the smallest minority are the " Cops with an attitude" that are ready to bash non-white heads in, as a m
53 LOT767-300ER : Wearing a uniform of a Federal/State/City/Local agency is not impersonating unless you are comitting some action that others are believed that you ar
54 THVGJP : First off the jackets are only worn when serving a warrant, not everyday use. Who in their right mind would want to impersonate a DEA agent if he was
55 Post contains images Itsjustme : Given the circumstances as they were reported, the Pvt. would have gotten a wave from me and that would have been it (I may have even offered him a r
56 Dw9115 : Look in USC 10 Negative most local and state governments consider wearing a uniform of the armed forces or a type of police agency in it self a crime
57 THVGJP : I am not a lawyer, but have seen cases dismissed or not even advance past the prelim hearing stage due to lack of culpability or probable cause. Just
58 MDorBust : I'll have to do a bit of digging in USC 10, it's not short. But off the top of my head, if it does exist there.. it would be a Federal offense. Meani
59 ANCFlyer : That's actually quite a load of BS. Movie companies HIRE military persons (active and/or retired) in order to get it right . . . Really . . . I spent
60 Dw9115 : Yes but they usually leave one thing out of place on a uniform so as not get involved with violations of the law. They hire former military to get th
61 MDorBust : Then you wouldn't mind sourcing the law for us would you?
62 Sprout5199 : So you're saying I cannot dig out my Cracker Jacks and Medals, put them on and walk the streets? BS If that is true, then the Navy would have kept th
63 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Law school does not a lawyer make . . . . Show me. I didn't call you a liar there Sport, I said you were wrong. There is a difference. Didn't they te
64 Itsjustme : If this is true, which, it isn't, then the same would have to apply when we see actors portraying police officers, would it not? The only time I have
65 THVGJP : I googled 10USC and found out, yes there is a law against non military types wearing the uniform. check out 10 USC, subtitle A,part 2 Chapter 45 subse
66 Post contains links Dw9115 : Vets are OKed to wear them. Yes but passing the bar did and sense my last job I had before going back flying for a living demanded a MBA and Law degr
67 ANCFlyer : So, in all that you posted in Reply 66, ONLY the following applies to "actors" and it says NOTHING like you indicate below. In fact, it says the oppo
68 ME AVN FAN : THIS and all the other articles provided in short show that a soldier is allowed to wear his uniform also when on leave. The problem according to the
69 Itsjustme : Well, again you're jumping to conclusions. I think the fact that the officer only has 6 years on the job and he's already been promoted says more tha
70 ME AVN FAN : what does it REALLY say ? it says that the man is on his job with a fury and is a "firehead". It does NOT say anything else. And you still accuse the
71 Itsjustme : Nitpicking, perhaps. Although from his sentence structure and his use of past tense, the sentence, "was hauled to a police station, handcuffed and in
72 ME AVN FAN : Simply look at the picture ! The journalist of course felt with the nice poor young man. - THIS is how "eager" policemen ARE perceived by the public.
73 Itsjustme : True. But in reality, eager, over zealous policemen are typically those with less than 2 years on the job. Hell, I wish I had a dollar for every time
74 MDorBust : So is that a felony violation or a misdemeanor? And, under what authority is the NYPD enforcing it?
75 THVGJP : Does it really matter?? I once testified in a case against a woman who had something like 100 counts of prescription fraud against her, half the char
76 MDorBust : Yeah it kind of does. Both questions that is. Question 1: Is it a felony or midemeanor? The law as cited doesn't seem to classify it as both, meaning
77 Dw9115 : Lots of police and sheriff agencies shear to uphold the laws of the state, federal government, and local laws etc. What about your laws regarding air
78 MDorBust : Local police only enforce federal law if they are directly tasked to work with, and under the supervision of federal authorities. Those federal autho
79 ME AVN FAN : But what the soldier did was neither a felony nor a violation nor a misdemeanor as explained under Sec. 771. -- it was completely legal. The policema
80 Dw9115 : No, Infact I think what the police officer did was wrong.
81 MDorBust : I know what the soldier did was legal. I'm trying to determine what charge, if any, could have been brought if the soldier had ... not been a soldier
82 THVGJP : Police should let the facts before them back up and validate the suspicion before detaining and bringing in an individual. If the police went around
83 ME AVN FAN : I in the late 60ies early 70ies in ZRH on some days was controlled by police up to 4 times per day, I got seized simply for photography from OUTside
84 Redngold : I smell a lawsuit for false arrest.
85 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Nope, it's YOUR point, the burden of proof is on you . . . until then I raise the . . . Incorrect. Prove your point. What have you to lose, an acknow
86 Dw9115 : The ACLU help anyone in the military that is laughable. All the "blather" is also important for people to understand the law.
87 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Well, then continue to blather and show me the relevent passage. Until then it's all fluff. I'll gladly retract my when you do - if you're correct.
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