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Landscaper Won't Work For Gays, Starts Uproar  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

Shows that intolerance-on both sides of this issue-is alive and well in the world.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a...31409990006?ncid=NWS00010000000001

Yes, this landscaper has the right under Houston law, to do this. But in 2006 to be so narrow-minded, bigoted and, well, un-Christianlike, is truly sad.

And it's just as sad to see the vile threats he and his family have gotten over this incident.

A bit of advice to the Farbers: Christ told his Disciples that he who is without sin cast the first stone, and He didn't die on the cross so that you could belittle your fellow man.

And a bit of advice to those who threatened him and his family: get a life, and ask yourself if YOU would want to hear such language tossed at you and yours.

Truly sad.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

They can choose to do business with whomever they want. Just the same, the gay couple had every right to start this boycott.


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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3707 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2768 times:
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Last time I checked Houston is in America and you can render services for whomever you want. I worked for a contractor for a while a few years ago. We got a contract to rebuild a section of tha strip club that had burned down, but we had to get a different carpet guy to do the carpeting than we normally do. Why? He ran a christian business, and he had a moral issue with the strip club. Kudos to the garden guy for standing up for what he believes in. I guarantee his business will not suffer because of this. He is in the heart of christian conservative Texas. Most likely he will have to hire more illegals to pick up the additional workload that he will see in the future.


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User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Hmm, I don't think that he was very "nice" per se in what he did, but he was polite and obviously did not want an uproar. That at least counts for something.

On the other side, the couple did not just go straight to reporters or threaten anyone, so that's good. The people in the 200 that the message was forwarded to obviously leaked it and then the uproar was caused, so I'd blame them the most I think.

Perhaps the man had many customers to choose from and decided to not choose to work for the ones he felt least comfortable around. Though his wording was crude, it was not in the least mean.

To me this thing is being blown out of the water. I think both parties were handling it well until it got to the media.

Lucas  Smile


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6674 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2747 times:
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Well if you want to refuse work that is completly your right. You would think that the landscaper could have said: "thanks but we will not be able to accomodate your request" and leave it at that.

Imagine if the landscaper would have said "Mexicans" or "Blacks" instead!



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
Kudos to the garden guy for standing up for what he believes in.

No one who practices ignorance and bigotry should be congratulated. They should be condemned-not threatened- but condemned-for treating their fellow man with such contempt.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2744 times:
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I wonder how forgiving people would have been if this bigoted "christian" decided that he was not going to serve customers who were jewish or african-american ... but since it's "only" gays being discriminated against it's not really worth making a fuss ,is it?


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Having just read the story in the link above. This is one unfortunate story that got flying all over the place. Well, generally speaking, it happens -- not too often from a business perspective, but too often from the general public's perspective. I understand that the couple were seeking landscaping service and received one e-mail reply that they did not like. The reply was not necessary - maybe e-mail reply is not needed in the first place? My question is how did they know about the couple being gay. For once, we have to remember that gay is not a bad word overall. Personally speaking, I would not spread the e-mail reply to anyone but myself (and perhaps find another landscape business).


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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

The Farbers (landscapers in question) are idiots. They asked for this storm of controversy because they publicly turned down a job and said the reason was that the homeowners were gay.

Why didn't they simply turn the job down without that unnecessary jab?
No reason need be given.

Another thing. Why have all the religious literature on their website anyway? It seems to me that they were looking for a fight instead of looking for customers.

I may disagree with homosexuals, their agenda, or whatnot, but I will gladly treat them equally as my patients, hire them, be served at restaurants by them, or use their places of business. Hell, my DJ at my wedding was a flaming, and I specifically sought him out as he was the top DJ for weddings in the DFW area.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 3):
On the other side, the couple did not just go straight to reporters or threaten anyone, so that's good. The people in the 200 that the message was forwarded to obviously leaked it and then the uproar was caused, so I'd blame them the most I think.

Leaked? They passed it on so people would know that these landscapers were bigotted in their business practices. There is nothing wrong with that.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 3):
Perhaps the man had many customers to choose from and decided to not choose to work for the ones he felt least comfortable around. Though his wording was crude, it was not in the least mean.

Of course it was mean. It was nasty, bigotted and downright rude. I hope these guys go out of business. BTW, it was a her, not a him, who wrote it.



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 4):
Imagine if the landscaper would have said "Mexicans" or "Blacks" instead!

 yes  I wonder what would have happenend... but it is ok to discriminate against the GLBT communities.....The Bible says so.....  sarcastic 

GS  boggled 



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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Man, turning down jobs because of sexual orientation? That's pretty dumb. Gays spend big $$$$$$ on landscaping (my partner and I certainly just did).

Yeah, it's their right as a company to do business with whom they please. But actually telling them the real reason? Dumb.

And somehow I don't think the plants give a $hit who sleeps with who. Whatever.

But "we are Crusaders for Christ"????

Bleh.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 11):
Man, turning down jobs because of sexual orientation? That's pretty dumb. Gays spend big $$$$$$ on landscaping (my partner and I certainly just did).

It is dumb for ANY home improvement business to ignore gay people.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2672 times:
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Quoting Travelin man (Reply 11):
"we are Crusaders for Christ"????




makes you feel kind of sorry for jesus - with friends like these people who needs enemies



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3707 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
No one who practices ignorance and bigotry should be congratulated

He told the truth. Whats the big deal? He is practicing what he believes the Bible says. Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?

As a Christian myself, I say yes, this one is. The Bible New Testament doesn't teach that: it teaches "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

The form of Christianity he's practicing isn't what Christianity is about.


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6674 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2640 times:
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Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
says. Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?

I dont think anyone here is generalizing. These particular Christians are bigots and ignorant. I am sure that there are many that are not. and i am sure that there are many like Ted Haggard as well...



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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
He told the truth. Whats the big deal? He is practicing what he believes the Bible says. Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?

Put it this way: Do you think Jesus (a carpenter) would tell someone, "no, I won't build you a barn (or whatever) because you are gay"???

I'm finding it difficult to believe He would.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13744 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2619 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
No one who practices ignorance and bigotry should be congratulated. They should be condemned-not threatened- but condemned-for treating their fellow man with such contempt.

I agree that they should not be congratulated, nor should the be threatened. They were NOT smart to cite their beliefs when refusing work - it should have been a simple, "No thank you, we're not interested," and left at that.

But why bother to treat them with contempt, either? They DO have the right to determine who they'll work for, even if the reason is ridiculous to most people.

I find it distasteful that anyone feels the landscaper should be tarred and feathered over this. They may be "wrong," but ultimately it's their RIGHT to be "wrong."

As the landscaper said in the article, the crowd of "tolerance and diversity" is not always so tolerant when all is said and done.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?

That kind is.


User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
They passed it on so people would know that these landscapers were bigotted in their business practices. There is nothing wrong with that.

And now it's a big stink because it's spread all over the globe.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Of course it was mean. It was nasty, bigotted and downright rude. I hope these guys go out of business. BTW, it was a her, not a him, who wrote it.

While I do NOT agree with her approach, she dot say "How effiing dare you you $(#$* ^#$%^*& #^$%^#*&^$#% $&#&*(# I'm gonna burn you at the stake and then sacrifice some virgins." That would be mean. While you might consider what he did to SHOW HATE, it was NOT lashing out. Simply concise and rude.

Sorry for screwing up with the gender as you so kindly caught and sorry for not responding. I was tired (3 hours of sleep  Sad ) so I went to bed. Dang physics tests. Bah.

Lucas  Smile


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
Kudos to the garden guy for standing up for what he believes in.

Yeah, good call! Same deal for Hitler! What a bullshit excuse for a reprehensible action....oh he was just standing up for his 'beliefs'. While he has every right to choose his projects, I have every right to wish the piece of shit goes bankrupt.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
He is practicing what he believes the Bible says.

Haha, wheres the passage: "don't landscape for fags" ?

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 14):
Are you saying that Christians are bigots and ignorant?

No, just you- if you believe the filth you're spewing.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Reminds me of a local self-employed mechanic who was so angered by Pearl Harbor that he refused to work on Japanese cars well into the 1980's.

Mark


User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

What's the difference b/w this business owners and pharmacists refusing to sell the morning-after pills to women who ask for it?

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3707 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2517 times:
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Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 21):
No, just you- if you believe the filth you're spewing

You have no idea who I am or what I believe in. I was simply saying that as a business owner he has the right to refuse service to anyone that he wants to, for any reason that he wants to. Welcome to the land of free enterprise. I am sure that the couple found someone else to take care of their yard. It really isn't that big of a deal, but some bleeding heart lib decided to make a huge deal of it. Let it go.



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25 Post contains images Boeing744 : While I obviously disagree with the business' choice to deny their services based on the sexual orientation of the clients, I think what has happened
26 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Bingo. Because they're are quite a few people out there who believe that being gay fundamentally involves a choice. I agree. He wouldn't. But He woul
27 Greasespot : So you would be ok with them syaing sorry we will not work for black people? Homophobia is the last acceptable type of bigotry. Things that people ac
28 Aerofan : as a christian i'm appalled by this sort of behaviour and thinking. when will we christians stop and take the time to think and truly follow the examp
29 ShakeZulaNJ : This is proof that stupidity is timeless. As for these two Christian nuts, they're not good business people; last time I looked, the dollars in my wa
30 LTBEWR : The landscaping business is one of the largest employers of illegals as regular or day workers (Mexicans and others) in the USA. I would be willing to
31 Boeing744 : This is a perfect example of what christianity should strive to achieve. Kudos to you Aerofan.
32 TWFirst : Can you imagine if the situation were reversed? Hell, if the gay guys were the landscape owners and refused to work for the Farbers because they're ev
33 SATX : Folks, I've been living in Texas for decades and this kind of anti-gay shit is still common. I'm not gay myself, but I still get to hear lots of anti-
34 Post contains images TWFirst : I can see the signboards outside various TX businesses now: Bud Light 12pk $6.99 We don't serve fags Early Bird Special 7-9am $19.99 Queers aint welc
35 Pdpsol : Yikes! Remind me again, is TX still part of the US? Perhaps TX [along with any other part of Jesus-freakdom] should form its own "Kingdom of Christ".
36 Jetjack74 : Wonder what he woud think if this guy came to mow his lawn
37 TNNH : it definately seems like both sides were looking for publicity. the gay couple could have seen from the garden guy website that the farbers included l
38 Jamincan : For all we know they just found them in the yellow pages. Even so, just because they quote scripture on their website, it doesn't necessarily mean th
39 767Lover : First let me say that I think refusing to landscape someone's yard based on homosexuality is ridiculous. However, the death threats and such are absol
40 L-188 : You know with the publicity that is going on right now, I suspect the free market will determine if the policy goes on or not.
41 Post contains images AA777 : Where in the bible does it say not to landscape a gay couple's house? Or anything remotely similar to that??? These people are bigots and I'm glad th
42 Post contains images Halls120 : As Texdravid notes below, the idiot landscaper brought it on himself. All he had to do is not respond to the request for bids. His affirmative act to
43 SATX : As the original author of the comment noted, she actually brought more business upon herself. Calling her an idiot is being far too kind; this woman
44 Post contains images Diamond : well . . . at least the west coast. Right now, the east coast is inhabited with Texans that hold too much power.
45 Usnseallt82 : Them are fightin' words, boy.
46 Post contains images Diamond : Oh yeah? Did I tell you I like the ARMY too?
47 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Hahaha...pushin' the limits, huh?
48 Texdravid : I would hope you get over your persecutory complex about living in Texas. In any event, if you want any consolation, did you see how close Democrats
49 Halls120 : I agree completely. the SO and I were having this very discussion today during our return from Cape Henry. If the GOP doesn't shake the evangelical h
50 N1120A : Doesn't seem to help with Utah
51 SATX : Rick Perry (REP) 1,714,618 (39.01%) Chris Bell (DEM) 1,309,774 (29.80%) You call a nearly 10% spread “close?” I seriously don’t follow you. If
52 Texdravid : If Texas was as red as you thought, then wouldn't Perry get more than 50% of the vote, regardless of Kinky and "one tough grandma"? He basically won
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