AirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2885 times:
Last time I checked Houston is in America and you can render services for whomever you want. I worked for a contractor for a while a few years ago. We got a contract to rebuild a section of tha strip club that had burned down, but we had to get a different carpet guy to do the carpeting than we normally do. Why? He ran a christian business, and he had a moral issue with the strip club. Kudos to the garden guy for standing up for what he believes in. I guarantee his business will not suffer because of this. He is in the heart of christian conservative Texas. Most likely he will have to hire more illegals to pick up the additional workload that he will see in the future.
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Halcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2883 times:
Hmm, I don't think that he was very "nice" per se in what he did, but he was polite and obviously did not want an uproar. That at least counts for something.
On the other side, the couple did not just go straight to reporters or threaten anyone, so that's good. The people in the 200 that the message was forwarded to obviously leaked it and then the uproar was caused, so I'd blame them the most I think.
Perhaps the man had many customers to choose from and decided to not choose to work for the ones he felt least comfortable around. Though his wording was crude, it was not in the least mean.
To me this thing is being blown out of the water. I think both parties were handling it well until it got to the media.
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8684 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2861 times:
I wonder how forgiving people would have been if this bigoted "christian" decided that he was not going to serve customers who were jewish or african-american ... but since it's "only" gays being discriminated against it's not really worth making a fuss ,is it?
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September11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2861 times:
Having just read the story in the link above. This is one unfortunate story that got flying all over the place. Well, generally speaking, it happens -- not too often from a business perspective, but too often from the general public's perspective. I understand that the couple were seeking landscaping service and received one e-mail reply that they did not like. The reply was not necessary - maybe e-mail reply is not needed in the first place? My question is how did they know about the couple being gay. For once, we have to remember that gay is not a bad word overall. Personally speaking, I would not spread the e-mail reply to anyone but myself (and perhaps find another landscape business).
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2846 times:
The Farbers (landscapers in question) are idiots. They asked for this storm of controversy because they publicly turned down a job and said the reason was that the homeowners were gay.
Why didn't they simply turn the job down without that unnecessary jab?
No reason need be given.
Another thing. Why have all the religious literature on their website anyway? It seems to me that they were looking for a fight instead of looking for customers.
I may disagree with homosexuals, their agenda, or whatnot, but I will gladly treat them equally as my patients, hire them, be served at restaurants by them, or use their places of business. Hell, my DJ at my wedding was a flaming, and I specifically sought him out as he was the top DJ for weddings in the DFW area.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 27245 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2845 times:
Quoting Halcyon (Reply 3): On the other side, the couple did not just go straight to reporters or threaten anyone, so that's good. The people in the 200 that the message was forwarded to obviously leaked it and then the uproar was caused, so I'd blame them the most I think.
Leaked? They passed it on so people would know that these landscapers were bigotted in their business practices. There is nothing wrong with that.
Quoting Halcyon (Reply 3): Perhaps the man had many customers to choose from and decided to not choose to work for the ones he felt least comfortable around. Though his wording was crude, it was not in the least mean.
Of course it was mean. It was nasty, bigotted and downright rude. I hope these guys go out of business. BTW, it was a her, not a him, who wrote it.
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EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13923 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2736 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5): No one who practices ignorance and bigotry should be congratulated. They should be condemned-not threatened- but condemned-for treating their fellow man with such contempt.
I agree that they should not be congratulated, nor should the be threatened. They were NOT smart to cite their beliefs when refusing work - it should have been a simple, "No thank you, we're not interested," and left at that.
But why bother to treat them with contempt, either? They DO have the right to determine who they'll work for, even if the reason is ridiculous to most people.
I find it distasteful that anyone feels the landscaper should be tarred and feathered over this. They may be "wrong," but ultimately it's their RIGHT to be "wrong."
As the landscaper said in the article, the crowd of "tolerance and diversity" is not always so tolerant when all is said and done.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
Halcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2676 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 9): They passed it on so people would know that these landscapers were bigotted in their business practices. There is nothing wrong with that.
And now it's a big stink because it's spread all over the globe.
Quoting N1120A (Reply 9): Of course it was mean. It was nasty, bigotted and downright rude. I hope these guys go out of business. BTW, it was a her, not a him, who wrote it.
While I do NOT agree with her approach, she dot say "How effiing dare you you $(#$* ^#$%^*& #^$%^#*&^$#% $&*(# I'm gonna burn you at the stake and then sacrifice some virgins." That would be mean. While you might consider what he did to SHOW HATE, it was NOT lashing out. Simply concise and rude.
Sorry for screwing up with the gender as you so kindly caught and sorry for not responding. I was tired (3 hours of sleep ) so I went to bed. Dang physics tests. Bah.
JpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4407 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2664 times:
Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2): Kudos to the garden guy for standing up for what he believes in.
Yeah, good call! Same deal for Hitler! What a bullshit excuse for a reprehensible action....oh he was just standing up for his 'beliefs'. While he has every right to choose his projects, I have every right to wish the piece of shit goes bankrupt.
You have no idea who I am or what I believe in. I was simply saying that as a business owner he has the right to refuse service to anyone that he wants to, for any reason that he wants to. Welcome to the land of free enterprise. I am sure that the couple found someone else to take care of their yard. It really isn't that big of a deal, but some bleeding heart lib decided to make a huge deal of it. Let it go.
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: While I obviously disagree with the business' choice to deny their services based on the sexual orientation of the clients, I think what has happened
: Bingo. Because they're are quite a few people out there who believe that being gay fundamentally involves a choice. I agree. He wouldn't. But He woul
: So you would be ok with them syaing sorry we will not work for black people? Homophobia is the last acceptable type of bigotry. Things that people ac
: as a christian i'm appalled by this sort of behaviour and thinking. when will we christians stop and take the time to think and truly follow the examp
: This is proof that stupidity is timeless. As for these two Christian nuts, they're not good business people; last time I looked, the dollars in my wa
: The landscaping business is one of the largest employers of illegals as regular or day workers (Mexicans and others) in the USA. I would be willing to
: This is a perfect example of what christianity should strive to achieve. Kudos to you Aerofan.
: Can you imagine if the situation were reversed? Hell, if the gay guys were the landscape owners and refused to work for the Farbers because they're ev
: Folks, I've been living in Texas for decades and this kind of anti-gay shit is still common. I'm not gay myself, but I still get to hear lots of anti-
: I can see the signboards outside various TX businesses now: Bud Light 12pk $6.99 We don't serve fags Early Bird Special 7-9am $19.99 Queers aint welc
: Yikes! Remind me again, is TX still part of the US? Perhaps TX [along with any other part of Jesus-freakdom] should form its own "Kingdom of Christ".
: Wonder what he woud think if this guy came to mow his lawn
: it definately seems like both sides were looking for publicity. the gay couple could have seen from the garden guy website that the farbers included l
: For all we know they just found them in the yellow pages. Even so, just because they quote scripture on their website, it doesn't necessarily mean th
: First let me say that I think refusing to landscape someone's yard based on homosexuality is ridiculous. However, the death threats and such are absol
: You know with the publicity that is going on right now, I suspect the free market will determine if the policy goes on or not.
: Where in the bible does it say not to landscape a gay couple's house? Or anything remotely similar to that??? These people are bigots and I'm glad th
: As Texdravid notes below, the idiot landscaper brought it on himself. All he had to do is not respond to the request for bids. His affirmative act to
: As the original author of the comment noted, she actually brought more business upon herself. Calling her an idiot is being far too kind; this woman
: well . . . at least the west coast. Right now, the east coast is inhabited with Texans that hold too much power.