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Why Is It Unfashionable To Be A "Liberal"?  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

Greetings,

Why is it unfashionable to be a "Liberal" in today's society?

Liberals seem to be made fun of. Not only on these forums but in the reality of the normal world too.

In the Simpsons, while being chased by a goat, Mr. Burns called Lisa a "Liberal midget!".

In Desperate Housewives, when Lynette told Mrs. McKlusky about her beating about the bush with regards to telling her young son about the birds and the bees, the latter said that Lynette was preaching something like "Liberal idiocy" and that the best way was to shame the child.


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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

Hey, I wore a Conservative Party of Canada t-shirt the other day that the party gave me when I worked at a rally for Stephen Harper, some of the student's on campus started yelling F*uck all Conservatives. It happens, I get made fun of here for being Conservative, I must admit that I do invite it sometimes though, I do wear a lot of political t-shirts that I get when I volunteer for different party members.

But like AC773 says, Artie makes Liberals look crazy, but Conservatives have those people too, Ann Coulter for example, I think it all depends on which side you're on.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 2):
I think it all depends on which side you're on.

true, indeed. however, Liberals..............."unfashionable"

wha?



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4854 times:

it's way too fashionable to be a communist (what in the US is called a "liberal")...


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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1415 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4836 times:

From my understanding (and please correct me) in the US, the word 'liberal' was demonized in the 1980's and has had negative connotations attached to it ever since.

In Canada, it's not unfashionable I would say. The Liberal Party of Canada has a strong history in this country and I have never heard anyone made fun of or criticized for it more than someone may be criticized for being a conservative.

Maybe it depends on the country/continent?


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4832 times:

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 5):
In Canada, it's not unfashionable I would say. The Liberal Party of Canada has a strong history in this country and I have never heard anyone made fun of or criticized for it more than someone may be criticized for being a conservative.

I think that the Liberals have it better in Canada personally. I go to University of Windsor, a very NDP Union town, and wearing a Conservative t-shirt is not a good idea here as I've found out. I've been called every name in the book here, Bible Thumper etc... It doesn't bother me, however, I had one professor who called me out as uncaring and out of touch in class. Now I'll fully admit to being a bit of a dick, but I don't speak in class, he just thought it offensive that I wore the shirt, after that, I made sure it was on in every one of his lectures.


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5678 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Why is it unfashionable to be a "Liberal" in today's society?

It's certainly NOT unfashionable to be a Liberal here in Ireland or most of Europe! Quite the opposite, in fact. Being Conservative is much more undesirable and unfasionable. It is looked on as being stuffy and, well, CONSERVATIVE!

[Edited 2006-11-11 10:18:45]

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13739 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 6):
I had one professor who called me out as uncaring and out of touch in class

Well that was a bit harsh. What kind of module was it?



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 8):
Well that was a bit harsh. What kind of module was it?

I'm taking it by module you mean class, although I could be wrong, my apologies in advance. But the class was Youth In Conflict With The Law, basically a course about juvenile delinquency in Canada and how our system, or lack of it, deals with such offenders.


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5694 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 4):
it's way too fashionable to be a communist (what in the US is called a "liberal")...

You obviously have NO CLUE what you're talking about.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Why is it unfashionable to be a "Liberal" in today's society?

Is it? Maybe in the United States of Saudi America...


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 2):
but Conservatives have those people too, Ann Coulter for example, I think it all depends on which side you're on.

Well, I consider myself to be conservative and could just as easily tell Ann Coulter to f*** off!



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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Liberals seem to be made fun of. Not only on these forums but in the reality of the normal world too.

Au contraire! On these boards, being a liberal gives one respect and leeway with regards to suspensions, et. al.

In the U.S. only in the deep south is being a liberal considered in poor taste, and then only in small cities. I hardly think you would be out of place being liberal in Austin, Texas.

As for the rest of the world, being liberal is an advantage.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 12):
In the U.S. only in the deep south is being a liberal considered in poor taste, and then only in small cities. I hardly think you would be out of place being liberal in Austin, Texas.

You need to reverse that. Being a "liberal" anywhere in Texas outside of Austin is just asking for trouble. I've been verbally attacked in parking lots just for having the audacity to sit in a car that happened to have mildly pro-environmental bumper stickers on it. I should probably set it strait right from the beginning that these stickers were not vulgar in any way and did not direct their message to any specific group. When a "Wake up and smell the smog" bumper sticker is enough to get you harassed without provocation you know you're living in one pathetic state.

If y'all want to know how liberals are viewed in small town America, rent the documentary "The Fire Next Time". We're basically just one or two notches above Nazis to the conservative wing of our American media.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 13):
Being a "liberal" anywhere in Texas outside of Austin is just asking for trouble.

That explains Oak Lawn then.. Or is that a conservative gay community?  sarcastic 

Frankly, I find it revolting that any one cosiders fashion and liberal/conservative viewpoints in the same thoughts. If you core beliefs are dictated by fashion, you're a grade A wanker.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 14):
That explains Oak Lawn then.. Or is that a conservative gay community?

Are you actually equating gays with liberals?



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4671 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 15):
Are you actually equating gays with liberals?

Just observing that most homosexual persons happen to be liberal. An inferances that liberals are homosexual, or that all homosexuals are liberal are entirely on your behalf.

That being said, Oaklawn is a very liberal part of Dallas. And a gay community. You can make any connections you want.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

It WAS unfashionable to be a liberal in the US until three days ago.

I woke up Wednesday morning and turned on the radio. After listening to the glad tidings of great joy I rolled over and told my wife "Honey, wake up! It's a great day to be a liberal pinko queer!" Laughs all around.

I guess this means I can take down my picture of Chairman Newt and use the Contract On America to line my birdcage with....the funniest part of it all was listening to Rush Limbaugh on his website passing the blame around-he says he's not going to carry the Republican Party any more.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 13):
You need to reverse that. Being a "liberal" anywhere in Texas outside of Austin is just asking for trouble. I've been verbally attacked in parking lots just for having the audacity to sit in a car that happened to have mildly pro-environmental bumper stickers on it. I should probably set it strait right from the beginning that these stickers were not vulgar in any way and did not direct their message to any specific group. When a "Wake up and smell the smog" bumper sticker is enough to get you harassed without provocation you know you're living in one pathetic state.

If y'all want to know how liberals are viewed in small town America, rent the documentary "The Fire Next Time". We're basically just one or two notches above Nazis to the conservative wing of our American media.

Dude, did you realize that Dallas country just voted in an almost entirely Democratic ticket? Yes, that Dallas.

Many rural texas towns I would argue are more tolerant to liberals and gays than a place like SFO and Berkeley would be to conservatives. In my part of rural/exurb Texas, there are plenty of cars with John Kerry stickers from 2004, many liberals and many gays. It ain't just Austin.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 18):

Dude, did you realize that Dallas country just voted in an almost entirely Democratic ticket? Yes, that Dallas.

Dallas "country"?  Big grin

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 18):
Many rural texas towns I would argue are more tolerant to liberals and gays than a place like SFO and Berkeley would be to conservatives.

Please explain how you came to that conclusion.

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 18):
In my part of rural/exurb Texas, there are plenty of cars with John Kerry stickers from 2004, many liberals and many gays. It ain't just Austin.

Bumper stickers and pockets of free thinkers does equal a moderate state. Texas was still pro-conservative and anti-liberal the last time I checked (after the 2006 mid-term elections).



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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 19):
Bumper stickers and pockets of free thinkers does equal a moderate state. Texas was still pro-conservative and anti-liberal the last time I checked (after the 2006 mid-term elections).

Well I live here full time, and thus I am observing what I see in my upper class exurb/rural area.

Quoting SATX (Reply 19):
Please explain how you came to that conclusion.

I meant Dallas county. My bad. With regards to the SFO angle, I myself at a party in downtown SF observed rants and heated dialogue against conservatives. I have heard nothing but frothy diatribes in Manhattan against anything right of Eliot Spitzer. I have seen many instances of left-wing narrow mindedness in all the liberal enclaves in the country.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 2):
some of the student's on campus started yelling F*uck all Conservatives. It happens, I get made fun of here for being Conservative,

Since liberals are supposed to be all tolerant and inclusive, I find that hilarious.

When was the last time you saw crowds of conservatives assault a liberal? The reverse happens all the time (Just ask Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter or Minutemen speakers)


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3590 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

Examples:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 6):
I think that the Liberals have it better in Canada personally. I go to University of Windsor, a very NDP Union town, and wearing a Conservative t-shirt is not a good idea here as I've found out. I've been called every name in the book here, Bible Thumper etc... It doesn't bother me, however, I had one professor who called me out as uncaring and out of touch in class. Now I'll fully admit to being a bit of a dick, but I don't speak in class, he just thought it offensive that I wore the shirt, after that, I made sure it was on in every one of his lectures.



Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 2):
Hey, I wore a Conservative Party of Canada t-shirt the other day that the party gave me when I worked at a rally for Stephen Harper, some of the student's on campus started yelling F*uck all Conservatives. It happens, I get made fun of here for being Conservative, I must admit that I do invite it sometimes though, I do wear a lot of political t-shirts that I get when I volunteer for different party members.



Quoting Texdravid (Reply 18):
Many rural texas towns I would argue are more tolerant to liberals and gays than a place like SFO and Berkeley would be to conservatives. In my part of rural/exurb Texas, there are plenty of cars with John Kerry stickers from 2004, many liberals and many gays. It ain't just Austin.



Quoting Texdravid (Reply 20):
meant Dallas county. My bad. With regards to the SFO angle, I myself at a party in downtown SF observed rants and heated dialogue against conservatives. I have heard nothing but frothy diatribes in Manhattan against anything right of Eliot Spitzer. I have seen many instances of left-wing narrow mindedness in all the liberal enclaves in the country.

And now to thehypocritical point:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 21):
Since liberals are supposed to be all tolerant and inclusive, I find that hilarious.

When was the last time you saw crowds of conservatives assault a liberal? The reverse happens all the time (Just ask Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter or Minutemen speakers)

It always amazed me how the far left would preach the goodness of open-mindedness, free speech, and tolerance for all, EXCEPT when the ideas conflicted with their political beliefs.


User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 21):
When was the last time you saw crowds of conservatives assault a liberal?

Every time I turn on FOX NEWS or just about anything on the AM radio band. Next?



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User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1833 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 2):
Hey, I wore a Conservative Party of Canada t-shirt the other day that the party gave me when I worked at a rally for Stephen Harper, some of the student's on campus started yelling F*uck all Conservatives. It happens, I get made fun of here for being Conservative, I must admit that I do invite it sometimes though, I do wear a lot of political t-shirts that I get when I volunteer for different party members.

LOL! I can imagine that happening, and I bet it would be pretty funny, even for you! I would love to stick on an NDP t-shirt and go for a walk in small-town Alberta. I think all this "unfasionableness" (if that's a word) really depends where you are, not whether you're a Liberal, Conservative or whatever.

Quoting SKYSERVICE_330 (Reply 5):
In Canada, it's not unfashionable I would say. The Liberal Party of Canada has a strong history in this country and I have never heard anyone made fun of or criticized for it more than someone may be criticized for being a conservative.

This is exactly true for Canada.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 23):
Every time I turn on FOX NEWS or just about anything on the AM radio band. Next?

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Wrong!!!!

I'm not talking about arguing, I'm talking about physical assaults, such as has happened an several occasions to the speakers I mentioned.


25 Post contains images Turbo7x7 : Except for the hypocritical gay mafia that secretly runs the GOP machine in the Beltway. . . And yet we're STILL derided as a bunch of wussies. Well,
26 Shinkai : liberal means being free right? you mean it is not fashionable to be free? then what's this "land of the free and the home of the brave" business all
27 BHMBAGLOCK : I've met Gavin and he's much more liberal than I am - and considerably more fashionable as well I assure you. Does it matter? Well then, you might as
28 Cfalk : That is the traditional meaning, but now, in the U.S. at any rate, the term "liberal" has come to mean someone who believes in big government which w
29 SATX : Actually, I used the REACTION to the bumper stickers as one of my examples of anti-liberal views. See the difference?
30 MrChips : It's no more unfashionable than being a conservative. The problem is not what is "fashionable" and what isn't, the problem comes from the fact that m
31 BHMBAGLOCK : No, because the opposite of "reaction" is "lack of reaction" and I think Tex's point was that many people in his part of TX sport similar bumper stic
32 NeilYYZ : Oh it was, I have no problem with people yelling that at me, I just kept on walking with a big smile on my face.
33 Post contains images Halls120 : MrChips says it better than I could.
34 AerospaceFan : I think that a simple answer would be that liberals have taken things too far in too many areas of life, and the world has simply been reacting to th
35 AndesSMF : I find most people I know are this way. My answer would be simple. It is not unfashionable to be called a liberal, or a conservative for that matter.
36 SATX : Care to back up that surprisingly sweeping statement with something concrete? While liberals may be well and truly demonized in the US domestic media
37 AndesSMF : This, people, is exactly what I posted. Perfect example. Here, he complains about a 'sweeping statement', and he answers back with, a 'sweeping state
38 Singapore_Air : Thank you for all your responses thus far. A very enlightening debate. I send thanks and Kudos to you all.
39 AerospaceFan : In the United States, I think that a lot of liberal ideology is tied in with things like gay marriage and the like -- issues that have no interest to
40 SATX : The difference is that my sweeping statement is backed up by voting records and folks that make 1950's style remarks when they think they're in frien
41 Post contains images VANGUARD737 : From an American viewpoint: Simple: People don't like whiners who constantly look for the negative and attack other people's ideas, yet never offer an
42 AerospaceFan : I want to thank everyone who has said kind words about me during the last few days and weeks, when I was absent and preoccupied with Thanksgiving and
43 Dougloid : What happened was, the Republican party let itself get coopted by the Limbaugh/Gingrich/Reagan wing of the party, to the extent that the electorate b
44 LHMARK : I would say it's definitely more fashionable to be a liberal than a conservative. The fashionable set- movie stars, rock musicians, fashion models, et
45 AerospaceFan : I think that the loss of the majority in Congress the last several weeks has had the effect that many of us feared. To be honest, even as a registere
46 Dougloid : Well, when I went to pick the old lady up at work and instead of there being 22 M1 Abrams tanks on post there were only the hangar queens left, I had
47 Post contains links and images Confuscius : Liberals unfashionable? Nancy Pelosi in an Armani suit. Muted Tones Of Quiet Authority: A Look Suited To the Speaker By Robin Givhan Washington Post S
48 Halls120 : Just curious. Do you post on Anet for the enjoyment of discussion, or for the purpose of garnering compliments? Faulty premise. Liberalism isn't desp
49 AerospaceFan : Increasingly, it looks as though you may be right. The "plan" often articulated is that we will withdraw when the Iraqi government is capable of defe
50 OzarkD9S : Liberal: Liberty Liberate Libations Conservative: Conserve Conservation Restriction Do as I say and you won't go to hell
51 Halls120 : All very interesting, but you haven't addressed my critique of your earlier posts. Do you only respond to your fans? Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 42):
52 Nitrohelper : I certainly agree that is what has happened in the last 10 years. Over the last 40 years I have gone from a poor Democrat to a comfortable Republican
53 Sebolino : Wearing a political t-shirt is a call for troubles.
54 MDorBust : Some questions: 1) Can we assume that the inclusion of "libations" is a Ted Kennedy reference? 2) If Conservatives are the ones that conserve, are li
55 AerospaceFan : I think that this is part of the problem. Does government exist to implement the will of the people, or does it exist to determine it? I've been quit
56 Nitrohelper : My number one complaint with the Feds! ! ! My wife is Indonesian Chinese, we had five years of pure Bullshit in dealing with the government to get he
57 Halls120 : Well, then perhaps you would care to address the following: Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 42): That said, I wish to again address the question of liber
58 Post contains images Dvk : The Blue Dot isn't nearly as annoying as all the W stickers.
59 AerospaceFan : I think that since it became popular for the left to become preoccupied with environmental concerns, technological progress came to be seen on their
60 Halls120 : If mainstream liberalism acted as if they were Luddites, I'd agree. For you to suggest that liberals who advocate sensible controls on excess emissio
61 AerospaceFan : That's never a safe assumption.
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