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Who Said No Nat. Champ. For The Irish?  
User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

hey guys,

it's a safe assumption after today that anything can happen these upcoming weeks in regards to the BCS standings. also, its a possibility that the Irish can make a run for the national championship. we need a Michigan win (Saturday vs. OSU of course), along with a sound victory over the Trojans. we're not out of it quite yet..

...just a random thread, any death threats or comments are welcome


-Ryan

Go Irish


Whoever said winning is not everything never fought cancer.
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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Thread starter):
Who Said No Nat. Champ. For The Irish?

Me for one.

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Thread starter):
we're not out of it quite yet..

No, but you sure need a hell of a lot of help to even sniff the jockstrap of the national championship game. Obviously there will be a loser in the OSU-UM game but you also must beat USC above you plus pray for my Gators to lose a game (not a hard feat given our sputtering offense) and then you still have to consider Arkansas if they were to beat us for the SEC Championship. The SEC winner if they have one loss will play for the national title given the current situation.

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Thread starter):
any death threats or comments are welcome

No death threat but Brady Quinn sure needs to cut his hair. He looks like a girl. And an ugly one at that. His sister got all the looks in the family.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

Anything can happen; BUT, the Irish will get their asses handed to them if they make it to the final dance.

User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
No, but you sure need a hell of a lot of help to even sniff the jockstrap of the national championship game. Obviously there will be a loser in the OSU-UM game but you also must beat USC above you plus pray for my Gators to lose a game (not a hard feat given our sputtering offense) and then you still have to consider Arkansas if they were to beat us for the SEC Championship. The SEC winner if they have one loss will play for the national title given the current situation.

well, my logic was ND definitely needs a Michigan win Saturday. with a UM win, the Irish will have one loss, and it would be to the number one team in the country. also, I have a feeling Arkansas will knock off Florida for the SEC, and I believe we'll beat USC. with all this considered, the potential BCS standings could look like this come season's end:
-Michigan
-Notre Dame
-Arkansas



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User currently offlineDeltaOwnsAll From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

Actually pretty likely that OSU would only fall to #2 if they lost to UM...

User currently offlineORDRyan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Quoting DeltaOwnsAll (Reply 4):
Actually pretty likely that OSU would only fall to #2 if they lost to UM...

I think you're right, but I hope not. If OSU did lose, I suppose it would depend on the margin of defeat. New rankings were just unveiled, the Irish are 5!!

-Ryan



Whoever said winning is not everything never fought cancer.
User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Reply 3):
well, my logic was ND definitely needs a Michigan win Saturday. with a UM win, the Irish will have one loss, and it would be to the number one team in the country. also, I have a feeling Arkansas will knock off Florida for the SEC, and I believe we'll beat USC. with all this considered, the potential BCS standings could look like this come season's end:
-Michigan
-Notre Dame
-Arkansas

So you're saying OSU falls of the face of the earth?



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 6):
So you're saying OSU falls of the face of the earth?

Well we did when ND lost to UM.

[Edited 2006-11-13 04:49:21]


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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 7):
Well we did when we lost to UM.

Thats what happens when a 'national title front-runner' gets absolutely blown out at home in week 3.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 8):
Thats what happens when a 'national title front-runner' gets absolutely blown out at home in week 3.

No, thats what happens when ND loses, the most HATED team in all of college football as expressed in ORDryan's thread and in mine.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 9):
ND...the most HATED team in all of college football

You guys bring it upon yourself. If your Subway Alumni would quit being so damn smug for a team that hasn't done much of anything since 1988 you might not be so hated. Just a thought to rehabilitate the image...though I'm sure it will be met on deaf ears.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):

Do I think ND is the best team in the NCAA? No. Do I think ND is better than what [you] people give them credit for? Yes.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

We do.

Signed,

Buckeye Nation.

Actually, I'd LOVE to see UND get into the title, simply so OSU could beat the shit out of them for a second consecutive year. That's fine by me.  Big grin


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4280 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

Quoting ORDRyan28 (Thread starter):
Who Said No Nat. Champ. For The Irish?

Add me to that list

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
Anything can happen; BUT, the Irish will get their asses handed to them if they make it to the final dance.

Agreed. Jeff Samardja or however his name is spelled is the real deal. Brady Quinn is not. He has looked mediocre at best in games against teams that are even halfway decent. He has had real problems reading defenses. C'mon, having to come back to beat Michigan State and UCLA?!? ND's defense has cracks large enough to allow someone like me to run through!

On the other hand, who else has a chance? Outside of Ohio State and Michigan there are no real powerhouse teams this year; every other team has shown gaping holes in either offense or defense. I don't see ND beating USC, though. ND is overhyped, plain and simple. The PAC-10 is so even in terms of talent that we have Washington State beating USC who beat Oregon who beat Arizona who beat Cal who beat Washington State. Or something like that, don't remember it all off the top of my head. But even though Zona beat Cal, Cal could still come back and beat USC who are still more talented than UND.

What do we have then? OSU or Michigan will be #1 and likely still #2 if the game is close. Florida has not played like a #3 team. They don't score points and their defense is mediocre. Next down the list is Rutgers, who play Cincy, Syracuse, and West Virginia. If Rutgers run the table, then maybe, but they have to get past WVU, which may not happen. Then it would be down to Arkansas, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

What matters is that it doesn't really matter if a team other than Michigan or OSU plays for the National Championship. They are simply better than all other teams in college football right now. Whoever goes up against either one of those teams for the championship will lose. Although I have to admit, I wouldn't mind seeing Notre Dame have their asses handed to them by Michigan again  Wink

Actually would not be surprised if the people at NCAA HQ are hoping for Rutgers to play either Mich or OSU. RU gives college football really great, really close access to the largest media market in the US.

Oh, the other thing that must be mentioned...the BCS computers rank Michigan 1, Rutgers 2, and OSU 3.

Texan



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 13):
Oh, the other thing that must be mentioned...the BCS computers rank Michigan 1, Rutgers 2, and OSU 3.

That computer if fucked up-no offense to any Rutgers fans. There's no way Rutgers is better than Ohio State.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 13):
Washington State beating USC who beat Oregon who beat Arizona who beat Cal who beat Washington State

Something is very wrong in that math.

Quoting Texan (Reply 13):
I wouldn't mind seeing Notre Dame have their asses handed to them by Michigan again

Ingnorance.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 15):


Quoting Texan (Reply 13):
I wouldn't mind seeing Notre Dame have their asses handed to them by Michigan again

Ingnorance.

How is that 'ingnorance'?



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 16):
How is that 'ingnorance'?

Because it is a statement without any reasoning (Don't tell me the resoning is that UM has all ready beat ND, that was the past). I am not saying that ND would win if they had a rematch, I am just saying that you or Texan does not know that they would lose, or get "there asses handed to them", as you guys keep saying.



"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4280 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 15):
Quoting Texan (Reply 13):
I wouldn't mind seeing Notre Dame have their asses handed to them by Michigan again

Ingnorance.

You're right. I'm sorry. Notre Dame is the pinnacle of perfection, the acme of achievements. How is my personal preference of seeing UND be trounced again by a vastly superior team "ignorance?"

Texan



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User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4280 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 17):
Because it is a statement without any reasoning (Don't tell me the resoning is that UM has all ready beat ND, that was the past). I am not saying that ND would win if they had a rematch, I am just saying that you or Texan does not know that they would lose, or get "there asses handed to them", as you guys keep saying.

And you don't know they wouldn't get their asses handed to them. It is ignorant of you to say otherwise, in this case, unless you somehow know for a fact that UND is going to win. I mean, Touchdown Jesus helps y'all out, I'm sure, but I doubt he told y'all that if there was a rematch y'all would win.

Texan



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

I love how Notre Dame comes out of the woodwork only when its looking like they have a chance to win something. Some of the worst bandwagon fans anywhere.

User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 9):
the most HATED team in all of college football as expressed in ORDryan's thread and in mine.


Mich v. ND Thread

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 17):
Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 16):How is that 'ingnorance'?
Because it is a statement without any reasoning (Don't tell me the resoning is that UM has all ready beat ND, that was the past). I am not saying that ND would win if they had a rematch, I am just saying that you or Texan does not know that they would lose, or get "there asses handed to them", as you guys keep saying.

It's not ignorence, it's a rivalry  Silly


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 13):
Actually would not be surprised if the people at NCAA HQ are hoping for Rutgers to play either Mich or OSU. RU gives college football really great, really close access to the largest media market in the US.

They'd probably be the only ones outside of Rutgers that might be into that matchup. Fox wouldn't be into it, and the only reason OU or UM would be into it would be the guaranteed victory.

I'm thinking (and hoping) that if Rutgers wins out, they'll be in one of the lower tier BCS games. Imagine that, guys, Rutgers and Boise State in the BCS  yuck  ...

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2986 times:

Oh, great. Another Notre Shame fan. I had to sit next to a huge fat one at the 2001 Fiesta Bowl, and listen to him for 2 quarters. Then the second half started. He left midway through the 3rd. Couldn't take all the Oregon State fans letting him hear exactly how soundly OSU was stomping his beloved Irish.

I don't know what I enjoy more. Watching the University of Oregon lose, or watching Notre Dame lose.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2978 times:

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[Edited 2006-11-14 01:33:31]


"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
25 DeltaOwnsAll : Dont get me wrong...i have no rooting interest for the Irish, but ive never quite understood what it is that everyone hates about them so much. Fans o
26 DeltaGator : I think that is the main reason why. Look at ND's record the last 10 years and see that it has been mediocre at best but yet they still have the NBC
27 ORDRyan28 : stop saying that damn y'all. I love you ND haters. Keep talking your shit, it does not degrade us whatsoever. oo by the way, to remark on everyone wh
28 Post contains images ORDRyan28 : and just for the record, Michigan will win Saturday I do believe that with a home loss very late in the season after being #1 all the while, they will
29 Post contains images DeltaGator : But we're still ahad of you so enjoy the view from below and then further down as USC beats you. Have fun losing though. I love to see the ND complai
30 Boston92 : Florida loses to Arkansas, ND beats USC, and UM beats OSU and ND will have the best chance at being #2.
31 ORDRyan28 : thank you. no way Florida beats Arkansas, I'm not even sure they'll get by FSU in two weeks
32 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Yeeeaaahh, right. A victory, maybe, but not a sound one. Odds are - USC introduces the big toe (again) to the butts of the Irish . Yeah . . . yet . W
33 DeltaOwnsAll : Arkansas has a decent shot, but FSU? sure anything can happen, but did you see their game last wk? go Gators~~~
34 ORDRyan28 : ooh, you must have missed the last second games against ASU, Washington, WSU, and, of course, the loss to Oregon State. I like how everyone claims US
35 KROC : What do you expect when their "blowout" wins are against the Service Acadamies. I mean nothing like being a National Powerhouse and throwing 3 games
36 Arch89U : Everyone has to admit that the Irish's schedule this year isn't that difficult. At the outset it looked difficult, but in reality it turned out to be
37 KROC : The Service Acadamies play respectable football, but they are hardly real competition for th top level schools like Notre Dame. The players on the Aca
38 Arch89U : How about the fact that ND schedules approximately 4 or 5 years in advance, and when they made the schedule UCLA was a very respectable program (bette
39 Post contains images KROC : We? I had no idea you had such an important role in the Notre Dame program.
40 Boston92 : Because they signed a contract with NBC. ANY team would sign that contract. Next weekend is UM vs OSU; then there will be ND vs USC, then YOU will mo
41 KROC : What are you talking about? Where did the other pwerhouses go? Did they vanish?
42 Boston92 : In context of this year, UM and OSU are the only ones. Period.
43 KROC : Really? 1 loss Florida and 1 loss USC don't count? 2 loss teams that are perennial winners all of a sudden don't count? Please.
44 DeltaOwnsAll : what exactly does 'should have' mean, lol. They won completely on their own merit, theres no 'should have lost'. And god knows i meant the fsu game..
45 Boston92 : I would usually agree, but what are the chances that a team miss two game winning kicks, one being an extra point.
46 ORDRyan28 : they don't. Florida is certainly overrated, and please do not listen to lee corso on ESPN claiming that USC is a great football team...they're not an
47 JpetekYXMD80 : Sounds like they were in a bowl game with Notre Dame!!
48 DeltaOwnsAll : blocked...by Florida. thats what i meant.
49 Boston92 : If the ball does not go through those yellow metal things that some people call uprights, it is a missed kick. Weather it is wide left, blocked, shor
50 DeltaOwnsAll : whoa. really though, I disagree. results, not excuses...florida came through on their own. Regardless of the chances of blocking it twice, they did it
51 JpetekYXMD80 : That is just ridiculous. Its a fact that Notre Dame gets more hype and media attention typically, and all this certainly does not hurt them in the po
52 KROC : You are trying to redefine powerhouse. I'm talking about traditional college powerhouses. Year after year after year they are good with the rare off
53 Travelin man : As a UCLA fan (please spare me the sympathy, I know they are mediocre at best), I can confidently say that ND will not beat USC in the Coliseum. So al
54 ORDRyan28 : hahahahahahhahaha....you narrow minded people, instead of criticizing Notre Dame and Notre Dame alone, have you seen USC play football at all this ye
55 Travelin man : Let's see: A Notre Dame team that last beat a ranked opponent on the road, umm... when? (I'll give you an unranked GA Tech in the first game of the ye
56 Boston92 : Yeah, it's gonna be funny. It was 30-27 last year and that was with a Heisman Winner as their starting QB. This year with Booty. It will be funny on
57 ORDRyan28 : granted that, GA Tech was 24 in the Coach's Poll when the Irish beat them on the road. please, stop with this USC garbage, cause, it is garbage. I gu
58 Travelin man : I saw when ND squeaked out the win against the Bruins. Trust me, I have no horse in this race. Notre Dame will lose against $C. Notre Dame has given
59 ORDRyan28 : I thought that was very compelling not to mention provocative, I cannot argue how good a football team is, you'll just have to see with your own narr
60 Post contains images JpetekYXMD80 : You both deserve each other. Do you see how stupid you sound with all these guarantee crap? Whats so hard to understand about a rivalry game between
61 Travelin man : Well, let's see. MY team is UCLA, a team that actually has to play both Notre Dame and U$C this year. MY team is not better than either one. So, base
62 JpetekYXMD80 : Not my point. My point is this is not a debate. Debates use statistics and actual arguments other than 'you'll see' or 'because I said so'. My predic
63 Travelin man : Agree completely. Again, trust me, I DON'T have a horse in this race. The last thing I want to do is have U$C have more success. But as an impartial
64 JpetekYXMD80 : I was probly too harsh on you, as my main critique was with ORDRyan's blatant hypocrisy and lack of reasoning other than 'you'll see', etc, etc
65 Travelin man : That's cool. That was my main argument as well. It's easy to predict a Notre Dame win and not back it up with ANY factual arguments whatsoever. But a
66 ORDRyan28 : I can...you have two top 5 teams playing each other, in a game of this magnitude and this much talent level on the field at once, anything is bound t
67 Travelin man : Why am I reminded of Dumb & Dumber, where Jim Carrey asks Lauren Holly if she would ever go out with him, and she says the chances would be one out o
68 ORDRyan28 : okay, but you're obviously not going on performance to date because if you were, you would not have picked USC (hence their 3 close games; 1 loss).
69 JpetekYXMD80 : Dude, seriously, are you completely oblivious to the fact that ND has played just as many close games as USC? The fiasco at Michigan State, UCLA, etc
70 ORDRyan28 : dude, seriously, are you serious? I am defending my team and the almost "upsets" they've had. I am letting everyone else aware the fact that USC has
71 JpetekYXMD80 : Oh, absolutely!
72 Boston92 : What etc...etc??? You named Michigan State and UCLA. That is it. That is about half as many as USC.
73 JpetekYXMD80 : ND has had 3 games decided by 7 or less and one big loss USC has had 4 games decided by 7 or less, with one loss included in that. So each team has w
74 Boston92 : I would rather ND lose BIG to Michigan than lose to a team like Oregon State. Don't make it sound like USC's loss was constituted, because it was not
75 ORDRyan28 : well, I've come to the conclusion that arguing will get me nowhere, so, Go Irish!
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