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Soldier Coerced Into Photo-Op With Hillary Clinton  
User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

Found this on a cop forum and found it amusing. Perhaps someone who knows more about the photo or the hand signal can elaborate.



Caption: “He’s giving the sign of 'coercion' with his left hand. These hand signs are taught in survival school to be used by POWs as a method of posing messages back to our intelligence services who may view the photo or video. This guy was obviously coerced into shaking hands with Hillary Clinton.”

Notes:
- I don't know the source before I pulled it from the forum.
- I didn't post this to get into a political debate or to make a statement.
- I didn't write the caption and don't know who did.
- Sorry if this is old news. I performed a fruitless search before posting.

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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

Quoting IAH777 (Thread starter):
Soldier Coerced Into Photo-Op With Hillary Clinton

But he still has health insurance.


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

The coercion theory appears to be correct. From www.snopes.com:

"The gesture of crossing one's fingers is not unique to the military, of course; it is an ages-old symbol used to indicate that the finger-crosser does not mean what he is saying or is being compelled to act through coercion. (A typical kiddie trick is to surreptitiously cross one's fingers behind one's back while making a promise, a token that supposedly shields the finger-crosser from the obligation of upholding the terms of his oath.) The implication of the photograph shown above (which began circulating on the Internet in early 2004 and was taken at one of the military facilities New York senator Hillary Clinton visited in Iraq during the Thanksgiving 2003 holidays), then, is that despite the smiling faces and friendly hand-shaking captured in the picture, the soldier is communicating that he is not really all that pleased to be meeting Senator Clinton.

The "not really all that pleased" assessment is evidently accurate — although the picture originally appeared without any accompanying text, and the "coercion" caption was only added later to make the humor of the photograph more explicit — as the soldier pictured with Senator Clinton (who asked that we not identify him by name) told us that he employed the gesture to indicate that he was not a fan of the senator's and was not as appreciative of having the opportunity to meet (and pose with) her as it might otherwise appear".


http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/crossed.asp

and also:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hillary-soldier.htm

[Edited 2006-11-13 11:42:54]

User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

Damn. I looked on Snopes, but didn't find it. Oh well...

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

Quoting IAH777 (Reply 3):
Damn. I looked on Snopes, but didn't find it. Oh well...

Should have looked here on A.net. We've had that photo posted before. I think its a few years old.....



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting IAH777 (Thread starter):
Caption: "He's giving the sign of 'coercion' with his left hand. These hand signs are taught in survival school to be used by POWs as a method of posing messages back to our intelligence services who may view the photo or video. This guy was obviously coerced into shaking hands with Hillary Clinton."

If it is indeed true, I find it extremely rude and disrespectful.

I would say the same if the photo op was with "W".

I am no fan of Sen. Clinton either, but there is a time and place for such things, and this was, IMHO, a poor choice of actions on the soldiers part.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 5):
I am no fan of Sen. Clinton either, but there is a time and place for such things, and this was, IMHO, a poor choice of actions on the soldiers part.

Ah, but nothing of apparently making a soldier take a poll booster?

I must have missed the part of my oath that mandated I take pub shots with the civie overlords.

Want a good photo-op? Find a soldier that likes you. Order a soldier to give you a poll booster... don't be surprised when one of the millions of ways soldiers have of fighting the suck sneaks in.

President Clinton was the CINC, so he gets some respect. His wife was not. If she wants to play politics with the troops it's open season.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 6):
Ah, but nothing of apparently making a soldier take a poll booster?

I must have missed the part of my oath that mandated I take pub shots with the civie overlords.

Want a good photo-op? Find a soldier that likes you. Order a soldier to give you a poll booster... don't be surprised when one of the millions of ways soldiers have of fighting the suck sneaks in.

President Clinton was the CINC, so he gets some respect. His wife was not. If she wants to play politics with the troops it's open season.

But honestly MD, would you defend the soldier if the subject was Bush? I hardly think so.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4889 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 7):
But honestly MD, would you defend the soldier if the subject was Bush? I hardly think so.

I believe I already covered that.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 6):
President Clinton was the CINC, so he gets some respect. His wife was not. If she wants to play politics with the troops it's open season.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4882 times:

MD,

No matter what, Sen Clinton is still an elected official and is due all of the respect that the office holds.

Again, IMHO, I think it was a rude thing for the soldier to do.

I think we can go to and fro on the topic, I'm just stateing my opinion.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 5):
I find it extremely rude and disrespectful.

I do too! I am appalled that a United States Senator would USE a soldier, serving honorably, as a prop in a photo op. It is disrepectful toward all troops.

Any politician, red or blue should ask for volunteers from the entire unit when they want to find a real American to drape themselves with in this manner.

It is a politician saying: "See, they do like me after all, so you can vote for me and still be a patriot." Disrespectful and rude.

I agree that we should show respect toward our elected officials - so long as they are doing what is in their charter. When they start using my mug to sell their snake oil, it is open season.

BTW, there must have been a thousand swabbos on the flight deck when the Dubster did his "mission accomplished" show. Any one of them had the opportunity to make the international jerking sign. Check the footage if you believe in bipartisanship. Perhaps some did.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 9):
MD,

No matter what, Sen Clinton is still an elected official and is due all of the respect that the office holds.

She can be elected to what ever office she wants. If she isn't CINC she shouldn't mess with the troops.

Let's play your politician swap to the appropriate comparison. If the soldier had done that to President Clinton, no, I would not be defending him. The Jr. Senator from NY will get the respect due to her in the chambers of the Senate. When she goes and plays politics in the field, she's fair game. She's doing nothing but attempting to boost her numbers, apparently with unwilling soldiers.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 9):
Again, IMHO, I think it was a rude thing for the soldier to do.

And I think it was rude, and stupid to force a soldier to do that. She got what she deserved.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 10):
Any politician, red or blue should ask for volunteers from the entire unit when they want to find a real American to drape themselves with in this manner.

It is a politician saying: "See, they do like me after all, so you can vote for me and still be a patriot." Disrespectful and rude.

I agree that we should show respect toward our elected officials - so long as they are doing what is in their charter. When they start using my mug to sell their snake oil, it is open season.



Quoting MDorBust (Reply 11):
And I think it was rude, and stupid to force a soldier to do that

You really think the soldier was "forced" into a photo op? I doubt it. Most of the time, folks line up to have their pics taken with politicos.

I really doubt he was ordered to do it?


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 12):
I really doubt he was ordered to do it?

According to the soldiers statement, that is exactly what happened.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 13):
According to the soldiers statement, that is exactly what happened.

Where's the statement?

snopes said: told us that he employed the gesture to indicate that he was not a fan of the senator's and was not as appreciative of having the opportunity to meet.....


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4825 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 12):
I really doubt he was ordered to do it?

Well it typically doesn't go:

XO: "Private Snuffy, you WILL shake person X's hand, and take a photo with them. Understood dirt bag?"
Private Joe Snuffy: "Yes, sir."

Nah it typically goes like this:

XO: "Alright ladies, we've gotta stop fighting the war - you know the whole reason we're here - for a few hours and play the "game." Person X is visiting, and all of you WILL be there to greet them. I want you to shake Person X's hand, take the photos, play nice, don't say anything stupid and pretend like you want to be there. Don't fuck this up."
Platoon: "Sir, yes sir!"

So if that soldier was guilty of anything, it was probably disobeying his XO when he was told not to "fuck this up."

So yes Dtw, we are typically made to act like we give a shit. All of you will be standing around in the common room or outside standing in formation... person X will walk in, give a little speech about how they're "fighting for you back in Washington," walk up to you, ask you your name... and then BAM! Person X's PR photo-guy is right there in your face saying, "HEY SOLDIER! Why don't you give us a smile!" **SNAP!** And then Person X takes off. No doubt to rush back to DC to continue "fighting for us."

I grew up in New Hampshire... and I've met more politicians in Iraq, than I did my entire life growing up in the First Primary State.

-UH60

[Edited 2006-11-13 18:01:55]

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15):
So yes Dtw, we are typically made to act like we give a shit. All of you will be standing around in the common room or outside standing in formation... person X will walk in, give a little speech about how they're "fighting for you back in Washington," walk up to you, ask you your name... and then BAM! Person X's PR photo-guy is right there in your face saying, "HEY SOLDIER! Why don't you give us a smile!" **SNAP!** And then Person X takes off. No doubt to rush back to DC to continue "fighting for us."

Well, I stand corrected then.

But, what's your take UH60 on his actions?


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 16):

But, what's your take UH60 on his actions?

I avoid these situations like the plague. A lot of times these people don't care about you - they take the picture so they can go back home and use it in a fancy political ad or re-election bid.

I had the "privilege" of flying a well known "Pro-military" Senator around, and his exact quote was, "God Sergeant, this place blows."

First, I'm not a fucking sgt... I just introduced myself to you as CW2 UH60FtRucker, not 5 minutes ago! Second, yeah I know it blows. Thanks for reminding me. Have any other gems of morale boosting quotes??  Yeah sure

So I know what that soldier was going through... "Oh here we go again." But at the same time, all of us soldiers know we need to be doing this better, smarter, more polite and more gracious than everyone else. Because there are A LOT of people just waiting for us to trip up, so they can use it to criticize us.

So this particular soldier should not have made the gesture, because all it does is take the focus off the war, and on to him. It was just dumb. But also, compare THIS disrespect, to the disrespect many of his CIVILIAN teeange counterparts show in today's world. Puts it a little bit of perspective on it, doesn't it?

-UH60


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 17):
a well known "Pro-military" Senator around, and his exact quote was, "God Sergeant...

A Senator can be regarded as "pro-military" and still believe that sergeants fly aircraft? I guess nothing has changed. Not necessary that you actually know anything about an armed force to be qualified to dictate its budget and workrules.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 17):
So this particular soldier should not have made the gesture, because all it does is take the focus off the war, and on to him. It was just dumb. But also, compare THIS disrespect, to the disrespect many of his CIVILIAN teeange counterparts show in today's world. Puts it a little bit of perspective on it, doesn't it?

Very well said....I couldn't agree with you more on all points!

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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 14):
Where's the statement?

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hillary-soldier.htm

Quote:
After his discharge from the Army, the soldier posted a personal profile on Yahoo Personals as part of looking for introductions to single females.
In his profile, he includes the picture with Hillary and explains "The picture of me and Hillary Clinton was taken when she came to visit Iraq. I was actually ordered to shake her hand, and I never figured that my friends would circulate it all over the net. I AM NOT a Hillary fan by any stretch."


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4758 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 20):
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 14):
Where's the statement?

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hillary-soldier.htm

Quote:
After his discharge from the Army, the soldier posted a personal profile on Yahoo Personals as part of looking for introductions to single females.
In his profile, he includes the picture with Hillary and explains "The picture of me and Hillary Clinton was taken when she came to visit Iraq. I was actually ordered to shake her hand, and I never figured that my friends would circulate it all over the net. I AM NOT a Hillary fan by any stretch."

Thanks.


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

nice conspiracy theory.

Typical someone would say this. If it was a photo with Clinton, we'd have the same crap. If it was a photo with Bush, same thing. It's all just a bunch of conspiracy theory crap.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4735 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 9):
No matter what, Sen Clinton is still an elected official and is due all of the respect that the office holds.

That's not much. I respect my dog more than most of the crooks in Congress.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4697 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 23):
I respect my dog more than most of the crooks in Congress.

Perhaps, but in this instance, it is a question of maturity and civility.


25 Post contains images OU812 : Can you blame him or anyone else . She's doing the same to him & the rest of the US public !
26 UH60FtRucker : Well yes... yes you can blame him. Read: and: -UH60
27 Post contains links OU812 : Well , what can I say . You guys are far better than most , without a doubt . However, who are the ones doing the criticizing ? Douchbag politicians
28 IAH777 : Please take the time to read the entire post. Remember: Redundancy is just needless, repetetive repetition.
29 Halls120 : If the soldier in question wasn't forced or coerced into the photo op, I would agree with you. But after a 21+ year military career in which we were
30 Dtwclipper : Thanks Halls, UH already corrected me on this....
31 Post contains images Halls120 : yeah, those damn active duty youngsters, always trying to be first...
32 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : Yeah, those damn old crusty vets, never reading the entire thread prior to sounding off. -UH60[Edited 2006-11-14 02:28:07]
33 Glydrflyr : Back when Clinton was President, I was watching a news program with a friend of mine, a former Marine Captain, of Clinton walking up to Marine 1 and b
34 Post contains images Halls120 :
35 Scamp : I agree! It was an EXTREMELY rude thing to do. I'm quite sure there are plenty of soldiers, sailors, or airmen out there who would be more than happy
36 Post contains images Mdsh00 : I like how you picked only Democrat politicians.
37 Itsjustme : I seem to remember this story going around and it was proven as unsubstantiated. Maybe you can dig around for some type of source (rather than hearsa
38 Post contains images ANCFlyer : The photo is years old, it's been posted here before. And such an order can be legally refused as it has no bearing on the mission and is - essentiall
39 Post contains links MUWarriors : Gotta love Snopes
40 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Nothing says I support the troops like Hillary's fake grin and robotic gesture: "look at me I love the troops!" Just like a few years ago I was at a s
41 Post contains links OU812 : Unfortunately , It appears only dems make such comments . If you have any evidence of Conservative/republicans making such anti-military comments , p
42 OU812 : Dtwclipper, What are your feelings toward these members of congress [which I have provided above] who have made the most horrendous & false statement
43 Itsjustme : I find it equally despicable as the gesture the soldier is making in the picture with Sen. Clinton. Now, a question for you: What do you think of a C
44 Post contains images MDorBust : But he's the POTUS, so you smile and nod. Then once you're out of the service you do a tell all expose about it.
45 Dtwclipper : None what so ever. This is not a thread about what you want to interject, ie: your views on members of congress, but rather on the actions of a singl
46 OU812 : Equally ? How in the world can you find the moral equivalency in what this soldier did to cancel out the photo with Hilary to what these a-hole congr
47 Dtwclipper : No, it is not. It is my way of not letting you hijack this thread. Again: If you feel the need to talk about my feelings about members of congress, s
48 BigOrange : I think it's despicable that anyone in a high position, whether civil or military should insist on scripted questions, or for that matter insist on a
49 Jaysit : Oh well, she got what she deserved. When politicians make dumb judgment calls or have the tables turned on them, no point in crying over their foibles
50 OU812 : Wrong ! You have a right to say what you wish regarding the soldier . And I have a right to defend him . What are you a communists ? Get off your hig
51 Post contains images Dtwclipper : Yeah, that's it, 'cause I won't get into a debate with you in this thread about an unrelated topic, I'm a red! I told you many times before OU, I gav
52 Itsjustme : Geez OU812, you are just hell bent on hijacking this thread, aren't you? If you want to talk about what " these a-hole congressmen said about our tro
53 UH60FtRucker : I agree. OU812, you have both conservative and liberal members asking you to quit the bullshit. I know you're knew to A.net... but seriously dude, wh
54 Post contains images OU812 : I disagree , As I stated before . If people are going make negative comments [which is their right] towards this soldier . I as well , have the right
55 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : Ugghh. No one is saying you can't criticize politicians such as John Kerry, John Murtha, and company!!!! All we're saying is: START A DIFFERENT THREA
56 Itsjustme : Hurt??? Me thinks he enjoyed it.
57 Post contains images Mir : Very true. -Mir
58 TedTAce : Can someone post the 'owned' pic of the boy with the shaved head? I think that will fit OU812 very nicely right about now.
59 Post contains images OU812 : UH60FtRucker , Sorry your took so much time out of your life to attempt to debunk my right to free speech , something of which you & others are attemp
60 Post contains images Dtwclipper : No one is denying you anything.             Here are some ideas for new threads: And the Best of all, OU812 disrespects our troops! [Edited 2
61 Itsjustme : Dude, seriously - consider some sort of remedial schooling in reading comprehension. No one is condoning the comments some of our congress men and wo
62 MDorBust : Let's get some thing straight OU812. From my previous comments in this thread I obviously think Hillary was out of line and got what she had coming.
63 Thetuna : Funny how this whole thread has been hijacked by two posters.
64 Post contains images Dtwclipper : Who me?
65 Thetuna : No, I only ment it as a joke.
66 Post contains images Mir : So let me get this straight. You claim to be a supporter and defender of the troops, but when one of those troops says something you don't like, you
67 OU812 : I respect your opinion & appreciate you being able to express it in a civil manner . Many peoples line of thought in this thread is simply one dimens
68 OU812 : Please show me where I stated that ! We have a disagreement ! I am attempting to share my point of view . Why am I not allowed to do so ?
69 Dtwclipper : Here you go sweetie, directed at UH60FtRucker in your own words:
70 Mir : Where did somebody tell you that you couldn't share your point of view? -Mir
71 Post contains images OU812 : Oh Mr Elite Liberal you disappoint me . The statement is what it is . Me expressing my point of view . There is no insult nor mention of UH60FtRucker
72 Dtwclipper : Life is sooo full of disappointments isn't it? Well, it came across that way to a number of folks.
73 N1120A : First, Airliners.net is a private business entity. Johan (and his agents, namely the moderators) can debunk your speech any time you want, because yo
74 Mir : Your point of view being that it appears to you that UH60 and others willingly allow the military to be dumped on. I find that point of view to be in
75 OU812 : I have thanked UH60 for his service & shared my appreciation for his efforts on the war on terror . However , I have a right to express my opinion .
76 Post contains images Rolfen : Well you just blew it I'm gonna make sure to tell my terrorist friends about this.
77 UH60FtRucker : OU812, I'm sorry you want an apology for Reply#55, but you will receive nothing of the sort. You were slapped down rather hard by numerous members, in
78 Post contains images OU812 : UH60FtRucker, I attempted to pull you a side to confront you one on one . However , you continue to be ambivalent ! Your service to this nation is adm
79 MDorBust : Woah there silver. You need a serious mirror induced reality check. Take a breather, and possibly a beer or two and come back to the thread later.
80 OU812 : If you think that reply 55 was warranted , you my friend are the one who needs a reality check !
81 Post contains images ANCFlyer : This is offensive to you? What are you, 12 years old? I think the LawnDartDriver did quite well in reply 55, thank you. And I can be certain that som
82 Post contains images Dtwclipper : Huh? Pampas? I've heard UH60FtRucker called a lot of things, but a flat, fertile plain that covers an area of 300,000 sq. miles from the Atlantic Oce
83 UH60FtRucker : None of those quotes had any relevance to this thread, and only served to derail it. All you had to do was start a new thread. Had you done so, you c
84 Post contains images OU812 : UH60FtRucker, I'm at a disadvantage here & must hold back a great deal , since the person I am trying to debate is a person protecting my way of life
85 Post contains images N1120A : What the hell? Where do you get off man? He can be a critic of that soldier because paid an extreme disrespect to a United States Senator. If I had t
86 Post contains images ANCFlyer : UO812 . . . you know, ArtieFluffer is the type here that gives Liberals a bad name, really . . . And YOU are the type here that does the same for Cons
87 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : I think it's obvious we're spinning our wheels with you, OU812. Numerous people have been responding to you, but while you've been focusing only on m
88 Post contains images Continental : Looks like the question has been answered, many good things (and bad) discussed. I myself learned a few new things from this thread, but it's time to
89 Post contains images David L : I tried to drop some hints to that effect a couple of days ago but you guys have more tenacity. Not only was this soldier (the subject of the thread,
90 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : an ex hippie? Is not like she's mother theresa or some icon. Yes your not supposed to disrespect anyone but hey just because you like her doesnt mean
91 N1120A : Saying he was being coerced like a POW is a major sign of disrespect. Further, she is a duly elected United States Senator, a position which entitles
92 MIAMIx707 : To you she's very honorable just because the position she is in, that's what you're saying. By the same logic you should praise Ahmadinejad and call
93 N1120A : No, I am saying she commands respect because the People of the State of New York elected her to one of the three branches of the US government. As mu
94 MIAMIx707 : I don't know, maybe you should e-mail him yourself? You might also want to e-mail "the Honorable Hillary Rodham Clinton" and other Democrats why they
95 Braybuddy : Hmmmm . . . doesn´t a soldier have the right to decline a photo op he doesn´t approve of politically? What sort of backbone has a soldier who doesn
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