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Elton John: I Would Ban Religion Completely  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

ELTON JOHN: 'I WOULD BAN RELIGION COMPLETELY' (Sat Nov 11 2006 15:42:55 ET)

Excerpt:

*Interview with Observer Music Monthly Magazine
*Religion lacked compassion and turns people into hatred
*People too busy blogging to protest current status, should take it on to the street to get their voice heard for real
*Religion promotes hatred and spite against gays
*As per Elton John's view : I would ban religion completely

Quote:
"Organised religion doesn't seem to work. It turns people into really hateful lemmings and it's not really compassionate."

*Question where are the leaders of each religion when the world is near escalation to WWIII

Quote:
"It's like the peace movement in the Sixties. Musicians got through to people by getting out there and doing peace concerts but we don't seem to do them any more.

"If John Lennon were alive today he'd be leading it with a vengeance," he said.


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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Halloween costume gone wrong, or Elton John? You decide.



User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

That is okay, Elton. You can counteract those that want to ban homosexuality, and all of you can look like idiots together.


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

It's an interesting approach. Complain about intolerance by being intolerant.  scratchchin 


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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

So much for tolerance. If you disagree with me position, you are to be banned

User currently offlineCharger From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Is anyone else getting sick of these loud mouths that want to ban anything that goes against their views?

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
So much for tolerance. If you disagree with me position, you are to be banned

May I be the first to congratulate you on your new position as Moderator.... Big grin  duck 



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11708 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Am I perhaps the only one who sees it this way; fading celebrity and music man seeks publicity for his albums and public image, so goes and gets a load of attention by saying something really outrageous  Yeah sure All free publicity too, so saves him a fortune in advertising.

Dan Smile



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Is he not dead yet?


One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
Am I perhaps the only one who sees it this way;

Nope, I think you hit it on the head. As much as I admire him as a musician, I really wish he'd just stick to his music.



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

My take on tolerance....

From the internet...

"And finally, to Rob in Albany who felt my aside was proof of my intolerance and hypocrisy: Joking about Christianity isn't evidence that I'm intolerant—hell, I'm perfectly willing to tolerate Christians. I have never, for instance, attempted to prevent Christians from marrying each other, or tried to stop them from adopting children, or worked to make it illegal for them to hold certain jobs. I don't threaten to boycott companies that market their products to Christians, and I don't organize letter-writing campaigns to complain about Christian characters on television.

It would indeed be hypocritical for me to complain about fundamentalist Christians who've done all of the above to gay people if I turned around and did the same thing to Christians—but, again, I've done no such thing. Intolerant? Hell, I'm a model of tolerance

GS



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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Quoting Charger (Reply 5):
Is anyone else getting sick of these loud mouths that want to ban anything that goes against their views?

Does "these" include everyone else that whinges, whines, moans and groans about what doesn't suit them and their viewpoints as well?



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
: I would ban religion completely

Ceteris paribus, banning religion would solve a lot more problems than banning gay marriage.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
banning religion would solve a lot more problems than banning gay marriage.

Banning gay marriage won't/hasn't solved a single problem, but as much as I hate to defend organized religion, banning it would create far more problems than it would solve. Look at Islam, they've built up a mentality of persecution, and now a small group within Islam use it to justify their violent actions. Ban religion outright, and those that are most deeply beholden to the concept become martyrs and crusaders for their faith.

Quite frankly, if religion gives someone peace and solace, more power to them. What needs to be banned is religions influence in the public sector. Then they can worship and have whatever faith bests supports them, but their faith doesn't impact my life.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Does he have a new album coming out soon? There must be a reason for the rant.

Why are we even bothering listening to the blowhardy words of an angry old queen? Like my mama always said...Opinions from folks are like assholes...everyone has them and they usually stink. (ok, not really my mama but you get the idea.)

Quoting Banco (Reply 3):
It's an interesting approach. Complain about intolerance by being intolerant.

But it's okay if you're the one being intolerant. It's all those other folks for (insert cause, religion, etc. here) that need to shut up.  Wink



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User currently offlineBwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Well, lets just say that religion wasn't exactly Gods gift to mankind...

 Wink


For me, religion is a human invention, something people invented to explain the unexplainable.

And it got badly out of hand.

Still, banning it now would be unrealistic. We're stuck with religion and we'll have to accept that. I do agree with Searpqx if he says that religion should be banned from having an influence in the public sector. Everybody can have his own conviction, but when I hear a president say "May God bless our country", it just feels very scary to me.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 1):
Halloween costume gone wrong, or Elton John? You decide.

Worthless deflection.

Quoting Banco (Reply 3):
It's an interesting approach. Complain about intolerance by being intolerant.

Well, until Elton John starts leading a crusade to ban strait marriage I think you're applying somewhat disproportionate condemnation here.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
So much for tolerance. If you disagree with me position, you are to be banned

See my comment above.

Quoting Charger (Reply 5):
Is anyone else getting sick of these loud mouths that want to ban anything that goes against their views?

You mean like Rush Limbaugh? Now that's a fight I could actually get behind. Elton John, not so much.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 7):
Am I perhaps the only one who sees it this way; fading celebrity and music man seeks publicity for his albums and public image, so goes and gets a load of attention by saying something really outrageous Yeah sure All free publicity too, so saves him a fortune in advertising.

Funny how you left out how much organized religion rakes in every year. I wonder why you don’t also suspect them of manipulating their followers as well. Care to explain why only one side is motivated by avarice in your mind?

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 8):
Is he not dead yet?

Worthless deflection.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
Nope, I think you hit it on the head. As much as I admire him as a musician, I really wish he'd just stick to his music.

Just like I wish Rush Limbaugh would just stick to his… what is it he actually does again?

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14):
Does he have a new album coming out soon? There must be a reason for the rant.

See my comment directed towards PlymSpotter.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2199 times:

Good old SATX...making an ass of yourself again. The point is that Elton John is railing against intolerance by being intolerant himself by calling for the banishment of religion. What a pompous ass he is with that comment.

Who really gives a rat's ass if Rush is intolerant...he's not the subject anywhere in this thread until your sorry excuse for reasoning came along.

Is Rush a pompous ass? Of course he is but he doesn't try to come off as kind and gentle and tolerant just as the liberals he counters do towards conservatives.

Does religion manipulate their followers? Depends upon what side you fall on but we know your disdain is quite evident by your comments that denigrate anyone who is religious with your generalization.

Oh wait, I don't have a constructive comment so I must resort to attacking the messenger. Run along and cry into your organic granola cereal about the impending doom of the environment within 10 years just because "Owl" Gore said it was so in his PowerPoint presentation.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
Good old SATX...making an ass of yourself again. What a pompous ass he is with that comment.

You've already demonstrated again and again that anybody who dares to challenge your right-wing-wisdom on this site is an "ass" in your eyes. It's a good thing I don't take your endless anti-liberal demonizing too seriously.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
The point is that Elton John is railing against intolerance by being intolerant himself by calling for the banishment of religion.

While that is certainly a possible interpretation, Elton John would still have to start a massive and continuous campaign geared toward restricting the inalienable rights of religious folks before he would deserve anything close to an equal helping of condemnation. I guess your black-and-white view of the world simply can't separate these two developments. As it is, he's simply expressing the view that organized religion can't seem to live up to their own high standards and we'd be better off without them. Considering how intolerant and hypocritical the American Bible Belt has shown itself to be over and over again, and taking into account how the most tolerant communities in America seem to also be some of the least religious I think Elton John just might be on to something here.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
Who really gives a rat's ass if Rush is intolerant...he's not the subject anywhere in this thread until your sorry excuse for reasoning came along.

Once again, you can't deny the obvious so you simply stoop to attacking the messenger. Good work.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
Is Rush a pompous ass? Of course he is but he doesn't try to come off as kind and gentle and tolerant just as the liberals he counters do towards conservatives.

What was that about a sorry excuse for reasoning? This has to be the most illogical and poorly articulated explanation for Rush's nonsense as I've ever heard.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
Oh wait, I don't have a constructive comment so I must resort to attacking the messenger. Run along and cry into your organic granola cereal about the impending doom of the environment within 10 years just because "Owl" Gore said it was so in his PowerPoint presentation.

It's just too bad that you're apparently blind to the fact that this comment better describes your own posts than it describes mine.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 18):
You've already demonstrated again and again that anybody who dares to challenge your right-wing-wisdom on this site is an "ass" in your eyes.

Not at all. I believe I am pretty moderate compared to both the right and left wings. You on the other hand get my disdain because I really just can't tolerate stupidity. You make me laugh and that's a good thing. It's almost as if you want to get ridiculed as some sort of martyr. Have a good night there in the Bible Belt that you despise so much.



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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2167 times:

Elton John: talented musician. That's about as deep as he gets. And only as far as he should get.

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11708 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 16):
Funny how you left out how much organized religion rakes in every year. I wonder why you don't also suspect them of manipulating their followers as well. Care to explain why only one side is motivated by avarice in your mind?

Well he wouldn't have been the first high profile celebrity to have done such a thing would he? In many cases the avarice of particular religious entities is only surpassed by the unrivaled idiocy of those who are contributing the donations. I'm lost for words in many cases, especially at the level of blatant corruption in some countries, but as a by-passer of the mainstream religions I would hazard a guess that it's a combination of still being God-fearing coupled with a hefty dose of naivety. If, as a congregation in a poor African country you are asked for increasingly sizable donations, and then the priest/viccar/leader of the congregation turns up in a brand new Mercedes, then I personally would question where my money has disappeared to, obviously others out there don't. So essentially, SATX, yes I do feel that some churches may manipulate their followers, but I considering that I was talking about Elton John, I didn't think I'd bring that into it.

Dan Smile



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3093 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2148 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
Religion promotes hatred and spite against gays

But when some gays start calling Bush,Hitler, which has been expressed here,then I begin to wonder about gays political standing and should start to be questioned as to be very extreme.

John owes an apology.Very sad.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
So much for tolerance. If you disagree with me position, you are to be banned

That's as wrong.Ban John music instead.



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2128 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
I believe I am pretty moderate compared to both the right and left wings.

Believing it doesn't make it so. At least I'm honest about being a left winger. Maybe some day you'll have the guts to admit you're still just a run-of-the-mill right winger whenever push comes to shove.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
You on the other hand get my disdain because I really just can't tolerate stupidity.

It's just too bad that doesn't prevent you from lowering yourself to the level you claim I'm operating at.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 19):
You make me laugh and that's a good thing. It's almost as if you want to get ridiculed as some sort of martyr. Have a good night there in the Bible Belt that you despise so much.

Oh, it's not so bad; they pay me good money and nearly everything is dirt cheap here. Now that the Democrats are back in control I'll be sleeping nice and easy again, but thanks for caring.



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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Quoting SATX (Reply 23):
Now that the Democrats are back in control I'll be sleeping nice and easy again,

Since you said that, will you be saying this . . .

Quoting SATX (Reply 23):
Oh, it's not so bad; they pay me good money and nearly everything is dirt cheap here.

. . . once they start rolling back tax cuts?


25 SATX : I don't live check to check and I try not to sweat the small stuff. Seriously, I won't lose any sleep over a tax increase, big or small. Knowing that
26 Post contains images Boeing4ever : And those who do live check to check??????? Nice to see your compassion eh? B4e-Forever New Frontiers
27 Post contains links 767Lover : SATX, you obviously didn't see the thread where DeltaGator speaks in support of gay marriage. AZ First State Not To Pass Gay Marriage Ammendment (by
28 Post contains images Boeing4ever : It doesn't matter. If you don't cowtow to his ideology, you're a right winger. His world is truly black and white. B4e-Forever New Frontiers
29 SATX : Well, since I have no problem with my tax dollars going to help those who are truly in need I'm not sure why you think I'm lacking any compassion. Al
30 Post contains images Halcyon : Whoop! Elton John shows me something about christianity and religion. It's all well and good he thinks that, but I'm not sure why it's such big news.
31 Post contains images Boeing4ever : I'm pretty sure those people would rather have more of their income to use rather than wait for handouts from Uncle Sam. April 15th is a painful time
32 767Lover : Yes, there seems to be a lot of that going around!
33 SATX : Supporting gay marriage (to say nothing of actually voting for it) doesn't make you a moderate. I happen to be financially conservative myself, but t
34 767Lover : Oh, this is a PERSONAL attack then. Thanks for clarifying. I'm sorry your life is so miserable. Maybe you'll soon find work in a place you like bette
35 DeltaGator : Just for your FYI (though I know you won't care since it doesn't fit your opinion of me) I know that support of one issue doesn't make me a moderate.
36 AerospaceFan : Why should the fate of religion be determined by whether hatred or spite is allegedly promoted against gays? Suppose that religion -- for the sake of
37 Cornish : Ah another Elton John hissy fit. Why does everybody think he speaks for gay people everywhere ? Plenty of churches where gay people are welcome. Plent
38 Dougloid : Tax policy's a little more complicated than that. Rich folks have always found ways to get around taxes, which partially explains why they're rich fo
39 Post contains images BigOrange : Religion is just a crock of horse s**t made up by people who wish to impose their views on other people.
40 Post contains images Halcyon : Sweeping generalizations aside, that's really quite bigoted of you. However, I'm sure your intent was to be humble in your hope of wiping out such a
41 BigOrange : No irony. I was just stating my opinion, not trying to impose it on other people.
42 Post contains images Halcyon : Oh, so sorry. When I see the phrase "I would" it implies to me that, if you were in a position of power where you could do something, you WOULD do th
43 Dougloid : Well, if I've got to listen to some insufferable moron like Elton John tell me what to think about what to think, (assuming that I think about it at a
44 MDorBust : Isn't the First Amendment great. So great in fact that they made the Second Amendment to protect the first. Tough nuts Elton. And no SATX, it wasn't a
45 Post contains images Redngold : How about we just ban Elton John and forget about his music after, say... 1988 (or whenever he wrote the first Candle in the Wind)? That would solve a
46 Post contains images Boeing4ever : LOL. Wow. Ok, if you're so certain, by all means, please demonstrate with specifics how my world is narrow minded. This should be interesting. You'll
47 AerospaceFan : To me, one problem with some fans of Elton John is that they seem to have short memories. It wasn't that long ago that Mr. John seemed to have thrown
48 Greasespot : Would you also support slavery if the benifits out weighed the negative? I mean there was a time when people used the bible to justify owning slaves.
49 AerospaceFan : It's a matter of degree, Greasespot. I hardly think that the failure of gays to be able to marry is comparable to slavery.
50 Greasespot : That depends on if your Gay or not. All depends on which side of the discrimination you are sitting on... Up here a human right is a human right....I
51 Redngold : Why should we accept Gays trying to force THEIR opinions on the rest of us? Why don't you think a little about what you and Sir Elton John are propos
52 Roger136913 : Well said!!!!
53 SATX : & "Evil corporate warmongering uber-conservative?" Talk about ignoring the facts, you just took the cake. I said "run of the mill" and you turned it
54 Post contains images Jetmatt777 : Both
55 Shinkai : religion has always been an integral part of mankind's history - from the ancient worship of Zeus to the modern day, much publicised Scientology. base
56 SATX : Scientific theory is based on the scientific method. What is religion based on?
57 Post contains images Halcyon : Not what Elton says! Lucas
58 Post contains images Boeing4ever : And your arguments come from where? You take a parting shot and then flee. Fantastic. If this is all you have left, so be it. B4e-Forever New Frontie
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