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Why Is Underage Drinking Tolerated?  
User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

This is something that has been on my mind for awhile now, and Id like to know what everyone elses view on it is. As a college student im around things like alcohol alot. Im not a drinker at all and at 19 I shouldn't be. But why is it that kids in high school and younger college students find it "cool" and socially acceptable to go out and get pissed up for the sake of getting, well pissed up. I think it is just stupid.

Most of my friends share the same view as me and dont drink at all. It is not that I think alcohol is wrong. Im just going by how I was raised. Alcohol is an adults beverage and thats it. In my family drinking is considered a beer or two on a friday night by my dad. Or if we are at a family get together my mom will have wine. Same with the rest of my family. But now it seems that to kids its ok to drink just to. And that to me isnt right. Also most are just dumb because then they do stupid crap like drive while pissed up.

So what's your take?


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User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2867 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Well being a senior in high school I can tell you I'm very out of the drinking norm. I have no desire to drink just to get drunk and pass out. Sure it can be fun, but not with a ton of irresponsible teens that don't know when how much is enough. I have many friends go to the hospital due to alcohol poisoning. That is a situation I do NOT want to be in.

I think that underage drinking shouldn't be tolerated, but I do feel having the celebratory champagne at New Years or for a special occasion isn't bad at all, but the drinking to drink is pretty bogus. Even after you turn 21 (or the legal age anywhere), drinking should be responsible. But, I must say, I'm not over 21, so my judgment may be a little bit skewed.



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9910 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3034 times:
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Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
But why is it that kids in high school and younger college students find it "cool" and socially acceptable to go out and get pissed up for the sake of getting, well pissed up. I think it is just stupid.

I can only speak for myself. I started drinking when I was 16 or 17. Originally tried it just out of sheer curiousity, but found that I enjoyed it immensely, as did my friends.

Moral of the story is that I drank because I enjoyed it a lot. Some of my best memories are from drunken nights. Sounds funny when you say it that way....

My parents are also extremely light drinkers, and they have absolutely no conception of how much some folks drink.

I don't drink anymore, because it actually turned into a problem for me, but I know that's my own experience, and does not necessarily apply to everyone else. I think that underage drinking is pretty much something that's unavoidable; but I'm all for stiff penalties for drunk driving and such (I was lucky enough that I never got caught when I used to drink and drive, as stupid as it was).

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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Here's my point of view.

I'm 21 now, well over the legal age of 19 in Canada, however, I started drinking at around 14 or 15, not too much. I didn't do it to get piss drunk, but because it was a small way of being deviant, it felt risky, it made us feel like we were risk takers, and we knew that if we were caught it was no big deal, we drank, but we stayed clear of drugs, because we knew that those consequences were much tighter.

I personally don't think it should be tolerated, and if the police catch you, everyone gets some sort of fine, I figured that this is what would happen to me if I was ever caught. If I had kids I would never encourage them to do it, but I'd make it known to them, that if they did, be safe about it, don't walk home ripped, but rather stay at a friends house. My parents were never in favor of it, but realized that most of the kids my age did it, they never bought it for me, but as long as I was safe, and didn't do it around them there was rarely a problem.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11638 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

I don't have an issue with underage drinking, so long as it's in moderation. The way I have been brought up, along with everybody else in my family, is that from a fairly young age I was allowed to have some wine with meals, etc... building up to being able to have pretty much whatever I wanted whenever I wanted it by the time I was about 17. The idea in doing this was so that when I passed the legal drinking age, alcohol wouldn't be such a novelty, and that I wouldn't feel the need to go out and get drunk all of a sudden, I think its worked too because I haven't.

I agree with you that it's unacceptable for kids of 13 to be rolling drunk, out on the streets hanging around with their mates who are equally pissed because they just cannot handle it and have no responsibility, let alone a clue what's going on after they have had a few. They then they inevitably go on to cause trouble; pointless vandalism, getting into drunken brawls and the like. But, as much as it is their fault for consuming alcohol, I think its equally the fault of the shop owners who flaunt the rules and sell alcohol to underage teens, as well the adults who buy it for them whilst the kids wait outside the shop, knowing what will happen. Moderation and responsibility is key as far as I'm concerned.

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User currently offlinePlanecrazy2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

It is sad that kids just drink to get drunk. If that is your purpose for drinking you shouldn't. I started drinking when I was 15 or so and still do. I drink at home with a meal and just relax. Drinking is a part of our culture and I refuse to let some drunk out of their mind punk kids take that away from me. It makes me angry that at 18 I am not considered old enough to drink. Underage drinking should be tolerated for those who are actually responsible enough to handle it.

-Zach



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

I find it disturbing that student pilots, yes pilots of airplanes, can go out and get drunk the night before a flight, or even drink a few hours before flying. I am a college student, and I see it/hear about it like hell (some 80% of college students drink). I do not drink myself, nor have I or ever will.

Being drunk is a disgrace to me, and I believe drunkenness is not professional pilot material. Just a warning to student pilots (or any pilots) that drink; if the FAA finds out (through random testing), they will have a great time tearing up your certificate, and if you're employed, kiss your days as a pilot for hire goodbye.


User currently offlinePureKiwi From New Zealand, joined Feb 2006, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2942 times:

Im 14 and I can see where everyone is coming from, I drink about once a month and my family actualy let me drink to the point where I couldn't stand up. Most people will see this as a bad thing but it has actualy taught me how to control my alchohol and I probably wont end up with posioning or anything when im older. If these people followed the laws they will just be getting as bad as they are now later on in there life with more at risk e.g family, job, money

User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2933 times:

Kids see it as a way to rebel against their parents. There is also, peer pressuer and social stigmas of if your not getting drunk your not cool.

User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1283 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2919 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
Why Is Underage Drinking Tolerated?

Because the bar is set ridiculously high.

21... are you serious? You're telling me a person can be old enough to have driven, for half a decade, to have voted a couple of times, to have engaged in armed combat in a foreign country - but not old enough to understand the consequences of drinking to excess?  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineWalter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2911 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 9):
Because the bar is set ridiculously high.

21... are you serious? You're telling me a person can be old enough to have driven, for half a decade, to have voted a couple of times, to have engaged in armed combat in a foreign country - but not old enough to understand the consequences of drinking to excess?

if kids were brought up on how to control alcohol intake then there wouldn't be this problem. if it was lowered people would find out quicler that drinking heavily only makes you sick.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2908 times:

Quoting A346Dude (Reply 9):
Because the bar is set ridiculously high.

No. Its not. If you have seen the kids ive seen no age would be good enough for them. I understand cultural differences due to how kids are raised. But enough is enough. I go to class or visit my old hs and you got burnt out 15-18 year olds who are going to go to a community college for a week, say f it then im going to see them f up my order at McDonalds soon after. This needs to end.



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2910 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
Im not a drinker at all and at 19 I shouldn't be.



Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
kids in high school and younger college students find it "cool"



Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
I think it is just stupid.



Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
Alcohol is an adults beverage and thats it.



Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
drinking is considered a beer or two on a friday night by my dad.



Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
most are just dumb




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User currently offlineTrav110 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2909 times:

As a senior in high school, I see nothing wrong with drinking underage. My parents have no problem with me going out and drinking at parties or downtown, and they'll let my friends come over and drink provided they're safe (they'll take my friends keys). They know I'm responsible, and I won't drive drunk. I've got plenty of great memories while drunk, and it's just something I enjoy doing. While there are people who act foolishly, I'm not one of them. I see no point behind the 21 drinking age at all.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 11):
I go to class or visit my old hs and you got burnt out 15-18 year olds who are going to go to a community college for a week, say f it then im going to see them f up my order at McDonalds soon after. This needs to end.

That's a ridiculous generalization  Yeah sure I've got a 3.6 GPA, and I've been accepted into every college I've applied. I've worked at fast-food before, and I find that most people who aren't among the sharpest human beings are as such because of the way they were rasied. Their parents never went to school after they graduated, and they probably won't either.

[Edited 2006-11-15 04:50:22]

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2905 times:

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 12):

whatever



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2886 times:

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 13):
That's a ridiculous generalization

Wanna bet. Come to my city and I'll prove my point.

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 13):
I've worked at fast-food before,

So have I. But face is that im bettering myself so I dont turn into some wastecase. And kudos to you and your "3.6 gpa" and acceptance to all the schools you applied to...



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2867 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
get pissed up for the sake of getting, well pissed up.

Well here is the disconect.

Two points.

The first is it depends on where this is comming from. If you are talking about your stereotypical 'let's get drunk and screw' deal it's just blatant irresponsiblilty. There can be several factors involved not the least of which is being away from over controlling parents for the first time.

The second is you can get pissed drunk AND be responsible about it. Just because you see your drunkart peers drinking and driving and having un-protected sex doesn't mean that you have to do it like that. One of the best drinking experiences I have had was a 'fall down party' a friend of mine hosted. Drop your keys in a hat at the door; drink until you fall down; then wake up sober the next day and get your keys and go home.



That being said wether or not you choose to EVER drink is your call. But don't be so quick to judge other's actions unless you are attacking their irresponsible behaviour and not the catalyst thereof. Drinking is a respnsibility no MATTER what age you are. Some people can handle it, others can't.


User currently offlinePlanecrazy2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2856 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
Alcohol is an adults beverage and thats it.

Yeah, the same adults who get drunk and kill people behind the wheel. sarcastic  Why don't we just ban liquor all together again? Where do you draw the line? Why do you think that 21 is the age where you become responsible enough to drink? Are American citizens who pay taxes, vote and fight in wars not responsible enough?



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2856 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):

I find it really sad you feel the need to lecture us on how horrible under age drinking is. I'm sorry, but I have no problem with someone 17 or 18 drinking. I think at 14 it's WAY too young to be getting drunk regularly. I'd let my 14 year old try a beer to see if he likes it. I'd also make it clear that should I catch him/her drinking that young, they wouldn't see the light of day outside of going to school until they turned 18. I started drinking when I was 16. I didn't get drunk every night, or every weekend. In fact, before I turned 20 I never got so damn drunk I was puking.

Before you start lecture everyone about how horrible under age drinking is, think about how wrong it is to do so. If you want to have this lecture with your own kids, fine. But to impose that belief on all of us isn't cool. I'd get pissed if I caught my 16 year old drunk, but not as pissed if it was my 18 year old. My dad was cool with me when I was 20 and got plowed at a Thanksgiving party. He told me how much he didn't agree with that decision, but never punished me.


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2856 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
Most of my friends share the same view as me and dont drink at all.

I bet you guys are a blast to hang out with.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting Planecrazy2 (Reply 17):



Quoting S12PPL (Reply 18):

You are missing my point  sarcastic  Im not lecturing anyone. And I dont care if you do drink or not. The point I was trying to make was why do kids think its ok to get drunk just for the hell of it. If you want to its your bussiness. I just dont see a point, which is why I stay away from it.



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User currently offlineGSOShutout55 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 19):

Any bets as to the last time Cadet57 got laid? I'll start with never.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2829 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 19):
I bet you guys are a blast to hang out with.

What makes you say that? Because we dont drink? Want to know why I dont? I think it tastes like shit. So instead of being like most teenagers my friends and I dont go and drink, we go to parties and have a good time, but do it not drunk...

Quoting GSOShutout55 (Reply 21):
Any bets as to the last time Cadet57 got laid? I'll start with never.

Wow. You are a comedian!



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2829 times:

Quoting Trav110 (Reply 13):
As a senior in high school, I see nothing wrong with drinking underage. My parents have no problem with me going out and drinking at parties or downtown, and they'll let my friends come over and drink provided they're safe (they'll take my friends keys).

So you have no problem with breaking the law then, because that's exactly what you've just stated. Maybe the law is stupid. Maybe the drinking age should be lowered or abolished altogether like in some countries in Europe. I can see and understand both sides of that argument. In speech class this past week, we had two people both give speeches on each side of the argument, and both made valid points. But that certainly doesn't make it okay to break the law because you don't agree with it.

Personally, I don't drink for three reasons: A) It's illegal. B) I don't enjoy alcohol all that much anyway. C) I see what it does to people both while drinking and immediately following (being sick and driving drunk).

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 8):
Kids see it as a way to rebel against their parents.

   Reason numero uno right there.

Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):

Well, you can at least take some pride or assurance in knowing there is at least one other 19 year old college student who shares your views on drinking, be it underage or legal age.
Welcome to RU List.

[Edited 2006-11-15 05:26:37]

User currently offlinePlanecrazy2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2820 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 20):
why do kids think its ok to get drunk just for the hell of it.

Because they haven't reached the maturity level to know it's wrong. Setting 21 as the "maturity level" for everyone is inaccurate.



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25 Cadet57 : Then what do you propose? If teenagers arent mature enough and 21 isnt accurate. What does it need to be? Im not flaming you here, I really want to k
26 A346Dude : "Okay" is a subjective word. About all we can say is that it is illegal to break the law. If one is willing to face the consequences of breaking the
27 TedTAce : I don't get why the question doesn't answer itself...for the hell of it
28 Planecrazy2 : I believe the age should be set at 18 when you become a legal adult and are fully responsible for your own actions. I also believe that this is just
29 Cadet57 : Agreed. But you do agree with my point as well that the majority of those teens that would be legal to drink probably should not be.
30 N1120A : Complete agreement. The age of majority is 18 and that should also be the drinking age. Anyway, I don't drink, never have, but I have no problem with
31 Planecrazy2 : Yes I agree with you, but the key word is majority. Most are not mature enough, but there are some that are. I fully respect your opinion and your de
32 FlyDeltaJets87 : Well, I was using "okay" in that sense. However, I can't say I agree with the second part of your post. I can't say that I could look a parent in the
33 Mirrodie : funny posts. This is something that has been on my mind for awhile now, and Id like to know what everyone elses view on it is....were you actually so
34 Post contains images A346Dude : Haha, good point, but you are taking my argument to the extreme. I would question rather John really had accepted the consequences of his breaking th
35 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Yes, I know I took your argument to the extreme, mainly to because sometimes you have to that to get to people to acknowledge and respond to the poin
36 LooneyToon : i am drunk right now!!!! I totally want this girl who is in ROTC!!
37 Cba : Many legal adults in the US cannot drink. This is true of older adults as well, however. Alcoholics are alcoholics. Just because some people abuse al
38 Post contains images Cadet57 : Wow, the maturity level coming from a MODERATOR is astounding. This is brilliant!
39 TWISTEDWHISPER : So? Sex is an adult activity, that doesn't stop a number of 12, 13 and 14 year old girls to get knocked up. And I actually consider teenage pregancy
40 Vikkyvik : Which brings up a point I forgot to mention in my first post. How the hell do you avoid drinking in western MA??? There's nothing else to do! Well, I
41 LTBEWR : First of all, there is 2 levels of under aged drinking in the USA - 1) 18 and under; and 2) under 21. I will agree that due to parental involvement, r
42 L410Turbolet : Oh come on. If you can legally vote (and be elected?), smoke, become a father (mother) of 6, drive a car, get a gun and under certain circumstances e
43 JakeOrion : Cadet57, I applaud your stance on your underage drinking issue, kudos! With that said, I was a victim of alcohol myself, and let me explain. When I wa
44 L410Turbolet : Never date a b*tch whose daddy is a lawyer?
45 Linco22 : Sorry i'm late in adding this. Before I start i'll make it clear i'm 24 years old. I would say that drinking is so accessible to anyone. When I was 17
46 JBirdAV8r : Well, here's a little bit of personal testimony for what it's worth. I'm 22 years old. I've had two drinks in my entire life; both were after I turned
47 Post contains images S12PPL :
48 Post contains images Cadet57 : You do have a point... Which is why Im moving to Boston That... Sucks dude. Very well said dude.
49 Falstaff : It is tolerated because most people drank when they were in their teens. I did it, my parents did it and my grand parents did it. Many people look at
50 Post contains images CasInterest : Drinking in the teens should be tolerated and allowed. People aren't just given a car these days, it takes training and practive to get a full license
51 Post contains images JakeOrion : Well....THAT and drinking irresponsibly.
52 Post contains images Jcs17 : Great! Hahaha! If this thread doesn't show a disconnect between your average a.netter and your average 18-23 year old I don't know what does. I start
53 Ihadapheo : Danger old man rambling ahead (err below) When I was but a young chimp the legal age in New York State was 18. I started going out to bars just before
54 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Why Is Underage Drinking Tolerated? Well, our "government" is too soft to do anything about it. Well infact, too lazy to tackle anything The cost of l
55 LOT767-300ER : I started drinking when I was maybe 12/13 and Wyborowa Wodka and up maybe when I was 15 years old. I really couldnt drink much here at half the partie
56 Captaingomes : There is a distinction here that I didn't see in the thread, which I feel is missing. Underage drinking to a point where you get completely smashed, e
57 YWG : You should come to Manitoba, the legal age here is 18 which is why on "American Spring Break" our bars are packed with ND and MN university boys and
58 FlyDeltaJets87 : Then the argument turns to defining the line between what is acceptable and what is not. What amount is enough? One beer? Two beers? Four beers? On t
59 L410Turbolet : I think the impossibility to be able to do the latter could be reason for the former. At least that was my observation during my high school exchange
60 BA787 : All mates are fourteen and they get pissed outta their skulls every friday and saturday, in Oakworth Park (Capital146 ll no where I mean). I don't as
61 Falstaff : I couldn't agree more. I have friends who think I am crazy for drinking heavy beers because I like the flavor. Light beer is for wimps. Even when I w
62 IFEMaster : I have no problem with drinking underage. I was 8 when I first got drunk. I was 14 when I first puked from alcohol. 15 when I first passed out. 17 whe
63 Bagpiper : I agree with Cadet57 (thread starter).
64 Post contains links Oly720man : There's a programme about drinking on the BBC on Sunday night http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6156026.stm A binger's story http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h
65 PHLBOS : Actually, up until the XXVI Amendment of the U.S. Constitution was passed in 1971; the minimum voting age was 21. Around the same time-frame, many st
66 Post contains images Mirrodie : aw, c'mon now, it's a legitimate question left unanswered. There is no need to think that it's an attack or even insinuation. After all, the brillian
67 Vikkyvik : I would not bitch about the ticket. I'm well aware that I speed, and that technically, it's against the law. Speaking of which, I have a feeling I go
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