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Zune Vs. IPod  
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

So Microsoft has relased its so-called "iPod Killer"...Zune (who thought up this name).

I have been reading reviews all morning and so far....

CNN...ripped it apart and Miles O'Brien actually said "Why don't they get som good designers who can make a stylish product". The Co-anchor pulled out a new iPod Shuffle and they just praised it.

CNN Money actually said that the WiFi option is useless at this point and you still have to know the person you are going to share with. (you have to ask them first to share songs.)

Reuters...reported that first sales are slow. Virgin Megastore in NYC sold virtually none. Bestbuy sold a few.

USA Today..."Its no iPod".

Engadget..."Microsoft launches the Zune, world keeps on turnin"...ouch.

Microsoft says this is just the beginning and that they will release a whole family of products.

Just a little compare.
iPod


  • Works with iTunes (Mac and PC)
    device works with Mac and PC
  • iTunes provides music, audiobooks, TV shows, Movies, Music videos, podcasts, games
  • Support photos, calanders, addressbook, clock, stopwatch
  • Supports MP3 and m4a formats
    only iPods can work directly with iTunes.
  • Comes in multiple sizes and styles (Shuffle, Nano, iPod)


Zune

  • Works with Zune Marketplace (PC only)
  • Device works only with PCs
  • Has built in radio (if you still listen to one anymore)
  • Has built in WiFi for sharing music with other Zune users.
  • Only songs downloaded from Zune Marketplace can be shared.
  • Shared songs can be listened to 3 times.
  • One must read the file details before it can be shared. Some groups and companies did not want the music shared and will not allow it.
  • Zune Marketplace has limited music, no video, no podcasts...zunecasts?, no audiobooks, no album art
  • Supports wma files and MP3s
  • Does not support any files downloaded through previous MS agreements with Napster and played in Media Player. That is, any song purchased through other services cannot be played on a Zune or in Zune Marketplace.
  • Battery length same as iPod
  • Size similar to iPod but weighs more
  • Pictures shown in horizontal mode. When in Horizontal mode the commands for the controlers also change (right becomes up etc).
  • Menus system allows a person to scroll through songs lists quickly with a large letter popping up to let you know where you are.
  • can set a desktop picture. (menu works above desktop picture)
  • larger screen than iPod
  • First of what Microsoft says will be a family of new products.


These are all things noted from sites
So...what are your opinions, will you buy a Zune? Is Zune an iPod Killer?


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
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User currently offlineUnoflygirl From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

I bet people will still use iPods. The fact that the iPod works on both operating systems might be more desirable for people. Plus, iPod is a cooler name than Zune! :-P


"I'm not anxious to die...just anxious to matter"
User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Zune. From the folks who brought you Microsoft Bob.

Blech.



User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Centrair, you omitted some facts, you might want to check: http://www.zune.net/en-us/meetzune/device.htm

I'm buying a Zune Next Tuesday.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 2):
From the folks who brought you Microsoft Bob.

...And Windows ME! Oh the joy.



How about a screenshot!  bigthumbsup 




Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21411 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Another major difference:

• iPod uses a scroll wheel to quickly and precisley navigate even extensive lists.

• Zune merely pretends to have a scroll wheel as well - but it is only a cheap four-way button, not a scroll wheel as one might think at first glance.

Makes a world of difference in practice.

And here's the kicker:

AppleInsider | Zune incompatible with Windows Vista

Quote:
Though seemingly implausible, the screenshot below tells the story (while raising some questions at the same time).

"This operating system is currently not supported by Zune," reads an error message when trying to install Zune software on the latest versions of Microsoft's own Windows Vista operating system.

In an official Zune support document, Microsoft, which will begin selling Vista to business customers in two weeks, confirms that the system "is not supported at this time."



They really know how to make people trust in their general competence...!  crazy 


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Makes a world of difference in practice.

Probably

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
They really know how to make people trust in their general competence...!

Ummmm no..

Your illustration omits the possibility(probability) that the device is natively supported by Vista and the code you are using as an example was written explicitly for pre-vista OS's. YET another possibility is that it's just a bad pre-install environment check for that installer. I'll go dimes to dollars that if you can get the software in place witthout the installer it will work. Hell even Pirch98 runs on my Vista box w/out any problems.

And lest you forget...
A) Vista is not going to end users before Janurary 30th LEGALLY. Almost 3 months is a LONG time to correct the issue
B) I know of no corporate IT department that supports ANY MP3 device on corporate boxes.


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3006 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

I'm definitely going to get a Zune, but I'm going to wait for teh future generations. As with all products, the 1st generation is DEFINITELY going to have many flaws. No doubt about it.
Generally, I oppose Ipods because I don't like being part of the hype. I don't like when everyone has the same things on the street. That's why I have a Creative Zen and am very, very happy with it. By the time the future Zune generations come out, it will be time for me to get a replacement.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3):
you omitted some facts,

Yes I guess I did. Not intentionally though. I didn't realize it supports ACC formats. Otherwise I am not sure what I omitted.
Many of the statements are simplified.

Add to Zune

  • Zune supports jpg pictures
  • supports wma, mp3 and acc formats including .mov
  • English only
  • WiFi range up to 30 feet (meaning after you talk to the person you are going to share with, you can then walk 30 feet away and get the song.)
  • Zune software can automatically import your existing files, including your music and video from iTunes® and Windows Media® (however on the Microsoft Zune Software support page:The Zune software will not play DRM-protected content from other music stores such as the MSN Music Store.)
  • Zune works with Xbox™ 360! Access media right in the Xbox dashboard, or listen to music while playing games.


some bits from zune website

Add to iPod

  • supports multiple language out of the box. All iPods can be updated regardless of language...meaning less money in development.
  • does not support wma format or wmv format


Now that I have said this... the Zune website is everything Microsoft. They are trying to be cool but can't seem to shed the corporate image. The photos on the website give it that "human touch" that is on every Microsoft packaging. But sorry even the iPod website doesn't do that. It sells the product without the "human touch" images. The website is so dark it doesn't get my attention what so ever.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
And here's the kicker:

here is another one

Quoting http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927876/en-us?sd=zune:

2. If the Zune device does not appear in Device Manager, follow these steps:
a. Connect the Zune device to another port on the computer, such as a USB port on the back of the computer. Do not use a USB hub.
b. If this action does not resolve the issue, connect the Zune device to another computer or to an Xbox 360 console to determine whether the Zune device is detected in a different setup.
If the Zune device appears in Device Manager, register ZuneSP.dll. To do this, follow these steps:
Note A .dll file is a set of functions that can be executed or data that can be used by a Windows application. In this case, ZuneSP.dll provides the service in Windows Media Device Manager (WMDM) for Zune devices.
a. Click Start, click Run, type regsvr32 "C:Program FilesZunezunesp.dll", and then click OK. You receive the following message:
DllRegisterServer in C:Program FilesZunezunesp.dll succeeded.

b. Click OK.

iPod on windows...if you have a problem...Reset, Retry, Restart, Reinstall, Restore.

Even on their own platform they can't make it slick and easy.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 7):
because I don't like being part of the hype. I don't like when everyone has the same things on the street.

But in your home you have windows just like tons of people right?

If this statement were true then you would have a mac or even linux to be really different.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3006 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
But in your home you have windows just like tons of people right?

No, these are DRASTICALLY different topics. As far as computers go, there are only 2 major operating systems. (Linux, not many people are acquainted with it).

The MP3 world is full of many various producers, not only Apple, and the new player in the market, Microsoft. A Creative Zen fit my needs perfectly, not many people have it around here as opposed to Ipods, which on a regular bus during rush hour I see at least 5 of. That's a fact, there are simply more Ipod users in the population than any other type of player. That's precisely what I hate.

With computers you don't have a choice, either Windows or Apple. And frankly when it comes to operating systems I like both. But it's not a hype, it's simply a choice between two systems used worldwide.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

I looked at the Zune, but I'm sticking with the iPod, I've had three of them so far, and each one is great! I'm not going to get anything new when the iPod serves my purposes perfectly!

User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5364 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 10):
A Creative Zen fit my needs perfectly, not many people have it around here as opposed to Ipods, which on a regular bus during rush hour I see at least 5 of. That's a fact, there are simply more Ipod users in the population than any other type of player. That's precisely what I hate.

Absolutely - I'm another Creative Zen user (Creative Zen V here) and I absolutely love the thing. Intuitive design, good support from a variety of media providers, and the software is fairly easy to use. My only complaint, in retrospect, is I should have gotten a bigger storage capacity (it's mainly a Flash player for the gym/bus anyway, so I can deal with its 1GB capacity for now...if not I'll get a Creative Zen Vision: M at some point down the road). Anyway to list out its features:


  • Works with Real Rhapsody and Napster.
  • Limited Mac support (requires user to reformat from time to time and to download firmware on a PC)
  • Zen V Plus features built-in radio. Wooo. I skipped this feature
  • Support photos, calanders, addressbook, clock. Can be synched with Outlook
  • Zen V Plus also features video.
  • Zen in general comes in multiple sizes, styles, and colors (Nano, Micro, MicroPhoto, Vision, Nano Plus, V, V Plus, Vision: M, Vision W)
  • Supports WMA, MP3, and WAV
  • V Fits between Shuffle and Nano niches, capacity-wise (V comes in 1GB, 2GB, and 4GB)
  • V's size also fits between Nano and Shuffle - 2.7" H x 1.7" W (wider than both by 0.1" on the part of the Nano) x 0.6" D (thicker than both), weighs 1.5 oz (0.09 ounces more than a Nano)
  • V supports album art and a desktop picture


All in all, I'm happy with it and I know of a few first-generation Shuffle users giving thought to switching over to Creative for their next MP3 player.

[Edited 2006-11-15 09:07:01]


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21411 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 7):
Generally, I oppose Ipods because I don't like being part of the hype.

Just make sure you've actually compared the products in question - being nonconformist by principle is completely acceptable; Just know what you're doing before you make your decision.

Sometimes it's just hype, but every once in a while, there is actually some substance behind it. The majority isn't always wrong, you know...!


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

Here's what I don't get. MS kicked Apple's but in the PC market by making it's OS compatible over a very wide range of hardware. It's a proven strategy that's worked well. Therefore, why didn't they do the same with the MP3 software/zune store? IMO a better strategy would have been to allow users of all sorts of players to buy music from the zune store.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21411 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
Here's what I don't get. MS kicked Apple's but in the PC market by making it's OS compatible over a very wide range of hardware. It's a proven strategy that's worked well.

Not exactly, actually. MS was more or less pushed into the corporate market by IBM and only later became viable on its own as supplier for the clone manufacturers. Without the corporate contracts, DOS and Windows would have died an early and largely unnoticed death - or would not even have seen the light of day in the first place.

Unfortunately for MS, however, there is no IBM today, and I have my doubts if corporate acquisition will really make the difference in the music player market...!

So it's actually down to user's choice, and the generally damning reviews (no other way to put it) so far don't bode too well for the Zune...

Quoting Pope (Reply 14):
Therefore, why didn't they do the same with the MP3 software/zune store? IMO a better strategy would have been to allow users of all sorts of players to buy music from the zune store.

They had already tried and failed on exactly that route: The infamous "plays for sure" concept was exactly that attempt.

But as we know now, MS doesn't just leave its hardware manufacturers in the dust and becomes their biggest competitor (in the anything but iPod niche), it's also all the users who get screwed because none of the "plays for sure" titles will play on the Zune - and that's for sure...!

Add to that the fact that the Zune has by far the most restrictive DRM of the whole bunch (maybe except the defunct Sony attempt - notice anything?); MS was apparently so desperate to get their hands on music content that the music industry had them by the short and curlies - what the industry wants, the industry gets from MS, also unlike Apple.

The fact that wirelessly "squirted"  Yeah sure titles simply die after three playbacks or three days (whichever comes first) is just one indication of this fact.

Yeah, if one is a die-hard MS fan (are there any?), one might put up with all the limitations and the nonsense. But other than that? I haven't found any reasons for believing that the Zune was destined for anything but the bargain bins in a few months - and the landfill after that.

Second generation? I doubt it.


User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 7):
I'm definitely going to get a Zune, but I'm going to wait for teh future generations. As with all products, the 1st generation is DEFINITELY going to have many flaws. No doubt about it.
Generally, I oppose Ipods because I don't like being part of the hype. I don't like when everyone has the same things on the street. That's why I have a Creative Zen and am very, very happy with it. By the time the future Zune generations come out, it will be time for me to get a replacement.

Yeah great you buy the worse product just because you wanna be different.
you are a hero mate. Go on and buy yourself some hippe cloth just to be different.
No scroll wheel.... Then it's nothing like a normal mp3player you can get for 20 bucks.

Regds
jush



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2376 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 7):
I'm definitely going to get a Zune, but I'm going to wait for teh future generations. As with all products, the 1st generation is DEFINITELY going to have many flaws. No doubt about it.
Generally, I oppose Ipods because I don't like being part of the hype. I don't like when everyone has the same things on the street. That's why I have a Creative Zen and am very, very happy with it. By the time the future Zune generations come out, it will be time for me to get a replacement.

Very true! that's also why I use a Sony NW-A1000


And I am very happy with it as well!


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 11):
I looked at the Zune, but I'm sticking with the iPod, I've had three of them so far, and each one is great! I'm not going to get anything new when the iPod serves my purposes perfectly!

Same here. When I got my Ipod nano a year ago and loaded it on my Dell PC, the ease of operating Itunes on a PC convinced me to take the full plunge and go Mac.

I couldn't imagine going back to Microsoft, and Zune in particular.


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3166 times:

Well the New York Times wasn't particularly nice to the Zune. Neither was Wired.

The draconian DRM is what makes it irrelevant. It'll be off the shelves Zune enough.



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User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Quoting Jush (Reply 16):
Yeah great you buy the worse product just because you wanna be different.
you are a hero mate. Go on and buy yourself some hippe cloth just to be different.
No scroll wheel.... Then it's nothing like a normal mp3player you can get for 20 bucks.

He likes a different type of mp3 player, why the hell does that make you feel the need to insult him? Grow up.

Sorry guys, I try to avoid all the name calling and child's play that goes on in this forum, but that was just ridiculous and needed a word to be said.

Anyway, does anyone here have a Zen Vision M? I just bought one on Ebay today for a good price ($220) and I'm excited to get it next week, I was considering an Ipod video but I read comparisons and the Vision M has a better screen, longer battery life during video playback, and cool features like a radio tuner that made me decide in its favor, plus thanks to its relative lack of popularity it's possible to get them for less than an Ipod Video.


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Simply put, I'm buying a Zune just because it's not an iPod.

iPods are incredibly overrated and almost everyone I know that has a mini has had horrible battery life problems.

I asked for a Zune for Christmas and can't wait to get it so I can be iPod free.

AAndrew


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3006 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
Sometimes it's just hype, but every once in a while, there is actually some substance behind it. The majority isn't always wrong, you know...!

I'm definitely not denying that Ipods are a great product! I think they are suburb, and that is why they are so popular, no doubt about it!

Quoting Jush (Reply 16):
Yeah great you buy the worse product just because you wanna be different.
you are a hero mate. Go on and buy yourself some hippe cloth just to be different.
No scroll wheel.... Then it's nothing like a normal mp3player you can get for 20 bucks.

Dude, get a life. Just cause it doesn't have a scroll wheel doesn't make it a worse product! That's exactly why I said I don't want the 1st generation. They are obviously going to have flaws. It's more than a regular MP3 player for 20 bucks, and they features will only improve. So as the product improves they will definitely get my business.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Piggybacking on my question about whether anyone else has a Zen Vision M, does anyone know an easy, preferably free way to get dvd movies onto my hard drive and then on to the vision m? I'd like to check some out from my dorm's desk and load them up for airplane flights and the like...

25 Post contains links and images TedTAce : This one un-did it for me. Something about not being able to use it to transport files??? That's I'll be getting one of these instead: http://www.pri
26 Post contains images Klaus : Which one would that be? It would still be almost the same price as the 30GB iPod. The iPod has just recently been upgraded - the comparisons you rea
27 Waterpolodan : Well, the new price for a 30GB ipod is 250, and it's hard to find them anywhere for less than that because they're so popular, and I managed to get t
28 Post contains links Garnetpalmetto : Sorry, Dan - you might want to try looking through Creative's Discussion forums - http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs?region=CLI or searching thr
29 Post contains links IFEMaster : I hope you can still say that when it becomes obvious to you that the Zune's DRM restrictions and 1st gen problems make the iPod look like solid gold
30 Post contains images LTU932 : Absolutely priceless! How the hell can't they make one of their newest products compatible with their newest Windblows version? I predict a load of s
31 Runway777 : ipod is the most amazing thing ever. lol. i go nowhere with out my ipod video
32 Post contains images OlegShv : I'm very happy with my 4GB Nano which I got about a year ago. It works great and I'm very satisfied with the size of the thing and the sound quality.
33 Daedaeg : Another Zen guy here. I didn't want to buy into the IPOD hype either. But the main reason I bought it was because it was a lot cheaper than the IPOD.
34 Waterpolodan : Well, first the screen went bad, so that I could only read the song titles ect. if I tilted it at a very specific angle. The backlight would still co
35 Post contains links IFEMaster : Send it to these guys. A friend had his nano repaired by them, and he said their service was outstanding.
36 Post contains images Bobster2 : It occurred to me that people will find their Zunes loaded with spam from the WiFi. So I googled "zune wifi spam" and discovered I'm not exactly the f
37 YWG : My friend is an apple enthusiast and had told me a few key "selling point". -Apparently, Zune only takes purchased music. -The purchased music expires
38 Post contains images TedTAce : ABSOLUTE plain Zune will take and play anything you load to it through it's software. The only things that expire are files sent from one Zune to ano
39 Post contains images AC773 : I obviously don't know you, so I can only offer my own experience and opinion: I have an iPod, and I never use it as an external drive. All of my stu
40 YWG : Sorry about that, I was 'briefed' before it came out, so obviously he had his facts mixed up.
41 Klaus : I just don't see the problem with it. Of course real-life circumstances will vary, but for many purposes an iPod can in fact be a rather practical to
42 Post contains links Klaus : I just came across an analytical piece which - although clearly opinionated - does provide some perspective on and insight into the market dynamics at
43 Asturias : Zune: No Games No Alarm Clock No Stopwatch No World clock No Volume limiter No Equalizer No Calendar No Address book No Notes module No PlaysForSure s
44 OlegShv : Sorry to hear your story. Really, you should have called Apple and asked them about how to send your nano for repairs or replacement. Apple has one o
45 Post contains images Theredbaron : I have a 1 gen Ipod a 3 gen Ipod, 2 Minis, 1 nano and 1 Video... Zune? yeap when hell frezes over and drops dead .... Simply pit the Ipod has NO compe
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