LH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2425 posts, RR: 13 Posted (9 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 2724 times:
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Did you ever witnessed a person dying?
On tuesday I arrived in my architecture faculty building, and found the usual spot, where students and professors tend to meet, have a late and talk, totally deserted. Only thing I saw was a couple of Doctors struggling to bring a man (who I recognised as our janitor) back to live, giving him mouth to mouth and heart massage. Nadine, a friend allready told me that "something happened, possible stroke" ... so I braced myself on what I was about to see on my way to class. The students mood was rather dull as you would expect, class was over and I walked across the building to see my other Prof. Imagine our faculty building as a big 6 storey house with a large inner court that stretches over 3 levels. Down there was the coffee bar and that was where he was lying, so everytime you passed the courtyard, I heard a constant "shlang ..... beeeeeep" from the Defibrilator.
I went out of my last class only to find five exhausted MDs sitting on the stairs and a white blanket on the dead mans body .... a view I doubt I will ever forget.
Today the spot is filled with students again, the body lied exactly where every body cued up for a coffee ... strange feeling for everyone! A candle and white lilies where set up for him on that spot. May he rest in peace!
You see deaths and killing everyday, we all have played ego shooter games, but being hit by death so closely is so weird, usually people die in bed or during accidents, he just had a stroke and lied there for over 1 hour with the doctors literaly fighting for his life.
I'm not to deep an emotional character, but it hit me what I saw!!
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NeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 2724 times:
I've seen four people die, three as a lifeguard (no I was not at fault) and then one two years ago when I was working, I was cutting the grass on the boulevard at an apartment building at a busy intersection and a man jay walked across the street and was struck, very sad.
I'm not emotional either, and I must say, that what bothered me most was the gentleman who was walking across the street, the people that died while I was lifeguarding I found out later were not in great health, however, the man walking across the street was just so sudden and unexpected. I dealt with them all though, once you accept that people are going to die, and as long as you do all that you can to help them (if you're in a position to do so), then you can come to peace with it eventually.
Yes. In an accident in 2001. Even though I wasn't involved in it, my cousin is a paramedic and when the accident happened he instinctively rushed in to help. There wasn't much anybody could do, he was a bike rider hit by a truck...the poor guy died there even before the ambulance could arrive. I didn't actually see him die, but he died there...so yeah technically I can say I saw him die.
My ten year old brother. Cancer can rot in hell. Then going to the funerals of other children we met during his treatment. Seeing 8-10 year olds in caskets wears you down... it is just not fair. Not fair at all. Then seeing all those kids on the oncology floor and knowing many of them wont be around at the same time next year...
First person I saw die . . . my cousin, in 1975, when the motorcycle he was riding crashed into the back of my Mother's car and burst into flames.
After that, probably too many to recall accurately.
In Desert Storm, one of our troop picked up an UEX . . . unexploded ordnance. It detonated.
In 1981 in Germany, a tank crewman was crushed between the fronts of two tanks. He was standing in the wrong place to move two tanks together. One tank didn't stop in time.
In my previous line of work, the US Army, death while not pleasant, was not unexpected.
In my current line of work, it happens, usually vehicle accidents. Sometimes you get there on time, sometimes you think you got there on time.
One thing I haven't witnessed yet . . . the death of a child. Not sure how that would affect me.
And I've run across plenty of death after the fact. Accidents, suicides, etc. Got a call to a location along the TAPS (Trans Alaska Pipeline) couple years ago. Thirty Five year old woman, dead, at milepost 56. She and her husband and 10 year old son had been out canoeing. The were carrying the canoe back to their car - about a mile - when she collapsed. It was an hour to get to the scene. Alyeska Pipeline Security had beaten me there - they have a Pump Station 2 miles away. She was dead long before Alyeska Securty showed up.
I was visiting my first wife at her office at the Personnel Center at Ft. Knox back in 1985. As we were talking, a few feet away one of her troops suddenly collapsed. She expired right on the floor in plain view of everyone, even those of us that had Combat Life-Saver qualifications. The paramedics arrived within minutes, but she was definitely gone. Had expelled herself, and and absolutely no sign of breathing and cardio function. The CPR had been useless. The Paramedics tried, but as I said, she was definitely gone. Young girl too. Later determined to be an unidentified heart problem.
Please, don't take this wrong, but after a while - if you have to deal with this sort of thing "routinely" it'll not bother you as much. Of course, you will always wonder about the person. About their life, their family, their goals and ambitions. Then, you'll move on.
Aeroflot777 From Austria, joined Mar 2004, 3363 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 2723 times:
I was about 14, like 2 hours outside Moscow in our country home. As usual all friends get together toward the evenings and spend their time together. We go to the riverbank, sit for a few hours talking, there are about 20 of us. All of a sudden we hear 2 cars zoom by us heading toward the next village on the road which is like 5 minutes away. About an hour later, we decide to go down the road to pick up some friends who live quite a ways away. Then all of us see the two damn cars from earlier come out of the corner behind us and start speeding. Thankfully all of us just jump to the side of the street, and get out of the way. However, ahead of us, another separate group was walking. It was about 11pm, but it was quite light because of the summer months. After the cars zoomed by us, we notice that they are failing to stop in front of the group in front. Most of the people there see the car and get away, but don't have enough time to tell their two friends who are backward-facing towards teh car squatting down on the street.
Then, right in front of our eyes, the car decelerates just a little, and WHAM runs over the two ladies on the street, then fly out a little. The car stops, a man gets out, looks at then and yells. "Don't worry those bitches will survive!"
And he drives away. Unfortunately, the two women were lifeless. One woman's skull was cracked open with blood oozing out, the other was disfigured nearby.
One of the most terrifying moments of my life.
Because the villages are so spread out, and have to hot water or electricity, there was a lot of chaos when the sky became dark. News untraveled pretty quickly over to our village (population 30). Grandmothers, mothers ran out, crying, yelling. The next vilage is a good 20 km away, and has the same population. Ambulance came about 45 minutes later. I couldn't stay, the scene was simply too horrendous.
Their burial was about a week later, RIP. They were the owners of the house right in front of our, which to this day a few years later, just stands dark. Pretty eerie thinking about it in my head every time I go to bed there in the dark.
Eeekk. Shivers going down my spine just remembering all this...
P.S. Those damn bastards were thankfully caught, and thrown into jail for a few years!
Aeroflot777 From Austria, joined Mar 2004, 3363 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 2723 times:
Quoting Jpax (Reply 7): My ten year old brother. Cancer can rot in hell. Then going to the funerals of other children we met during his treatment. Seeing 8-10 year olds in caskets wears you down... it is just not fair. Not fair at all. Then seeing all those kids on the oncology floor and knowing many of them wont be around at the same time next year... crying
Damn dude! I'm very sorry to hear that man... Truly devastating!
Fbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3805 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 2723 times:
My wife was involved in a serious car accident just over a year ago and spent a number of weeks in Neuroscience ICU. We spent around 12hrs per day in hospital and heard a number of people of dying during our time there, it was quite disturbing...something I won't forget in a while
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JAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3741 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 2723 times:
I know how hard it must have been. I witnessed an accident where a car got hit while pulling out of a parking lot by an oncoming car. The car was not damaged so I thought everything (the man and his wife) would be ok, the guy would walk away and just have minor bruises. I left the store to go home and check something and came back an hour later to which I saw the car door had been opened and there were green sheets draped over the open car/door. I knew what that meant. 10 minutes later a CORONER hearse showed up. The man had probably had a heart attack from the accident. No blood, just a heart attack which ended the guy's life fast.
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Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 22657 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 2724 times:
Quoting Jpax (Reply 7): My ten year old brother. Cancer can rot in hell. Then going to the funerals of other children we met during his treatment. Seeing 8-10 year olds in caskets wears you down... it is just not fair. Not fair at all. Then seeing all those kids on the oncology floor and knowing many of them wont be around at the same time next year...
That gives me chills just to read it. My condolences to you.
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Halcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 2723 times:
Well, an undisclosed amount simply because I'm an EMT. While a lot of people questioned whether or not I could handle it at such a young age, I proved I could and am not worse off for it.
I did a thread a while ago about jobs and gave some descriptions of it, as did everyone else of their jobs. Right now in college I am not employed as one, but I'll be working over Xmas break on night shift (yay fun, I'm gonna freeze up there in MT).
Sadly, my last patient died and I never knew her name. We got her to ER ad she just went downhill fast. There was nothing we could do, and we finally gave up at 30/? .
I felt sorry for that lady particularly because she died away from everyone she knew (apparently from the Seattle area) and I never knew her name. It was also the first time I've ever let a patient go who was still trying to live, but there was nothing we could really do. Intubation was a mess, her mediastinal area was all torn up internally...we would have used all sorts of blood and still lost.
Anyway, I was kind of sad that my last patient before college died while in the charge of my crew and the anesthesiologist, but when the Doctor French my Med Dir got there he told us we made the right choice. However, we gave her a good chance and she tried hard.
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8): One thing I haven't witnessed yet . . . the death of a child. Not sure how that would affect me.
I've never had a child in my charge when this has happened, thank the Lord...quite close in a car wreck before I left, but not quite. Really made me pissed at the mom for not making the kid buckle. Also, I must admit that I feel sick every time we get a call for a baby...it's been fine every time so far, but one of these days I'll be less lucky.
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8): Please, don't take this wrong, but after a while - if you have to deal with this sort of thing "routinely" it'll not bother you as much. Of course, you will always wonder about the person. About their life, their family, their goals and ambitions. Then, you'll move on.
This is very true. The thing about it, for me, as a person who tries to help people, is that it makes me realize how important life is. I now feel more love for my girlfriend than I ever could have before this time. To a lesser extent I worry about people more, but if I thought about it it would eat me up, so I don't.
Death is a tragic thing, but you realize that it's natural. Once you've seen a bunch it becomes a process, and as long as YOU don't feel that you're at fault for the death it is fairly easily handled. Death no longer "bothers" me per se. It makes me think more and appreciate life more.
However, all of this is based on deaths of strangers. If a friend died I could handle it, but if someone in my family died, I'd...well, I'm not arrogant enough to think that I would not be brought to my knees. However, even then I'd be able to adjust better to what had happened.
Personally, one reason I'm able to handle it (cliché and religion haters need not read) is due to my religion. I believe in an afterlife and believe that life is a journey. To me, life is the seed from which the flower sprouts, but, death is for me not always bad, as it can be when the flower finally blooms and unfurls into the sun, so to speak. (cliché over).
Life is a beautiful thing, and death is a part of it. Coming to grips with death will give you a better appreciation of life and help you to love it more.
Lastly, I really think that course in EMS should be offered as part of school curricula at more schools, as it gives you an understanding of the beast and helps you cope with it.
Well, my post is over!
PS-For all of my fellow A.netters who have experienced grief, I wish you a fast recovery and mush love ahead of you in your life.
TZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2911 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 2720 times:
This may not be so extreme to everyone, but I the only death I've ever witnessed was brief. My great-grandmother was ailing away at the hospital and I knew that she didn't have the longest time to live. I was just with her one night, just holding her hand and telling her everything is going to be alright, when it happened. Just passed away right there, hand in hand. It was the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with, but I'm glad she died with family around with her at the time. Its really devastating just to think about it, but I'm glad it was as painless as it could have been, just lying there and just slowly drifting to sleep.
I've seen both bad guys and good guys die. Friends and enemies.
What amazes me is how gracious a lot of them become in their final moments. There is no anger. There is no pettiness or no"Hey Aharon, tell my brother Joe that I still hate him." - Instead there is calm desperation to get one's affairs "in order." They want their wife to know he will always love her. They want their parents to know they weren't afraid, or their brother to know they're sorry they didn't spend enough time together.
I think the most heart breaking was when a good friend of mine said, "Tell my son that I am so sorry that I am going to miss his soccer games. Tell him he's my hero and to watch over his sister and mother. Tell him I am sorry he had to become a man so early in his life." I carried his casket onto the back of the C-17.
I will always be awed by how gracious people can be, even though they know they're slipping away. Amazing.
Mdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 2720 times:
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 5): If it ever stops hitting you, it's time to start seeing a counselor.
I don't think so. Medical professionals, law enforcement, and the military have to deal with it all the time. After a while, it hits you less
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 21): A 7-year-old boy died in my arms. His mom's boyfriend beat the shit out of him because he peed his pants.
Awful. Asshole things like that make you feel really sad for humanity.
As for me, I didn't witness it face to face but in high school I volunteered in the hospital and saw a man code. Unfortunately it was unsuccessful. I know I will be seeing a lot of people die in my future profession though.
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SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 65
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 2740 times:
Just three months out of high school. Stood by helplessly as a girl, a friend from HS with whom I'd spent most of the day, died of massive head injuries from a really stupid single-car accident. I don't ever again want a night like that one. Not one year has passed from that day to this when I haven't remembered it when the date rolled around.
Since then, I've maybe seen a couple dozen, mostly in plane crashes and in combat. Sometimes I've gone over to help, sometimes not. One of the last I didn't approach the crash because of downed powerlines between me and the burning airplane. A county sheriff prevented anyone from trying to help the burning pilot - and rightly so. More would have died if anyone had been allowed to approach the plane. It is bad and if you are a decent, sane person it should never get easy.
My ex neighbor is a trauma nurse and a flight nurse on the local ambulance helicopter. I have nothing but awe and admiration for what she does. She is stronger than I am by far.
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: Except we have a volunteer army. Way to interject politics.
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