ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2989 times:
As deserved . . . . one of the soldiers involved in the rape of the young Iraqi girl and the subsequent murder of she and her family will go to the US Big House at Ft. Leavenworth Kansas for the duration of his life.
Rammstein From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2810 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter): Say, where's all the pinheads that said these soldiers would get off, or would get a light sentence?? scratchchin We (those of us with sense) told you differently didn't we.
I admit I was one of the pinheads who was skeptical about the sentence, so I offer my excuses.
AGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2792 times:
This is a terrible terrible story and one that will leave scars on many. I for one feel good that "justice" was done here. Having had some involvment with the prison system, not a resident, I know life in prison is not a good deal. I am not saying it is equal to what the little girl got , but it is a horrible life . Their is no good side to being in prison for life,despite what you may think.
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AAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2709 times:
Taken from the article
"The United States Army did not ... put enough soldiers on the checkpoints," Sheldon said. "
"Barker described changing clothes, then climbing through backyards as the five soldiers left the checkpoint they had been manning to carry out the attack."
The lawyer wants to blame the Army, yet the defendants left their fucking post at the checkpoint to commit this crime. Who knows how many other soldiers lives could have been endangered by these fucktards abandoning their post to go off and commit this horrible crime.
Bravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2704 times:
ANC, you should have made it clear in the opening post that this sentencing in the result of a plea bargain. I heard it over the radio. I hope we see some maximum sentences., its too early to decide if justice has been served IMO.
Deep inside here's what I think:
If Iraq is capable of handing justice to Saddam, they could have dealt with this case themselves too.
Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2668 times:
I am glad the only thing the plea bargain took off the table was the death penalty. Instead of him serving 10 years or something that is totally inadequate to the circumstances of the case. I hope the mastermind behind it gets the death penalty.
One thing that I didnt notice mentioned in the article is where the CO was? Was it an Lt. etc or an NCO? Will they face any consequences? If actions against that person are unneccesary then fine, but I would like to know who was in charge on that one and what they were doing.
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 15): In many countries this alone at time of war would get you a nice place in front of a wall facing a firing squad.
True. Although that does not happen in the US military and I think that is a good thing. I wonder how much more effective the Soviet and Nazi armies would have been and how much longer hostilities would have gone on between them if Stalin and Hitler wouldnt have ordered the death of retreating soldiers.
And? Unless he takes a Dhalmer trip to the showers that's still minor pennance.
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 7): This is justice, he plea bargained against his fellow rapists and murderers and as such didnt get the death sentence - the others probably will on the basis of his testimony.
If it plays out this way I will feel a LITTLE better.
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18): generally smarter to do that before making a post . . .
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13425 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2622 times:
He was facing a trial of his peers, that is a military trial under the Unified Military Code of Justice, as it occurred on the battlefield and on duty as a soldier. There is a strong chance he could have faced the death penalty, but in his plea he gets a life sentence. I am not sure how it works under the UMCJ, but in civilian criminals facing Federal charges rarely get parole for years now, so for him life is really till he dies in prison.
I can accept this sentence for his horrible crime. The was Murder of a minor. There was a rape. This occurred in a culture so abhorrent to sexual assault, in a place where we (the USA troops) are so hated, is so against well established American Military culture that doesn't tolerate cold murder or sexual assault in the battlefront, an act against all levels of human rights and agreements/treaties, that a life sentence was quite acceptable to most Americans and the world.
Let us hope his fellow soldiers that per the testimony and evidence on them that they clearly supported or participated in his obscene act also face substantial jail sentences per the Code.
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2616 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20): Let us hope his fellow soldiers that per the testimony and evidence on them that they clearly supported or participated in his obscene act also face substantial jail sentences per the Code.
They most certainly will.
In another thread, this subject, I posted the possible punishments for this crime (linked right from the UCMJ). They are quite severe. In fact, I'm sure this guy avoided the death penalty solely because he rolled over. I'm also just as certain that his compadres will in fact face a death penalty. Whether they get it or not will of course be up to the Military Judge.
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20): There is a strong chance he could have faced the death penalty, but in his plea he gets a life sentence. I
For the charges this guy and his buddies face there are only TWO possibilities: Death or Life in Leavenworth. The fact that this guy might see a parole in twenty or thirty years frankly surprises me. Part of the plea deal I'm sure. I bet his buddies will NOT be so lucky.
As Halls120 says above:
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11): As I've said many times, if I was guilty of a heinous crime, a military court martial is the last place I'd want to be tried.
He's spot on.
IF I were to be tried in a court, I'd much rather have the jury be Tommy Tentpeg and Mary Jane Rottencrotch from down the street than a jury of my Military Peers - especially if I had dishonored them by dishonoring myself, my uniform, my Army and my country.
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 19): I felt it was liberal bashing at the expense of what is honestly in injustice in my eyes.
I can accept that. It was not meant as a liberal bash TedT, it was meant to bash anyone - liberal or otherwise - that blabbered on and on about how this assclown (and his co-conspirators) would get a year in the pokey and be back on the farm in Kansas later. I wanted to make it abundantly clear to them that they were told before that wouldn't be the case, and now the proof is on the table. Hell, even in a plea deal the guy got life. So, my target wasn't just "liberals".
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14482 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2576 times:
Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 16): Although that does not happen in the US military and I think that is a good thing. I wonder how much more effective the Soviet and Nazi armies would have been and how much longer hostilities would have gone on between them if Stalin and Hitler wouldnt have ordered the death of retreating soldiers.
There is a difference:
These soldiers were not ordered to hold an impossble position or ordered to do something equally suicidical, but instead were leaving their assigned posts to rape the girl. While they were doing this they were leaving the flank of their comrades wide open. In the Roman army a soldier who left his post without permission or got caught sleeping on guard was stoned to death by his comrades, who'se lives he endangered.
Allstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2557 times:
What kind of prison life is he facing? I remember the Leavenworth thread a few months back. It just looks like a big dormitory. I'll take your word, those of you who know something of it, that it's going to be the nightmare for this guy you say it is.