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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

As deserved . . . . one of the soldiers involved in the rape of the young Iraqi girl and the subsequent murder of she and her family will go to the US Big House at Ft. Leavenworth Kansas for the duration of his life.

Justice for that young girl and her family.

The other soldiers are yet to be tried . . .

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/16/iraq.slaying.ap/index.html

Say, where's all the pinheads that said these soldiers would get off, or would get a light sentence??  scratchchin  We (those of us with sense) told you differently didn't we.

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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
Justice for that young girl and her family.

He gets to live with healthcare, and never worry about where his next meal is commng from for the rest of his life. She got raped and killed. Yeah, that's justice alright  Yeah sure


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
He gets to live with healthcare, and never worry about where his next meal is commng from for the rest of his life. She got raped and killed. Yeah, that's justice alright

You miss the gawddamn point TedT - surprised at you really.

The gawddamn liberal heart bleeders here were certain the guy would get a year in jail and this proves them wrong . . .

Furthermore, there's no doubt that young lady got the shitty end of the deal . . . however - JUSTICE is served and many thought it would not be.

And Leavenworth is no cake walk . . .

 sarcastic 


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Ft. Leavenworth sounds ok, but I think for the family of the victim it would be better for this soldier to serve his sentence where he committed the crime:
Life in Abu Greib.

Jan


User currently offlineSaturnVRocket From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
He gets to live with healthcare, and never worry about where his next meal is commng from for the rest of his life. She got raped and killed. Yeah, that's justice alright

And get ass raped for the rest of his life. yeah...ummm, that seems worth it.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26449 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Quoting SaturnVRocket (Reply 4):
And get ass raped for the rest of his life

Federal Prison is not the same as the various state prisions that seem more of the crime of rape being committed.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2513 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Federal Prison is not the same as the various state prisions that seem more of the crime of rape being committed.

And Leavenworth is not your normal federal prison so ass rape will abound.

I personally like the way they toss you in the yard in the morning and give you a big rock and expect it to be little rocks by the end of the day. That's what prison should be for the lifers.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2509 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
He gets to live with healthcare, and never worry about where his next meal is commng from for the rest of his life. She got raped and killed. Yeah, that's justice alright

This is justice, he plea bargained against his fellow rapists and murderers and as such didnt get the death sentence - the others probably will on the basis of his testimony.

So now hes in prison, branded a rapist, a murderer AND a snitch - hes going to be watching his back for the next 20 years until hes elegible for parol.


User currently offlineRammstein From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
Say, where's all the pinheads that said these soldiers would get off, or would get a light sentence?? scratchchin We (those of us with sense) told you differently didn't we.

I admit I was one of the pinheads who was skeptical about the sentence, so I offer my excuses.

Congratulations to the court-martial.


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

This is a terrible terrible story and one that will leave scars on many. I for one feel good that "justice" was done here. Having had some involvment with the prison system, not a resident, I know life in prison is not a good deal. I am not saying it is equal to what the little girl got , but it is a horrible life . Their is no good side to being in prison for life,despite what you may think.


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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Good. Glad to hear they didn't sentence him to death. Let him rot in jail for the rest of his life. Hell will still have an open space for him in a couple of decades, so no rush...

Thom@s



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
Say, where's all the pinheads that said these soldiers would get off, or would get a light sentence?? We (those of us with sense) told you differently didn't we.

As I've said many times, if I was guilty of a heinous crime, a military court martial is the last place I'd want to be tried. OTOH, if I was innocent, give me a GCM any day of the week.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
e US Big House at Ft. Leavenworth Kansas for the duration of his life.

A question here, will the military place a guy like this in a special unit (protective custody) or will he have to fend for himself in general population?

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):

As I've said many times, if I was guilty of a heinous crime, a military court martial is the last place I'd want to be tried.

Wouldn't be my court of choice either.


User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Taken from the article

"The United States Army did not ... put enough soldiers on the checkpoints," Sheldon said. "

"Barker described changing clothes, then climbing through backyards as the five soldiers left the checkpoint they had been manning to carry out the attack."

The lawyer wants to blame the Army, yet the defendants left their fucking post at the checkpoint to commit this crime. Who knows how many other soldiers lives could have been endangered by these fucktards abandoning their post to go off and commit this horrible crime.

For the family in Iraq, R.I.P



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

ANC, you should have made it clear in the opening post that this sentencing in the result of a plea bargain. I heard it over the radio. I hope we see some maximum sentences., its too early to decide if justice has been served IMO.

Deep inside here's what I think:
If Iraq is capable of handing justice to Saddam, they could have dealt with this case themselves too.

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 10):

While I totally see your point, I think there is a very reasonable debate there. Though I am not in the same camp. Some people are just not worth burdening this world.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 13):
yet the defendants left their fucking post at the checkpoint to commit this crime.

In many countries this alone at time of war would get you a nice place in front of a wall facing a firing squad.

Jan


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

I am glad the only thing the plea bargain took off the table was the death penalty. Instead of him serving 10 years or something that is totally inadequate to the circumstances of the case. I hope the mastermind behind it gets the death penalty.
One thing that I didnt notice mentioned in the article is where the CO was? Was it an Lt. etc or an NCO? Will they face any consequences? If actions against that person are unneccesary then fine, but I would like to know who was in charge on that one and what they were doing.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 15):
In many countries this alone at time of war would get you a nice place in front of a wall facing a firing squad.

True. Although that does not happen in the US military and I think that is a good thing. I wonder how much more effective the Soviet and Nazi armies would have been and how much longer hostilities would have gone on between them if Stalin and Hitler wouldnt have ordered the death of retreating soldiers.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Sad state of affairs.

I wouldn't have expected that kind of behaviour from a soldier, but alas, it seems to take a special breed of person to serve in the military.

At least justice has been done, but I feel sorry for the girls family for having to deal with such a tragedy.  



Lee

[Edited 2006-11-18 00:32:40]


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 14):
ANC, you should have made it clear in the opening post that this sentencing in the result of a plea bargain.

I linked the article.

Seems to me one should READ the source before commenting on it . . . . generally smarter to do that before making a post . . .

My thread starter was accurate, and provided source with all the information available. Would the Life Sentence have any less meaning had I said "plea bargain" in the thread starter?  no 

End result, plea bargain or otherwise, this guy is off the streets and now has the rank of Prisoner.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
You miss the gawddamn point TedT

No, I got your point, I felt it was liberal bashing at the expense of what is honestly in injustice in my eyes.

Quoting SaturnVRocket (Reply 4):
And get ass raped for the rest of his life.

And? Unless he takes a Dhalmer trip to the showers that's still minor pennance.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 7):
This is justice, he plea bargained against his fellow rapists and murderers and as such didnt get the death sentence - the others probably will on the basis of his testimony.

If it plays out this way I will feel a LITTLE better.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
generally smarter to do that before making a post . . .

Ummm what website is this?  Wink


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

He was facing a trial of his peers, that is a military trial under the Unified Military Code of Justice, as it occurred on the battlefield and on duty as a soldier. There is a strong chance he could have faced the death penalty, but in his plea he gets a life sentence. I am not sure how it works under the UMCJ, but in civilian criminals facing Federal charges rarely get parole for years now, so for him life is really till he dies in prison.
I can accept this sentence for his horrible crime. The was Murder of a minor. There was a rape. This occurred in a culture so abhorrent to sexual assault, in a place where we (the USA troops) are so hated, is so against well established American Military culture that doesn't tolerate cold murder or sexual assault in the battlefront, an act against all levels of human rights and agreements/treaties, that a life sentence was quite acceptable to most Americans and the world.
Let us hope his fellow soldiers that per the testimony and evidence on them that they clearly supported or participated in his obscene act also face substantial jail sentences per the Code.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
Let us hope his fellow soldiers that per the testimony and evidence on them that they clearly supported or participated in his obscene act also face substantial jail sentences per the Code.

They most certainly will.

In another thread, this subject, I posted the possible punishments for this crime (linked right from the UCMJ). They are quite severe. In fact, I'm sure this guy avoided the death penalty solely because he rolled over. I'm also just as certain that his compadres will in fact face a death penalty. Whether they get it or not will of course be up to the Military Judge.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
There is a strong chance he could have faced the death penalty, but in his plea he gets a life sentence. I

For the charges this guy and his buddies face there are only TWO possibilities: Death or Life in Leavenworth. The fact that this guy might see a parole in twenty or thirty years frankly surprises me. Part of the plea deal I'm sure. I bet his buddies will NOT be so lucky.


As Halls120 says above:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
As I've said many times, if I was guilty of a heinous crime, a military court martial is the last place I'd want to be tried.

He's spot on.

IF I were to be tried in a court, I'd much rather have the jury be Tommy Tentpeg and Mary Jane Rottencrotch from down the street than a jury of my Military Peers - especially if I had dishonored them by dishonoring myself, my uniform, my Army and my country.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 19):
I felt it was liberal bashing at the expense of what is honestly in injustice in my eyes.

I can accept that. It was not meant as a liberal bash TedT, it was meant to bash anyone - liberal or otherwise - that blabbered on and on about how this assclown (and his co-conspirators) would get a year in the pokey and be back on the farm in Kansas later. I wanted to make it abundantly clear to them that they were told before that wouldn't be the case, and now the proof is on the table. Hell, even in a plea deal the guy got life. So, my target wasn't just "liberals".

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 19):
Ummm what website is this?  Smile

Yeah, what the hell was I thinking?


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 16):
Although that does not happen in the US military and I think that is a good thing. I wonder how much more effective the Soviet and Nazi armies would have been and how much longer hostilities would have gone on between them if Stalin and Hitler wouldnt have ordered the death of retreating soldiers.

There is a difference:
These soldiers were not ordered to hold an impossble position or ordered to do something equally suicidical, but instead were leaving their assigned posts to rape the girl. While they were doing this they were leaving the flank of their comrades wide open. In the Roman army a soldier who left his post without permission or got caught sleeping on guard was stoned to death by his comrades, who'se lives he endangered.

Jan


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

What kind of prison life is he facing? I remember the Leavenworth thread a few months back. It just looks like a big dormitory. I'll take your word, those of you who know something of it, that it's going to be the nightmare for this guy you say it is.

-R


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