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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

OK, so she's a socialist. And she's old. (My age, in fact)

But you've got to admit that she's pretty hot for a 53 year old woman.

Quote:
Frenchwoman May Be First to Lead France

By JAMEY KEATEN
Associated Press Writer
PARIS

Segolene Royal, a former environment minister who has shaken up French politics with her grassroots campaign, won the overwhelming backing of the main opposition Socialist Party in her bid to become the country's first female president.

Royal's triumph Thursday night over former Prime Minister Laurent Fabius and former Finance Minister Dominique Strauss-Kahn means she can head into the April election claiming the oft-divided party is fully behind her.

A 53-year-old mother of four, Royal distinguishes herself from most lofty and grave French politicians by small signals: She smiles. She often wears white. Her catch phrases "participative democracy" and "collective intelligence" put faith in ordinary people.





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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1458 times:

New president, at least possibly, next April. The premier is still the clueless De Villepin.

Better Sego than Sarko, on general principle. The UMP are self-serving pork-barrelling gravy-train riders without an ounce of common decency between them. The socialists may be suffering from a severe lack of clue, but there is at least some notion of the common good in there. If I was allowed to vote, I'd vote for Segoline.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
If I was allowed to vote

Yes, that rule about the certified insane not being permitted a vote must really annoy you.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
she's a socialist.

true, but she has absolutely NO desire to be French Premier !!!! She wants to be PRESIDENT ! A premier / prime-minister in France is an important but relatively powerless pleasure. Some prime-ministers like Georges Pompidou and Jacques Chirac managed to become presidents later on, but others like Jean-Jacques Chaban-Delmas, Maurice Couve de Murville, and others failed in this endeavour.


User currently offlineDernierVirage From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
A 53-year-old mother of four, Royal distinguishes herself from most lofty and grave French politicians by small signals: She smiles. She often wears white. Her catch phrases "participative democracy" and "collective intelligence" put faith in ordinary people.

The newspaper article you quoted summarises what worries me most about the presidential elections here. It is going to be a mixture of a media circus (even more than before) and a reality show, where real issues and intelligent debate will be forgotten.

The winning candidate should need more than catch phrases and a nice smile to convince the voters, but maybe that is all that she will need !


User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2347 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1414 times:
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A socialist called Royal .... now go figure  Smile

Anyway, I'm not that deep into french politics to state a propper oppinion, so I leave it to the insiders.

Mario
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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 3):
true, but she has absolutely NO desire to be French Premier !!!! She wants to be PRESIDENT !

My bad.  blush 

I was too busy looking at the pictures and not focusing on the fact she is running for President.


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

The last thing France needs now if for the Socialists to have another go at the economic system. I'm not right wing capitalist, but it's moderate reforms that are needed not more "eternal gateau" policies.


When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 7):
The last thing France needs now if for the Socialists to have another go at the economic system.

Quite correct, the chances of Segolene Royal however are fairly good. Because the situation on the right is
Nicolas Sarkozy : competent and full of energy, but a lack of charisma
Dominique de Villepin : charismatic, but possibly a bit too aristocratic
Jacques Chirac : experience and some charm with women, but "greying"
each of them ability-wise high above Segolene Royal, but she promises "change", whatever that really may be


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
Nicolas Sarkozy : competent and full of energy, but a lack of charisma

Sarkozy is only a step or two above Le Pen.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
Dominique de Villepin : charismatic, but possibly a bit too aristocratic

de Villepin has no business running a country. You are right about his aristocratic nature in that he appears to not actually have his head in modern France

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
Jacques Chirac : experience and some charm with women, but "greying"

Retiring anyway.

Royal is by far the best choice. She is forward thinking with one eye toward reform and the other toward keeping France the amazing place to live that it is today.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
de Villepin has no business running a country

he as Prime Minister to some extent IS running the country. And when Mr Chirac was "out-of-business" for 2 or 3 months, he practically acted as president. So that he would be able to lead as president.
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It is possible that Chirac will try and maybe even win again, and then after 2 years will resign, making de Villepin his successor. A bit like CDG made Georges Pompidou president in 1968 .
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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

Ségolène Royal shocked last month the Iraqi prime minister on visit to Paris with a statement,that "..things look quite good in Iraq.."..
That women has not the slightest clue on foreign politics and economics. She's all wrapping and populist marketing but has no substance whatsoever..
Yes she appeals on TV and political rallies,but former (Socialist) PM Michel Rocard warned her becoming president...
Her only qualification- being a good looking female politician- is not enough to bring a serious change in France.
Many former "collaborateurs" from Royal have distanced themselves from her ( like Claude Allégre..),claiming her despotic style of running operations.No criticism allowed,it's my opinion and nothing else.She seriously suggested revolutionary style"public courts" to judge the politicians and their performances..
I'm not a fan of Sarkozy neither -so what to do in France- choice between bad and bad...



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
statement,that "..things look quite good in Iraq.."..
That women has not the slightest clue

but what about news on radio and TV and in the newspapers ? very strange !


User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1322 times:



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User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1320 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
Ségolène Royal shocked last month the Iraqi prime minister on visit to Paris with a statement,that "..things look quite good in Iraq.."..

My gut is telling me there is a wider context to that quote.

QFF


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2757 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
New president, at least possibly, next April. The premier is still the clueless De Villepin.

Better Sego than Sarko, on general principle. The UMP are self-serving pork-barrelling gravy-train riders without an ounce of common decency between them. The socialists may be suffering from a severe lack of clue, but there is at least some notion of the common good in there. If I was allowed to vote, I'd vote for Segoline.

I agree with you JGPH1A.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
Quite correct, the chances of Segolene Royal however are fairly good. Because the situation on the right is
Nicolas Sarkozy : competent and full of energy, but a lack of charisma
Dominique de Villepin : charismatic, but possibly a bit too aristocratic
Jacques Chirac : experience and some charm with women, but "greying"
each of them ability-wise high above Segolene Royal, but she promises "change", whatever that really may be

A faily good analysis, yet I'm not sure I'd say Sarkozy lack charisma, but the thoughts of him winning terrify nearly as much as the idea of J. Le Pen.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Sarkozy is only a step or two above Le Pen.

I agree. I was surprised to see a list of intention of vote for the first round of voting at the moment form some survey printed this Sunday in the wonderful (NOT) Depeche du Midi (actually based on a survey carried out for Le Figaro), and Sarkozy and Royal were both at 36% and Le Pen at 13%!!! Are the French going to play the same silly game as in the last elections and give high votes to Le Pen the first time around?

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
She seriously suggested revolutionary style"public courts" to judge the politicians and their performances..

And what's wrong with this in your opinion Beaucaire?

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 11):
I'm not a fan of Sarkozy neither -so what to do in France- choice between bad and bad...

That, I most probably agree with you on.

All I can say is that's what is clear is the France desperately NEEDS A CHANGE, and possible Royal is the only possible candidate who may offer some change to the French political scene (not saying she's the most ideal, but the best out of a bad selection)



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User currently offlineFlyingbabydoc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

Well, it seems that the trend continues. Angela Merkel in Germany, now Segolene Royal in France with a real chance and in 2008 Hillary in the US



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will make the next G8 an interesting exchange of haute couture and recipes!

 Wink

Alex


User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Sarkozy is only a step or two above Le Pen.

... No. At all. Sarkozy is anything but an understated fascist. More of an atlantist. That is really cheap leftist propaganda, quite disappointing N112.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
Dominique de Villepin : charismatic

... ahem.. NO. He is a far cry from feeling close to the people. Totally out of touch. And clueless.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
Jacques Chirac : experience and some charm with women, but "greying"

Nice statement but to me he is completely out, discredited, with a dismal record and very poor performance.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1297 times:

Quoting Frequentflyer (Reply 17):
completely out, discredited, with a dismal record and very poor performance.

no, you wildly exaggerate. He is NOT discredited and his record and his performance is OK, less overwhelming than Valery Giscard d'Estaing but equal to Mitterand and better than Pompidou.

Quoting Frequentflyer (Reply 17):
Dominique de Villepin : charismatic
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... ahem.. NO. He is a far cry from feeling close to the people. Totally out of touch. And clueless.

I would say close enough to the people, and neither out of touch nor clueless. And he during the Iraq matter in the UN has shown his abilities. I was impressed.
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User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 18):
but equal to Mitterand

Now that's an insult to Mitterrand lol (and am no fan of him neither!)

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 18):
And he during the Iraq matter in the UN has shown his abilities. I was impressed.

Well to me he was arrogant and antagonized the US-led effort. He has shown since that he is also unable to manage internal politics more diplomatically. France has had enough aristocrats in politics and he is the current worst example of that.

Besides, I have some doubts about his sanity. Something weird about the guy. Maybe it is just l lack of social skills or political training.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

Quoting Frequentflyer (Reply 19):
he was arrogant

He in the UN also represented Germany and the Arab World in an excellent and admirable way. He had my applause for the good work !  bigthumbsup  yes 


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

What France needs is a political leader that has the courage to attack the most vital problems of the country :
- the cost of labour is too expensive-too much overhead cost for companies and independent worker...
-the social fracture that has led France to become a two class society is inflicting heavy damage to the middle class.Life has become too expensive due to heavy taxation,hopeless oversized administration and the associated cost to entertain them
-the status of long-time immigrants has to be legalized or they have to be expelled-I tend to agree with Sarkozy on this matter
-the system does not encourage Independence-I have set up my own small business and even before invoicing anything had to pay taxes and "URSSAF" charges-the best way to kill initiatives !
-Banks in France are completely hopeless- they are the pillows of the static way things are handled and profit from monopoly-type economic policies.
Takeovers in France are very much ore difficult to pass than in other countries.
-Local taxes are increasing at a frightening rate ( that is housing taxes,real-estate taxes,water charges,waste-water fees etc..) Some people have seen their housing taxes increased by 45 % in two years !!! -politicians should put a break to this stupid system,that makes ownership more expensive than rental of homes.
-Inheritance tax is absolutely awesome -if a same family member inherits a home,he might pay as much as 60 % heritage taxes in France,obliging him to sell the property in order to accept the last will of a deceased family member...
-Paris is still the water-head of France -genuine de-centralizd economic or political life is rather an illusion.
-The law system is based on "Napoleon System" -that means you are guilty as long as you don't prove you are innocent.Tons of innocent people stay in jail because of this stupid system -sometimes more than 3 years -without anybody seriously looking into their innocence but rather trying to find proof of guilt.

Any serious contender of presidency should try to tackle those issues-



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 14):
My gut is telling me there is a wider context to that quote.

«Le pays [l’Irak] est en train de se redresser. Il y a à la fois des éléments de lumière mais aussi des formes de terrorisme. Le gouvernement français est au côté du gouvernement irakien, les socialistes français aussi.»

Translated it means :
The Iraq is recovering.There are strong elements of light (meaning hope ??)but also terror.The French government is standing side by side with the Iraqi government , as are the french Socialists..

Could someone please explain to me, what the French Socialist have to do with supporting the american politics in Iraq????
The Iraqi president was quite puzzled about that statement.....!



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 15):
I agree. I was surprised to see a list of intention of vote for the first round of voting at the moment form some survey printed this Sunday in the wonderful (NOT) Depeche du Midi (actually based on a survey carried out for Le Figaro), and Sarkozy and Royal were both at 36% and Le Pen at 13%!!! Are the French going to play the same silly game as in the last elections and give high votes to Le Pen the first time around?

One of the big problems last time was the Socialists throwing every politician and their mother up as a candidate, which completely diluted the vote and ensured that Jospin wouldn't make the run off. That handed the presidency to Chirac

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):
It is possible that Chirac will try and maybe even win again, and then after 2 years will resign, making de Villepin his successor. A bit like CDG made Georges Pompidou president in 1968 .

Which would pretty much assure that Royal or another Socialist won the next election

Quoting Frequentflyer (Reply 17):
... No. At all. Sarkozy is anything but an understated fascist. More of an atlantist. That is really cheap leftist propaganda, quite disappointing N112.

An Atlantist? Sarkozy's immigration proposals are nearly as draconian as the crap Le Pen has demanded and his foreign policy seems to favor becoming another Britain

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 21):
-the status of long-time immigrants has to be legalized or they have to be expelled-I tend to agree with Sarkozy on this matter

My problem with Sarkozy's plan is that the latter is what he wants.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 21):
-Banks in France are completely hopeless- they are the pillows of the static way things are handled and profit from monopoly-type economic policies.

They are like that all over. It is something that needs to be handled worldwide

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 21):
-Paris is still the water-head of France -genuine de-centralizd economic or political life is rather an illusion.

And the UK doesn't have that issue with London?

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 21):
-The law system is based on "Napoleon System" -that means you are guilty as long as you don't prove you are innocent.Tons of innocent people stay in jail because of this stupid system -sometimes more than 3 years -without anybody seriously looking into their innocence but rather trying to find proof of guilt.

Complete agreement. Other places that have Code based systems but are part of overall common law countries, Quebec and Louisiana come to mind, meld the idea of innocent until proven guilty and a code quite well.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
t is possible that Chirac will try and maybe even win again, and then after 2 years will resign, making de Villepin his successor. A bit like CDG made Georges Pompidou president in 1968 .
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Which would pretty much assure that Royal or another Socialist won the next election

Maybe. But after such a long time of "bourgeois" rule, a change will be overdue anyway.
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
Banks in France are completely hopeless- they are the pillows of the static way things are handled and profit from monopoly-type economic policies.
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They are like that all over.

exactly. Try to open a bank-account in any foreign bank in Zurich, and there are hundreds of such companies. NONE will accept it, which means that the local majors have a defacto "triopoly". And the situation presumably is not much different elsewhere, in spite of all the "free trade" talk
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
-Paris is still the water-head of France -genuine de-centralizd economic or political life is rather an illusion.
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And the UK doesn't have that issue with London?

Not to the extent of Paris. British companies with domicile in other parts of the country do NOT have "management-offices" in the Capital. There are British transport companies without any office in London but in a dozen other places. No, I think that Paris is THE example of a centralized economy. Look at airlines. Something like BMI would be impossible in France. Check the desks at French airports. You will find maps of Paris, you will find literature about cinemas and restaurants etc in Paris, but NOTHING about the city where you really are. Examples: Mulhouse, Nice, Marseille, Annecy, Lyons, Dinard . To give a difference. Switzerland. Where the Capital is only the 4th or 5th city of the country. Where Zurich, Geneva and Basel share most things of importance. Where the operational HQ of the National Bank is in Zurich, just as the National Museum. Where the European HQ of the UN is in Geneva. Where the Supreme Court just as the IOC are in Lausanne. Or the USA or Australia (Washington/DC or Canberra). True enough, to see the British Capital shifted back to Winchester might be interesting, and France shifting its Capital to Reims or Tonnerre or Auxerre would also signify REAL change !
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
-The law system is based on "Napoleon System" -that means you are guilty as long as you don't prove you are innocent.Tons of innocent people stay in jail because of this stupid system -sometimes more than 3 years -without anybody seriously looking into their innocence but rather trying to find proof of guilt.
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Complete agreement. Other places that have Code based systems but are part of overall common law countries, Quebec and Louisiana come to mind, meld the idea of innocent until proven guilty and a code quite well.

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Most countries in Continental Europe have law systems based on the Code Napoleon, and have the "innocent-until-proven-guilty" principle, and justify this principle exactly with that Code Napoleon. So that I have the impression that somebody in France changed that principle in CONTRADICTION to that code, but possibly in agreement with some political or administrative "requirement".
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25 N1120A : In reality though, all of them have a London base. Stagecoach, First, Arriva, etc. All have a connection to London, even if they claim their head off
26 Banco : Er. No. It has absolutely nothing to do with "government" in the UK, which doesn't remotely get involved in the private sector in the way the French
27 N1120A : And The City developed because of its position within the capital of a unitary system. I realize that the way business is done in the UK is very diff
28 Banco : No, that's not true either. The City of London developed in parallel with the City of Westminster some miles upriver. At the time both became progres
29 N1120A : I realize that In that case, it appears the capital emerged from the financial center. Either way, the emergence of a centralized system remains the
30 Banco : Mmmm, not really. The problem with what you say isn't that the end result isn't true, it's that you imply there was design there. It wasn't so much a
31 N1120A : I still think you under estimate the importance of a capital city in financial terms under a unitary system. Look at places with unitary systems as c
32 Banco : No, you over-estimate the importance of a unitary system and under-estimate the importance of history. If you want to talk about the importance of a
33 ME AVN FAN : You here should explain an important point which for foreigners is strange. The point that the "City of Westminister" includes Soho, Mayfair, Padding
34 N1120A : No, there is no unconditional monarch, however the modern government is still entirely based in London. I actually think it is a little of both, just
35 Post contains images Banco : And? There would have had to be a deliberate decision made over the millennia to site either government or financial centre somewhere else. That just
36 N1120A : Really? Was Germany not an old country that decentralized? Is Iran/Persia not a very old country that moved its capital and financial center more tha
37 Banco : No, it wasn't. It was a collection of independent states that unified in the 19th century. Try looking up "Bismarck". Clue: Not the battleship. Big b
38 ME AVN FAN : - Because it is of interest. When you talk about the City of Westminster you speak about a political entity which in a way is one of the largest citi
39 Post contains images Halls120 : Our resident omnologist is back at work, I see!
40 ME AVN FAN : WHAT is an "omnologist" ?
41 RootsAir : and what's bad about that ????
42 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : Most US-Americans find socialists BAAAD !
43 RootsAir : excatly and I want to know why they think socialists are bad! After all, its great to have social security as an example out of many
44 Beaucaire : She is probabely as much "socialist" like Jaques Lang,Elisabeth Guigou,Dominique Strauss Kahn,Francois Mitterand or any other members of the "Gauche C
45 ME AVN FAN : Many or even a majority of US-Americans think that A) social security is a waste of money, B) that rich people ought to be rewarded for being rich by
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