Seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 8311 posts, RR: 20 Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 755 times:
XM Radio has some tie-in with the new Bond flick "Casino Royale" because on the Movie channel (they play only music from movies) they played all the Bond themes except "Never Say Never Again." I have gone to a local CD store and found a compilation CD of all the Bond themes up to (I think) Goldeneye but "Never Say Never Again" by Lani Hall was not included! I can not find information on why that is. Any theories or true reason why?
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Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 58 Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 749 times:
Quoting Seb146 (Thread starter): I can not find information on why that is. Any theories or true reason why?
Because Never Say Never Again wasn't part of the official Bond franchise, that's why. In terms of "Bond films", it's more or less in the same category as the 1967 spoof of Casino Royale.
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BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 23 Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 739 times:
Quite possibly because Never Say Never Again was not an 'official' Bond film in the true sense (albeit Sean Connery played 007), as it did not come from Eon Productions or United Artists, who effectively are the 'franchise' holders of all rights to James Bond films (other than Casino Royale for which the rights were sold separately but Eon Productions eventually managed to acquire them, hence the recent film).
Never Say Never Again was effectively a remake of Thunderball. As it was not part of the Bond 'franchise', obviously including Michael Legrand's score to the film was a no-no with the compilers for the official Bond soundtracks.
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Virgin744 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 878 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 666 times:
Never Say Never Again was not produced by the famed "Brocolli's", Cubby or Barbara, thus not aquiring the official Bond film status..
Seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 8311 posts, RR: 20 Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 624 times:
Quoting Banco (Reply 1): Because Never Say Never Again wasn't part of the official Bond franchise, that's why. In terms of "Bond films", it's more or less in the same category as the 1967 spoof of Casino Royale.
I thought the title "Casino Royale" sounded familiar! I never watched any of the Bond movies, but I like the theme songs and the opening sequece with the theme songs. Thank you all for explaining that!
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Homer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 20 Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 615 times:
Quoting 707CMF (Reply 3): Actually, I think they never even said "007" in that movie !!!
"007" was mentioned in NSNA, which was allowed, they were barred from using the James Bond theme and the "gunbarrel" sequence that you see at the beginning of all the other Bonds.
This all stemmed from a spat between EON and Kevin McClory, who produced Thunderball and Never Say Never Again. Somewhere in there, he had the rights to SPECTRE and the archenemy Blofeld, which is why it was never mentioned after Diamonds are Forever was release in 1971. In For Your Eyes Only (1981), the pre-title sequence was a little jab at McClory and SPECTRE/Blofeld
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PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 6883 posts, RR: 32 Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 609 times:
Quoting Homer71 (Reply 7): This all stemmed from a spat between EON and Kevin McClory, who produced Thunderball and Never Say Never Again. Somewhere in there, he had the rights to SPECTRE and the archenemy Blofeld, which is why it was never mentioned after Diamonds are Forever was release in 1971. In For Your Eyes Only (1981), the pre-title sequence was a little jab at McClory and SPECTRE/Blofeld
Actually according to one of the Bond encyclopedia books/almanacs, the NSNA project was originally slated to filmed and released some 6 years earlier (along side The Spy Who Loved Me). At the time, TSWLM (one of the original Ian Fleming novels) orignally was supposed to have Blofeld & SPECTRE as the main villan & organization but when word of a unofficial parallel Bond film (w/Connery) was supposedly in the works; the writers for TSWLM revamped the film to eliminate all traces of Blofeld/SPECTRE in favor of the Stromberg (played by Curt Jergens) character.
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Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 601 times:
The reason for the 67 version of Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again is founded in contracts that were signed by Ian Fleming well before Cubby Brocolli showed up and started what we know as the real franchise with Dr. No.
Casino Royale's movie rights were sold in the 50s which ended up making a pretty poor TV movie, and those producers ended up making Casino Royale in 67. Brocolli had no power to object.
Thunderball was actually supposed to be the first ever Bond film. But there was a lot of fighting over the script, there were suits and countersuits between Fleming and the producers, and the whole project ended up being dropped.
Then came Brocolli, and Fleming signed with him for Dr. No, and Thunderball eventually made by Brocolli in 1965.
The original thunderball script was dusted off and used by the producers Fleming had originally signed with in 1959. I find it amazing that they managed to talk Connery into doing it. But they had no other rights to any other Bond scripts, and no hope of making a seperate franchise, so it was strictly a one-off deal using a script out of the cellar.
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