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Purse, Cell Phone Taken From Bush Daughter  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

While dining in a restaurant in Buenos Aires, Barbara Bush, daughter of President George Bush, lost her purse and cellular telephone to a thief who apparently penetrated the cocoon of Secret Service protection around her, a recent news story claims. The loss was initially unnoticed by her personal guards.

In an unrelated incident on the same trip, an off-duty Secret Service officer was badly beaten in a physical altercation the night before while on the town on his own time, the article said.

Combined with a recent mishap involving Air Force One on her father's recent visit to Asia, it seems that the Bushes have had a run of bad luck in the travel department lately. A particularly bad case of the sixth-year jinx?

See:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/11/first_daughter_.html

[Edited 2006-11-22 02:33:20]

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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

I am surprised to hear of this happening. I wonder how many agents will be transferred after this one. in 2003, my workplace was visited by then HHS Sec. Tommy Thompson, he had a single agent with him, he was back several feet the whole time, but within range to do something if he was threatened. But the biggest thing he did was to watch those close to Thompson VERY closely. I wonder if the Bush girls just got a little to liquored up and left the bag and phone in the toilet or something.
Shame to hear about the assault on the other agent. The report went on to say that he is doing fine. But I have also heard as anecdotal stories that the SecService agents get a little wild on thier time off. He must have gotten jumped by a group of people, because I would imagine most agents being able to hold thier own against a single attacker not to mention the pistol they probably carry at all times.
I do have the feeling that we arent getting the whole story on this one.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

I hope the Secret Service has some high-tech means to erase the SIM card. Can you imagine the numbers that are stored on it?

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"Capitol Hill Liquor"

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User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
A particularly bad case of an eight-year jinx?

Fixed  Wink



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

If someone could take something out of the Secret Service ring, couldn't they also put something in?

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7361 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2327 times:
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Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Bushes

are you kidding me?!?!?!!?  eyepopping   boggled 


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4318 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

The bad news about this is that the Argentine municipalities all over the country will now point to the apparent inability of the famed 'US Secret Service', from preventing a robbery to show how hard it is to catch robbers.

Argentina is experiencing a petty theft crimewave for a few years now. Even as the economy has recovered, crime rates tend to lag so while violent crime has decreased, petty theft hasn't as much.

Let's just say here right now it's like the United States in the 1980s, but with less murders.



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User currently offlineLapa_saab340 From Spain, joined Aug 2001, 390 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 6):
Let's just say here right now it's like the United States in the 1980s, but with less murders.

Please, who are you trying to kid...? Kidnappings on the fly, "picketeers" shutting down access roads to the city at will (and the government actually negotiates with them!), an ineffective police force, just to name a few aspects of everyday life in Argentina these days. And the kind of crap that the "barras brava" are pulling with the football matches...simply ludicrous.

I'd be curious to know in what ways you think Argentina resembles the USA in the 1980s?


User currently offlineMarambio From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2004, 1162 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting Lapa_saab340 (Reply 7):

Mr Lapa_saab340, I tend to believe, after reading your nickname, that you are an Argentine expat living somewhere near NYC, or at least somebody who is interested in Argentina - not many outsiders know MJ had Saabs over a decade ago.

Now, I don't really know when was the last time you visited Argentina. Things look quite different from abroad. Media usually exaggerates everything, and may cause you have the impression everything is wrong.

I for one live in Buenos Aires, and I know how things are doing.

Quoting Lapa_saab340 (Reply 7):
Kidnappings on the fly

Certainly not on the fly. I walk through the streets of this city every day and every night, and I have yet to be kidnapped (knock on wood). There have been several cases of express kidnappings, i. e. a bunch of thieves getting into your car, make you drive to the nearest ATM and withdraw some money for them. It sucks, you bet it does, but how come "on the fly"? As for the extreme cases, some have occured in the city outskirts (watched by corrupt Bonaerense Police), not in the area The First Daugther was visiting, that is full-of-tourist-thus-extremely-watched-by-the-police San Telmo.

Quoting Lapa_saab340 (Reply 7):
"picketeers" shutting down access roads to the city at will (and the government actually negotiates with them!)

That has nothing to do with insecurity whatsoever. Not only are your remarks off-topic, but also may be seen differently from other points of view.


Quoting Lapa_saab340 (Reply 7):
an ineffective police force

Effective in some areas, ineffective in others. Don't generalize, please.

Quoting Lapa_saab340 (Reply 7):
just to name a few aspects of everyday life in Argentina these days.

How come a guy from New York City can tell either Derico or me, who live our everyday life in Argentina, what it looks like? Are you one of those who think that "los militares mataban, desaparecían y todo lo que quieras, pero cuando salías a la calle estabas tranquilo y nadie te afanaba"?  Yeah sure

 redflag  for you, Mr Lapa_saab340.

I stand by Derico on this one. It is sad this has happened not only because it was Bush Jr, but because some people will now start diverting attention from the real insecurity problem and start focusing on how the CIA can't do a minor job properly.

Saludos,
Marambio



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User currently offlineDoor5right From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 707 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
a recent mishap involving Air Force One on her father's recent visit to Asia

What happened to Air Force One?



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1889 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 1):
not to mention the pistol they probably carry at all times.

Off-duty and on a foreign country?

No way.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4318 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Quoting Lapa_saab340 (Reply 7):
Please, who are you trying to kid...? Kidnappings on the fly, "picketeers" shutting down access roads to the city at will (and the government actually negotiates with them!), an ineffective police force, just to name a few aspects of everyday life in Argentina these days. And the kind of crap that the "barras brava" are pulling with the football matches...simply ludicrous.

The picketeers and the protesting are a different matter, unrelated to crime whatsoever and you know it.

If we are going to talk about them and the fact that 2 people in Argentina, if they so choose, can inconvenience millions, we won't disagree there. It is sickening to see the level of allowance, in no other country in the world would they allow such protests to go on and on like here. It's ridiculous.
And I don't agree with it. Same with the barrabravas which are part of the same phenomenon.

However, the only thing that should be pointed is that in Argentina many still have huge reservations about the police, because of the 1970s. So anything even close to 'active' policing in this country (like even scattering crowds), is immediately called 'repressive', whereas in any other country it is called 'enforcing the law'.

You know that is true.

As for crime, I stand by my statement. I was the first one to mention the high crime rate here, yet it is still low for Latin America and in fact, for world wide averages, and yes even to the US in the 1980s. The murder rate is about 7 per 100,000 in the country. Check the murder rate for Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, Peru, and most of the world. It is well in double digits and even triple digits. In the US back in 1991 it was 35 per 100,000, which was about the average in the 1980s. Do a quick google search and these stats are readily available. If that was the murder rate in Argentina, there would have been a revolution two years ago.

If you watch the Argentine media which has been hyper-sensatioanist since I have any memories, about everything (just look what they have done with the Pulp Mill situation with Uruguay, if you need anymore proof), then you will get really incomplete impressions. With all the tourists in Argentina these days, how come there has been so few really serious 'incidents', besides the occassional robbery or 'delugaggeing' of a bus?

Are there lots of things wrong? For sure, but some sense of objectivity is required. Go to travel webpages like Lonely Planet and Conde Nest, most tourists in Argentina have no problems walking at 3am in the streets of any city.

Just take the precautions you would do in any large city, and don't venture into the poorer areas, and you are fine.



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4318 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

Just to add, the girl was robbed in San Telmo well into the night, and the Secret Service was half a block away.

San Telmo is not unsafe by any means, but it is a bit 'dodgier' at night certainly compared to other areas of town like Palermo, Recoleta, Soho Sur, Belgrano, Coghlan, etc, even Monserrat. At least to what people in BA tell me, mostly because San Telmo it's close to La Boca and Barracas, which are fine in the day, but avoidable at night.

Yet look how much 'space' the US police gave. They had been in the country for almost a month, without no one even noticing. I think what happened is that they got overly relaxed, after the other countries they had been into. So the girl left her purse on the floor far away from her, from what I understand, and it dissapeared.

If that's the case, that will happen in Norway and Liberia too. Many tourists visit Argentina or other areas in Latin America, and they become extremely careless here, even more than they would do even back home. I've heard it before.



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User currently offlineLapa_saab340 From Spain, joined Aug 2001, 390 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Derico
I agree with you in that generally things are in better shape than most of Latin America. You also mentioned one of (in my opinion) biggest problems you have over there, the tolerance the general population appears to have for this sort of thing.

Marambio
Yes sir, I am an expat living abroad. I can also remember MJ's 340s when they first arrived back in the 80s Smile

As far as my perception of things over there, most of it is derived from many good friends and some family I still have over there. I rarely take the media very seriously, since they do sensionalize everything.

Perhaps you are referring to conditions in "Capital", where is most of the tourists will be concentrated anyway. You live there, and any precautions you might take from day to day are just part of everyday life for you, while somebody coming from abroad is not used to that.

About the crime and kidnappings...I'd say it's a very disturbing trend. We're not talking about prominent people known to be very wealthy, but just your average everyday middle class Joe. Talking to people over there, it seems like it has become another accepted fact of life. One friend's family in fact moved to a protected, gated community...some fine affair, good honest people moving behind bars to protect themselves.

The comment on the barrasbrava and picketeers is not related to crime (although the kind of shit they are pulling really IS criminal), but I use it more to illustrate the kind of "everything goes" attitude that seems to be accepted over there.

I'm not pretending to tell YOU how things are in the city you live in. I'm merely giving you an outsiders view on things that are seriously messed up over there but that appears to be accepted now by the population as just another aspect of everyday life.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

If this so called incident was such a big deal, why didn't the mainstream media report it, instead of being posted on a blog?

User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):
If this so called incident was such a big deal, why didn't the mainstream media report it,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6171600.stm



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Looks like the story is finally getting some print, in the San Francisco and Orlando papers, but still haven't seen the story in the Washington Post, NY Times or CNN. Maybe its because the annual holiday travel story is bigger, yea right. Almost can set your calender by the holidays and the press. Always a story about the people traveling, then another about the police on DUI patrol, meanwhile some big get slipped under the radar.

User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4318 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting Lapa_saab340 (Reply 13):
About the crime and kidnappings...I'd say it's a very disturbing trend. We're not talking about prominent people known to be very wealthy, but just your average everyday middle class Joe. Talking to people over there, it seems like it has become another accepted fact of life. One friend's family in fact moved to a protected, gated community...some fine affair, good honest people moving behind bars to protect themselves.

Well, compared to the time before the 1980s, sure, it's a lot worse. And the disturbing trend has already occured. But back then there was literally, zero crime in Argentina. Far, far lower than in the rest of the region, far lower than in the US, and lower than in most of Europe.

Now it's higher than in Europe, slightly above the US, but still lower than in most of Latin America. That is the big change. Then again, the military ran things for a few of those 'safe' years. So it's probably a combination of more 'freedom', more inequality, and just more people disregarding the law.

Crime increased slightly in the 80s, a lot in the 90s, and skyrocketed in the 2001-2002 period. It's now in a plateau, with many rates down, and a few stable. At least, I guess, it's not rising anylonger.

For argentines that remember a time when they could leave doors unlocked, today thing seem out of control, but in the overall worlwide scheme of things, you know. I don't know if that's speaks badly about the rest of the world, or about Argentina. Probably both?



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
I hope the Secret Service has some high-tech means to erase the SIM card. Can you imagine the numbers that are stored on it?

"Daddy's Office"

Back during the Bush I administration I was about to start an an internship on Capitol Hill. At the same time, my father's company was looking for a new building and hired Jeb Bush's real estate firm in Miami to be their real estate agent.

My father mentioned that I was about to begin my internship to the realtor who then mentioned it to Jeb who happened to pop into the real estate closing. Jeb wrote a number on the back of his business card and handed it to my father saying, "If your son needs anything while he's in DC, please have him call this number and tell them that he's a friend of mine."

That night when dad came home we called the number. "White House operations may I help you?" was the response. Not knowing what to do, we hung up.

Not thirty seconds later, our house phone rang. "Mr. ______, this Agent XXXXX with the US Secret Service is everything ok?"

We explained what happened and the agent was very gratious but told us not to play around with that number unless there was a real problem.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Ok, she got her purse stolen...careless, I tell ya. But its her own damn fault, she didnt pay attention to her own crap.


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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 18):
We explained what happened and the agent was very gratious but told us not to play around with that number unless there was a real problem.

It's always nice to have friends in high places, and your story, I think, is proof of that fact. Just imagine: Assuming that the number is still valid, you could be anywhere in the world with telephone access, and it would seem quite possible that the Secret Service could be made aware of just exactly where if you were to simply call it. It would be an interesting back-up in urgent circumstances under which the local U.S. Embassy proved less than helpful.

[Edited 2006-11-28 15:42:19]

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