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Israelis Admit Stealing Palestinian Land  
User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5678 posts, RR: 32
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...p3?ca=33&si=1728350&issue_id=14916

You need a password to accesss the article, and I can´t paste the entire piece for copyright reasons, but here is an excerpt:

"ALMOST 40pc of the land used by Israel for its settlements in the occupied West Bank is the private property of Palestinians.

The Israeli organisation Peace Now made the revelation yesterday on the basis of leaked official maps and other data.

Contrary to official claims that the land used for settlements is state-owned and that private property is only seized temporarily for security reasons, the leak shows that privately owned Palestinian land has been repeatedly used to build and expand settlements."

This is the core of the problem in the Middle East, and until it is solved there will never be peace.

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User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Hmmm.... funny how no one is responding to this thread from our Pro-Israeli A.netters

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Quoting EK156 (Reply 1):

Consider the source and the source of the source . . . .

Have a nice day.

Thanks for playing.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/790934.html

accept this source?



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13553 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1742 times:
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Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
"ALMOST 40pc of the land used by Israel for its settlements in the occupied West Bank is the private property of Palestinians.

The Israeli organisation Peace Now made the revelation yesterday on the basis of leaked official maps and other data.

Contrary to official claims that the land used for settlements is state-owned and that private property is only seized temporarily for security reasons, the leak shows that privately owned Palestinian land has been repeatedly used to build and expand settlements."

Naturally, the only logical thing to do in response is to have 12 year olds strap backpacks full of explosives and ball bearings to their bodies so they can detonate themselves in shopping malls.

See? When your mind is warped enough, you can justify just about anything... duck 



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):

Are you implying that Israel has not stolen land or that this is disputed??

This is not news. Follow Middle Eastern news sources including Israeli ones, and your'll hear talk of Apartheid and Bandstands. Israel is proud of what it has done and only wants to steal more.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 4):
See? When your mind is warped enough, you can justify just about anything...

Agreed, like when one's mind is wrapped around the memories of say the Holocaust, its easy to justify the ethnic cleansing of millions who had nothing to do with it.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13553 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1729 times:
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I think the solution is to have an independent Israel and independent Palestine with clearly defined borders - with Jerusalem being designated an "International Free Zone" where neither side can claim ownership of it.

And then both sides need to go to Home Depot, get some lumber and start "building that bridge"...  Wink



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):
Are you implying that Israel has not stolen land or that this is disputed??

Saw the source, believed the source, and then remembered that the anti-Israel side never discussed this issue. Let's see if I can place this in a clear light.

- The West Bank territory is not Israel, well known and accepted
- Any land Israel occupies in the West Bank (or Gaza) is 'occupied', or in another words, stolen.

But for you anti-Israel people, your point has always been THAT THE ENTIRE TERRITORY OF ISRAEL WAS 'STOLEN'.

So now that we are in agreement that Israel stole territory from the West Bank, why don't you give us your opinion on whether the rest of recognized territory of Israel is also stolen. That way, we will know exactly where your opinions lie, instead of these little insinuations.


User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 7):
Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):
Are you implying that Israel has not stolen land or that this is disputed??

Saw the source, believed the source, and then remembered that the anti-Israel side...

I have been on this forum for many years. I see except of my post followed by you addressing the 'Anti-Israeli side'. I can only assume it maybe directed at me. Why don't you show me a link to ANY of my posts proving me anti-Israeli, feel free to spend hours. When you do, we'll talk.
And though I can't speak for others, just for my information, I wouldn't mind you quoting ANY post proving anyone anti-Israeli.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):

Are you implying that Israel has not stolen land or that this is disputed??

Nope, I questioned the source . . .

Rather like relying on Amnesty International to give an accurate picture of GitMo, or the ACLU to give an accurate account of what really happened on ANY issue, or FOX News to be "Fair and Balanced".

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Peace Now

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Now


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 7):
So now that we are in agreement that Israel stole territory from the West Bank, why don't you give us your opinion on whether the rest of recognized territory of Israel is also stolen. That way, we will know exactly where your opinions lie, instead of these little insinuations.

I don't know how many times I, for one, have said that Israel should withdraw to the pre-1967 borders. This would include return of the Golan Heights, the Shebaa Farms, all areas settled since 1967, and the west bank of the Jordan River itself; and the placing of the City of Jerusalem under international administration as envisaged by the original UN Resolution.

There is no reasonable doubt that agreement to those terms would lead to immediate recognition of the State of Israel by all its Arab neighbours, including Palestine.

So, AndesSMF, do you agree that that is the way to go forward and end the trouble in the region?



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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5678 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Rather like relying on Amnesty International to give an accurate picture of GitMo, or the ACLU to give an accurate account of what really happened on ANY issue, or FOX News to be "Fair and Balanced".

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Peace Now

Haven´t time to read the whole piece ANC as I´m on a hotel computer and limited to 20 mins at a time, but I don´t have a problem with Peace Now being the source of information. I´d probably put more store in it than government propaganda.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 11):

Rest assured, it's not YOU I distrust . . . not at all . . . rather the source of the report . . . as I said, reminds me of Amesty Int'l etc . . . so no affront to you personally . . .


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

For once and for all in this forum - even "Arab" defenders here do not support terrorist attacks ,civilian killings,denial on the right of existence for Israel...
As far as I read participants speaking in favour of manageable peace,they all agree on :
-as long as you persist in maintaining misery for Palestinians by denying them a life-worthy state with enough land and water ,infrastructure and free access,things will not change
-reduce by (international ) political pressure extremist influence on both sides
-stop violating history one-sided to the benefit to one community

I would like to add that religion has never been a good adviser for settling any conflicts.All the mess in the region is -primarily-based on a rather religious interpretation of history books.
But religion is an intangible ,virtual issue-loaded full with emotions but no real proof of existence.
Each side interprets history books they find in-line with their believes.



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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Consider the source and the source of the source . . . .

Until you people recognise that you may sometimes be wrong... there will be war.

Like bob marley said...

Until
The philosophy
Which holds one race superior
And another
Inferior
Is finally
And permanently
Discredited
And abandoned
Everywhere is War
Me say war
...

(Bob Marley - War)

Yes the palestinian are not inferior - they are not liars and you right - they are not criminals and you flawless...

Start by acknowledging that the regime that you support in Israel can commit crimes. The truth is never White and Black. It's Gray.

At the end of the story, both people would have committed crimes and wrongdoings. No one is innocent.

Thank you USA for your civilisation. I am taking the time to write this post and all other similar posts because of my love for civilisation that the US and Europe brought to the world and I hope one day the USA and Israel will be have the courage to look at their mistakes and be wise and set the example when it comes to preserving peace.



rolf
User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1946 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 14):

Great post. That about sums it up.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Rather like relying on Amnesty International to give an accurate picture of GitMo

Why do you keep harping on about Amnesty and HRW etc.?
These human rights groups (Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, B'Tselem, etc.) are exactly the sources I DO trust. They tend to condemn everyone who violates human rights, and have pretty clear cross-cultural guidelines on what constitutes such violations.

I have done work in human rights, my wife has done more. I can easliy say that these groups are offering the reliable reports, while official government reports (from ANY government) are FAR less reliable, as there is much more pressure on what should be found. I'm not saying that any source is 100% reliable. In fact, I think EVERY source (and every person) has some agenda, some angle, and a healthy balance of perspectives is always called for. But still, these are among the strongest sources.

In short, watchdog agencies (which include Peace Now) are realy essential, and I find it quite terrifying that there are so many people who want to protect any authority figure or official line from questioning, rather than working toward justice.

Can you give me an example of Amnesty distorting facts? (And not from some government propaganda counterclaim...)

And what is the Wikipedia entry on Peace Now supposed to show, aside from the fact that they have moved in from the left over recent years (even supporting the Lebanon invasion, etc.)? Please do explain that one...



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

There will not be peace in the Middle East until the Arabs give up their desire to wipe Israel off the map. This conflict is not about land, and has never been about land. It's about the existence of a Jewish state. The Arabs/Palestinians have been given opportunity after opportunity to form their own state and have the entire Western world assist them, but they have turned it down time and time again.

Just within the past year alone, Ehud Olmert was elected on a platform of pulling out of the West Bank (aka doing what several posters here suggested, returning most of the land occupied after 1967) and what did the Palestinians do? Launched thousands of rockets into Israel from Gaza (which is now free from the supposed cause of all problems in the world, "Israeli occupation")


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 14):
Until you people recognise that you may sometimes be wrong... there will be war.

Who the hell is "You People"??? Sounds like a disease or something.

Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):
Why do you keep harping on about Amnesty and HRW etc.?

Because they SUCK! Theere is but one agenda, find fault where there is probably none. Unless some piece of shit scumbag terrorist assholeis living in the Taj Mahal every day with A/C and room service blah blah blah then everything else is dicke up. Those prisoners at GitMo for example . . . living better as far as accomodation, meals, petc than they ever have . . . it's high time we got them the hell out of there if course . . . but those frackin' wackos from Amensty or anyo other bleeding heart organization won't see that.

Does that answer the question for you  sarcastic 

Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):
you give me an example of Amnesty distorting facts? (And not from some government propaganda counterclaim...)

I suppose I could , but based on this, why the hell bother . . . .

Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):
have done work in human rights, my wife has done more.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 16):
Ehud Olmert was elected on a platform of pulling out of the West Bank (aka doing what several posters here suggested, returning most of the land occupied after 1967)

Not even 'most', RJPieces, 'some'. And NOT including East Jerusalem, the area occupied by illegal settlements, the Jordan bank (and water rights), or the main roads. Effectively, all that the Palestinians have ever been offered is a series of 'reservations' with Israel controlling the water, the most fertile land, the roads, all means of contact with the outside world, and even communication between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Plus holding on the the Golan and Shebaa.

Ever since WW2 it's been an established international principle that no nation should be allowed to acquire and hold on to territory seized by military force. I see no reason why Israel should be granted an exemption from that cardinal priniciple.



"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
Because they SUCK!

Yeah, that group that aims at helping the unfortunate, the underdogs, the poor, and those without civil rights sure sucks.

get your head out of rush limbaugh's ass.


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1946 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
I suppose I could , but based on this, why the hell bother . . . .

Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):
have done work in human rights, my wife has done more.

 sarcastic  Because someone is (God forbid) concerned with human rights makes it not worth bothering to argue with them?

Let's just turn this around: if you don't believe in a universal standard of human rights, on what do you base your ideas about good and evil? What makes a war just or unjust? Might makes right? Anyone presumed guilty of being on the "other side" can be treated any way you want at any time?

Terrifying.

And yet I know you don't think this. You are (rightfully) hard on bad soldiers, torture, flawed policy etc. when you admit it occurs. The issue is that if anyone claims that it might be occurring on a larger scale than you want to believe, or in a place you don't want to believe it is happening, or by people you want to like, you don't want to hear it...

Gitmo is a tangent here, but since it seems to be at the heart of your burning hatred of human rights watchdog groups, I would add that it is not contradictory to say that in some ways prisoners have been treated well at Gitmo, and in other ways they have been treated inexcusably (largely because of policies based on the presumption of guilt even though the prisoners were captured in haphazard ways and thrown together as "terrorists.") If we cannot hold ourselves to the standards we claim to be fighting for in a "war on terror," then how can anyone take any moral ground at all?

______________________________

RJpieces, there are elements of Arab populations that will never accept Israel's existence. And there are elements in Israel that will never accept less than "greater Israel." The extremists on both sides currently wield too much power because weak leadership has played into their hands--and because in the rest of the world, people find it easier to unite in solidarity with the enemy of their imagined enemy (no matter how unsavory) rather than to consider the situation from a more balanced perspective.

And much of your post is utter and complete  redflag  as Nav20 points out. If Israel continues to "generously" pull out of certain areas in a showy display to the US while continuing and accelerating its taking and settlement of the best (and most strategically located) land, and retaining overall control of access and vital resources, you can honestly wonder why their plans are not seen as fair and peaceful by the people living there?

Only an outside broker can exert enough pressure on both sides that a compromise can be set in motion, and gradually gain momentum.



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

Palestinians sold their lands to Israelis in 30s , 40s, 50s... Quid Pro Quo kind of deal. Went away, lost their money somewhere, came back and started demanding their lands back. Well in this case there were no refunds, it's not like you bought a desk from IKEA, so than they decided to take it back by force and that's how it all started...




User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

Oh my!

Now bring it on!


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
and the placing of the City of Jerusalem under international administration as envisaged by the original UN Resolution.

According to the Israeli Government, it can never happen, as Israel believes Jerusalem is "eternally" Israel's. That is why it wants the United States Govt. to move its foreing embassy there from Tel Aviv...

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 13):
For once and for all in this forum - even "Arab" defenders here do not support terrorist attacks ,civilian killings,denial on the right of existence for Israel...

 checkmark ...but that's unfortunately not how the media portrays it as...

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):

This is not news. Follow Middle Eastern news sources including Israeli ones, and your'll hear talk of Apartheid and Bandstands. Israel is proud of what it has done and only wants to steal more.

 checkmark 

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 7):
But for you anti-Israel people, your point has always been THAT THE ENTIRE TERRITORY OF ISRAEL WAS 'STOLEN'.

Ummm..even if that were true (which I think it is, but that's not the point), the fact of the matter is Israel exists, its established by laws in the United Nation and must be respected...

The Arab nations need to understand this.....some are..that is why Egypt and Jordan have treaties, flights, business, etc. to Israel. Even Dubai does business with Israel. The President of Pakistan Musharaff has stated that he believes Pakistan should acknowledge the country of Israel.

If this conflict could somehow end, more countries would have ties with Israel.

Quoting N229NW (Reply 15):
These human rights groups (Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, B'Tselem, etc.) are exactly the sources I DO trust. They tend to condemn everyone who violates human rights, and have pretty clear cross-cultural guidelines on what constitutes such violations.

 checkmark ...I find the Human Rights Groups to be the most fair and balanced...they don't hesitate to critisize any side...

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 16):
There will not be peace in the Middle East until the Arabs give up their desire to wipe Israel off the map.

Talk about a blanket statement... sarcastic ...

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
Theere is but one agenda,

Which is?

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 18):
Not even 'most', RJPieces, 'some'. And NOT including East Jerusalem, the area occupied by illegal settlements, the Jordan bank (and water rights), or the main roads. Effectively, all that the Palestinians have ever been offered is a series of 'reservations' with Israel controlling the water, the most fertile land, the roads, all means of contact with the outside world, and even communication between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Plus holding on the the Golan and Shebaa.

 checkmark ..the media never tells this small, yet crucial part of the story..

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 19):
get your head out of rush limbaugh's ass.

 rotfl 

Quoting N229NW (Reply 20):
RJpieces, there are elements of Arab populations that will never accept Israel's existence. And there are elements in Israel that will never accept less than "greater Israel." The extremists on both sides currently wield too much power because weak leadership has played into their hands--and because in the rest of the world, people find it easier to unite in solidarity with the enemy of their imagined enemy (no matter how unsavory) rather than to consider the situation from a more balanced perspective.

 checkmark ...



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
Who the hell is "You People"??? Sounds like a disease or something.

Well I was thinking about you and people who think like you  Yeah sure
I consider that amnesty international is a very reliable source...
but anyway...regardless... fact is hundreds of fortified israeli settlement are built over palestinian soil, and if that's not occupation then what is it...



rolf
25 Rolfen : Do you really think palestinian want to wipe israel off the map? They're past that. Apart from some extremists who might be getting too much attentio
26 Rufruf : To the Original post... Whats your point ? Do you hate whats wrong with the world ? Or do you just post your personnel bitches ? Let's change it. Some
27 RJpieces : Yes. Not all, but most. If Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands is the source of the conflict, then why have the Palestinians launched/allowed the
28 Post contains images Cedars747 : Must be a mistake.............Israel has been doing many mistakes lately Alex!!!
29 RJdxer : Gotta protect those sources of revenue. That's what it's all about. If your very job depends on the charity of others they'll blast whomever gets men
30 Damirc : We're talking about the West Bank here ... So are you herewith saying that fighting for land is legal? D.
31 Post contains images QR332 : Whether you like it or not, the State of Israel today exists on land that was stolen from Palestinian Arabs whom they ethnically cleansed; where do y
32 RJdxer : Yep you're both right that 6 day war was nothing. Just because the Israelis fought of 3 arab armies........
33 Post contains images AndesSMF : ANC, I have found by reading what Amnesty International itself publishes (Not HRW) and have found them to be unbiased. As Jacobin pointed out, they h
34 QR332 : What happened in Arab countries other than Palestine is irrelevant to me as a Palestinian, us Palestinians did not do that to them and hence it has a
35 AndesSMF : OK, you are correct about that one. I would have to disagree in some ways, but that is probably another discussion. That there have been many complai
36 Bravo45 : I am waiting for your response.
37 Post contains images Rolfen : I'm not gonna challenge you on your sources because I dont have any reliable sources either but I consider it common sense to assume that all what pe
38 Aleksandar : Not too long ago, Arab League offered to acknowledge Israel if Israel dismantles its settlements from the West Bank and Gaza and when the state of Pa
39 Gunsontheroof : Funny how this escapes any mention whatsoever in the U.S. Well played...any waves in Israel over this? While I agree with your basic point, I think y
40 RJpieces : Because it isn't true? Americans aren't foolish enough to think that a small dispute between Israelis and Palestinians is the core problem in a regio
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