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Deciding The Rest Of My Life......  
User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Well, its time for college picks, majors, minors, all that jazz. Her are the majors I am interested in, and the colleges I am after.


Majors:
Aerospace Engingeering
Flight Training
Economics ( I know its nerdy, but I love it and Im good!)
Political Science
International Affairs

Minors:
Arabic or Hebrew
Economics
International Affairs
Flight Training


Universitys: (in no order)
University of Florida
Renssalaer Polytechnic Institute
ERAU
American University in Paris (or London, preferably, if there is one)
Norwegian University of Science and Technology(or whatever its called)
MIT
Any good colleges for the above in England?

Now, I want to be a pilot for BA (ultimate goal) or to be an economist (2nd choice, but I do love economics, although I couldnt give up a life in the cockpit!!)

Comments suggestions additions, anything interesting you want to mention?

Cheers,
Kyle

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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Just pick one, if you're unhappy, change the major or minor, I started off with a Criminology/Sociology double major, then I didn't like it, so I switched to a Sociology major and Earth Sciences minor. You're young, and you have time to experiment a bit.

It sounds like you're interested in flight, so if I were you I'd likely choose the flight options with the economics minor, that way if you can't become a pilot maybe airline management is feasible.


User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

Do yourself a favor and if you're of the caliber to get into an economics program at a place like MIT or even American Uni, stay away from airplanes.

User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 1):
It sounds like you're interested in flight, so if I were you I'd likely choose the flight options with the economics minor, that way if you can't become a pilot maybe airline management is feasible.

now thats an idea, but i want to stay in the cockpit.

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 2):
Do yourself a favor and if you're of the caliber to get into an economics program at a place like MIT or even American Uni, stay away from airplanes.

I would, trust me, I know how they pay, how they work you, but i really love more than anything, its my passion, economics is just an extremely devoted hobby (however far economics can be a hobby).

Theres no way ill stay away from airplanes, ill; fly someway or another.

thanks for the advice.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently onlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1991 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Well i am taking a two year aviation program right now. I love flying and have never considered another career. I want to be a pilot for the rest of my life and thus i am taking that, if you want to fly it is an amazing carreer, not good paying for the first few years but once the ball gets rollings its not bad. Just be cations about having some time away from the family. Good luck making your decision.

Cheers Chris



Keep the shinny side up!
User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 1):

It sounds like you're interested in flight, so if I were you I'd likely choose the flight options with the economics minor, that way if you can't become a pilot maybe airline management is feasible.

I'd switch that up.

Economics major... with a minor in flight-ops. Any Joe-Blow can get an economics minor, and you won't be valuable to a company unless you have a 4yr.

I got my 4yr from BU in Economics. And look at me now - I am a dumb GI punk in Iraq. ...but whenever I leave the Army, I will have a huge safety net with that degree.

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):
Renssalaer Polytechnic Institute

My sister goes there. This is her first year. She said it's very tough, but a very exciting school. My brother (her twin) is going to Texas A&M as a corps cadet. From what little I've talked to him - I guess it's unbelievably challenging.

If you're going to go to schools of these caliber - then do what FSPilot suggests:

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 2):
Do yourself a favor and if you're of the caliber to get into an economics program at a place like MIT or even American Uni, stay away from airplanes.

Make the cockpit your passion/hobby... not your office.

-UH60


User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

hmmmm....so what im hearing is that i would do well getting my masters in economics, become extremely rich, buy a jet, and fly all over the world (giving free rides to a.nutters, naturally) to do my business?

that sounds manageable

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Pick a degree that you find interesting and then think about the business side second. Just having a degree is great, but the degree itself does not lock you into a field.

I hate to say it, but this is not a choice that decides the rest of your life. I have changed directions about four times since I received my degree and am making far more that my counterparts who decided to stay in their field. of course I have no family to take care of so I can afford higher risk. Ill probably quit everything in a year to pursue an MBA and possibly a Doctorate.

In other words, do what makes you happy cause nothing else really matters.

One little stipulation. If your life dream is something like being a medical doctor, veterinarian or something that takes 8 years to obtain your degree, then your degree does matter very much...but I'm sure you know this.

[Edited 2006-11-28 07:22:30]

User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):
Flight Training

I thought of having a major like this too, but I kept getting asked what would happen if I did not have a flying job. What would I do? All of my training would be in flying. I needed a degree in a field where getting and keeping a job would be possible and I chose Aerospace Engineering because it is something I wanted to do. The aviation industry is a weird place for pilots. A better choice than going to college for flying would be the military. You have probably heard this but it is a valuable option. It would not be easy (ask UH60), but you seem up for a challenge.

Engineering and Economics are degrees that have many choices. You say you want to do economics, but have you thought about a management degree? Some colleges now offer an Engineering Management degree, combining the two. You learn engineering and management, your elective classes can be in the area of engineering you prefer, e.g. Aerospace, and the math courses taken are more difficult than those in a normal Management degree.

But listen to the more experienced members here and pick something you really want to do. I think that if you really want it, you will try harder to get it. Also important, HAVE FUN!! (Not too much though.)  Wink


User currently offlineBrownBat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 8):
I thought of having a major like this too, but I kept getting asked what would happen if I did not have a flying job. What would I do? All of my training would be in flying. I needed a degree in a field where getting and keeping a job would be possible and I chose Aerospace Engineering because it is something I wanted to do.

AirTranTUS, in theory it may be true but your degree is useless if you don't use it. A lot of pilots who leave for personal reasons or are furloughed don't usually go back to the area they studied in college. Most end up in non technical fields, like business, sales, retail. Don't get me wrong, get a degree by all means but don't expect for it to be of much use to a pilot except to get to a better airline.

Speedbird747, DO NOT choose an aviation related degree, it is useless and it's basically a waste of time. Aerospace Engineering has NOTHING to do with being a pilot. You either want to design planes or be the one flying them, it's pointless to have both. Just because you want to be a pilot does not mean you have to study how to be one for 4 years, meaning no Aviation management/training degrees either.


What I recommend although it looks like you're not much of a science person, is Chemistry/Biology. Those are the fields of the future and if end up not flying, a job is almost guaranteed if you have a Bio/Chem degree. Oh and also DO NOT go to an aviation college. That's worse than getting an aviation degree because the whole school is just about aviation. One fact you might not think about is that most college students change their majors multiple times, what you feel like doing now may not be the case next year. Therefore stay away from aviation schools and try to go to a place that offers many fields and opportunities.


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4714 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (8 years 22 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):
Flight Training



Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):
Arabic or Hebrew

might raise some questions  Wink.



For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and ther
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 20 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):
University of Florida

Greatest University on Earth!

Come to UF, major in Eco and Accounting (take the 5 year M.Acc degree because you'll need it for the CPA). The UF M.Acc program is one of the best acct programs in the country. You'll have more job offers than you'll know what to do with. In fact most UF M.Acc students have multiple job offers 2 or 3 years before graduation (your junior year of the 5 year program).

You can then go work in i-banking as a low level research analyst or as a consultant at a Big 4 accounting firm. Go back after 2-3 years to get your MBA and you are now set.


User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 14 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Quoting BrownBat (Reply 9):
What I recommend although it looks like you're not much of a science person, is Chemistry/Biology.

I do like chemistry quite a bit, but i cant stand bio.

Quoting Pope (Reply 11):
Greatest University on Earth!

I agree!

If i would be an economist, i wouldnt want to do accounting or anything like that, i would want to analyze the global marketplace and make predictions, do research on it, not just deal with money.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 14 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 12):
If i would be an economist, i wouldnt want to do accounting or anything like that, i would want to analyze the global marketplace and make predictions, do research on it, not just deal with money.

I got an accounting and an economics degree, spent 4 years in Big 5 accounting and did exclusively international merger and acquisition structuring. The accounting degree will give you a really good understanding of what drives an organization.

Given the ability for numbers to be manipulated under GAAP, it's crucial to have a really good understanding of what you're looking at. It's hard to make predictions when you're starting with flawed assumptions.

A good understanding of accounting means you understand precisely how an organization operates.

If you haven't already done so, you might want to check out the book Freakenomics. It seems like it would be right up your alley. Good luck and GO GATORS!


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21801 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (8 years 14 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):
ERAU

 no   no   no   no   no 

If you want to fly for BA, I'd look into what they require and go after those. However, don't derail yourself from a path that you'd like to take just to set yourself up to fly for BA - they may not hire you and then you'd be screwed. If you can integrate that with economics, go for it, but otherwise I'd avoid narrowing down too early.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 13 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 13):
If you haven't already done so, you might want to check out the book Freakenomics.

Freakonomics and The World is Flat (or Tom Friedman in anything, really) was what really first got me into economics.

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
If you want to fly for BA, I'd look into what they require and go after those. However, don't derail yourself from a path that you'd like to take just to set yourself up to fly for BA - they may not hire you and then you'd be screwed. If you can integrate that with economics, go for it, but otherwise I'd avoid narrowing down too early.

2 things here:
1) there are only 3 airlines i would ever consider flying for, if i dont get these 3 then i walk away (BA, EK, CX)

2) Also, i sent BA an email about what they looked for in their potential pilots, but they sent me back an email saying they wouldnt give me information on a personal basis.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 13 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

One more thing. You might want to look at the Santa Fe CC aviation program. As you may know SFCC is in Gainesville and it offers a relatively low cost aviation AA. Google it for more info.

User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21801 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (8 years 13 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 15):
2 things here:
1) there are only 3 airlines i would ever consider flying for, if i dont get these 3 then i walk away (BA, EK, CX)

2) Also, i sent BA an email about what they looked for in their potential pilots, but they sent me back an email saying they wouldnt give me information on a personal basis.

In reference to number 1, understand that your first flying job will not be for BA, EK or CX, unless you can get into their ab-initio training program (which I'm not sure they have). You'll have to put in some time at another smaller carrier (or larger carrier in the case of EK or CX) before you become hirable.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineBrettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 13 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Choose something that makes you happy, if you don't enjoy something, its very hard to motivate yourself to do it.

Like you my dream is to be a pilot, I thought the best way to achieve this was to get do an Aerospace Engineering degree. Yea...I dropped out pretty quick! I just couldn't stand the constant boring maths and I knew that I wouldn't be able to motivate myself to do something that gave me no enjoyment....especially for 4 years.

So now I'm taking a year out to just experience life a bit and am going back next year to study International Relations, something I find interesting.

Also, if you have the grades, London School Of Economics is a very highly regarded school for Economics and Political Sciences, although I've read that it's the most selective Uni in England.

Many airlines that I looked at about becoming a pilot recommended (British qualifications) A-levels in Maths, Physics and Economics so a degree in any should be great. For general graduate jobs getting good honours in a degree is usually more important than the degree they are achieved in. Most ask for 2:1 and a above in the UK.

For those not from UK it goes:

1st class honours
2:1 honours
2:2 honours
3rd class honours
pass


I hope that helped and you don't end up doing what I did!



i'm so excited i wish i could wet my pants!
User currently offlineBrownBat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 13 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 15):
1) there are only 3 airlines i would ever consider flying for, if i dont get these 3 then i walk away (BA, EK, CX)

You still haven't told us how you plan on achieving these companies but I'd avoid flying all together if this is your mentality. Nobody picks an airline out of a list and says this is where I'll go, it takes years of experience and hard work. By the way it's very difficult to get into BA unless you're a UK citizen and have EU flying experience.


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4714 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 11):
Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):
University of Florida

Greatest University on Earth!

Is that the one in Gainsville? Drove past there with some friends this summer, and after driving by the beach volleyball field I was forced to turn around :P. I think I could spend some time there  Wink.



For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and ther
User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2875 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Well, if you apply for ERAU, let me tell you acceptance isn't too big of a deal. I just got my acceptance letter today and I can tell you I'm am a very average student.


LETS GO MOUNTAINEERS!
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 20):
Is that the one in Gainsville? Drove past there with some friends this summer, and after driving by the beach volleyball field I was forced to turn around :P.

You'll have to be more specific. We have several beach volleyball fields.  Wink


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Thread starter):
Deciding The Rest Of My Life......

With all of those qualifications, sounds like it's almost time to give up.... RE: ..And So My Working Life Ended... (by Jap Aug 7 2006 in Non Aviation)


User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10256 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 hours ago) and read 2601 times:
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Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 15):
1) there are only 3 airlines i would ever consider flying for, if i dont get these 3 then i walk away (BA, EK, CX)

Then you might as well walk away now and save yourself the wasted years and money.

There's absolutely no way you can ever be sure of a job with any of those three airlines. And as was stated, it will very likely NOT be your first job.

I'd say, go for the Econ if that's what you're interested in. Aerospace Engineering is also a great field, but be sure that you're alright with doing a lot of math and physics.

Try and pick a school that offers what you want, and where you can see yourself being happy (although it's pretty tough to know whether you'll be happy there until you're actually living there).

Given your varied interests, you'd do well to pick a school that offers a broad variety of good programs. I was originally thinking of going to FIT (I think) for their aerospace program. But I'm terribly glad I settled on USC instead, because it afforded me the opportunity to pursue my musical interest, and other activities outside of class.

Good luck.



How can I be an admiral without my cap??!
25 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : HA! Good one. You know what's amazing... you're the except to the rule. Most flight school students get so violent when someone says, "I am intereste
26 TZ757300 : Personally, I think that just comes with the territory. If someone can spend 40k a year learning how to fly, they will get cocky about it cause they
27 Mir : I'm a pretty average student, and I got into ERAU, UND and Purdue, so it can't be that hard. Unforunately, I've tried two of the three, and neither h
28 Asuflyer05 : I would get the Econ degree. You can always use it to work for an airline, for example their revenue management department, etc. If you choose the fli
29 AirWillie6475 : Dude you sound like a 10 year old with SJS. Ask any major airline pilot if they ever knew they would wind up at their present airline when they were
30 FriendlySkies : If you're considering AE, do yourself a HUGE favor and just do Mechanical Engineering. It's 90% the same stuff, and you can get an AE minor if you sti
31 Post contains images JRadier : sounds like the place to get my masters degree
32 Post contains links KaiGywer : Norges Teknisk-naturvitenskapelige Universitet. Nothing there even closely remoted to aviation though. Most Norwegians go to the US to get their flig
33 Greasespot : Picking a college is far from deciding the rest of your life. Hell i went from a BA in history...to Aircraft maintence Engineer to Police officer...Al
34 TZ757300 : Care to explain why?
35 Vikkyvik : I actually disagree with that. AE opens many many doors beyond just the aerospace field, also. Yes, ME is a bit more general, but if you're intereste
36 Speedbird747BA : Those are the only 3 airlines i have ever really valued. Im not an idiot, I know that its 1 to 10 million getting that job, but its my dream, a dream
37 Legoguy : Mechanical engineering. I am currently studying Aeronautical engineering and love it! I would personaly recommend Aeronautical or Mechanical engineer
38 AirWillie6475 : Again, I don't really think you know how the industry works. I think you should get a hold of an airline pilot at the airport or find one at the loca
39 PanAm330 : Why's that? Riddle is #1 in the United States for aerospace engineering, last I (and many others) knew. Or perhaps that's just some of the sh*t they'
40 Speedbird747BA : Ahem. Actually I DO know how the industry works. Id love to fly for BA, it would be the best job ever, but I dont think its worth joining the militar
41 AirWillie6475 : What are you talking about??
42 AirCop : Great point, what you choose today, chances are you won't be doing the same twenty or thirty years down the road. Some articles that I have read, peo
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