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What Are Guns N Roses Are Thinking?  
User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years ago) and read 1531 times:

So last night I go to the GNR show in Chicago. Overall a pretty good show, nice long setlist of 22 songs, played the classics the fans rocked out to, but hardly anyone knew a word of the 4-5 new songs they played. My question deals with the start time of the show, GNR didn't get on stage till 11:35 and played till 1:50. The 1st opening act went on about 8. None of these fans go there for the opening act's. Why not just have one or a short two, and have GNR on stage between 10-12. With the late start many fans were simply too tired to rock out, and even more depressing people kept leaving in waves during the set. Doesn't GNR understand these fans have to work the next morning? I love this band, they are by far and away my favorite, but it was depressing when at times I was the only one standing in my section. I cannot understand why they can't help the fans out just a bit sometimes. Also would it kill them to finally release Chinnese Democracy so the fans at least are familiar with the new material?

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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11955 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

If the band start playing on time, then it ain't rock and roll...  Wink

I know it can be annoying. The only time it really annoyed me, was when I went to see The bands Susperia and Lumsk play in Oslo. Susperia went on nearly 2 hours late, and when Lumsk came on afterwards, I could only stay for 10 minutes, before making a dash for the last train of the night, back to where I was staying, due to a "class" the following day.

Luckily the band played a concert nearby a few months later, so I got to see them in the end.

Thom@s



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7423 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1491 times:
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Quoting Jaws707 (Thread starter):
GNR didn't get on stage till 11:35 and played till 1:50.

That was frequent of G N' R back in the day. I think that Axel Rose seems to forget his fan base is alot older now instead ofin their late teens/early 20's. They have jobs, and kids. That'll change and he'll start being more punctual when the attendance is down(like it would ever increase anyway)



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

I'm a fan of GNR, and have been since Appetite. The raw terror of that album... I don't know.... It somehow made the world more real.

The best of artistry tells you that the world isn't what you know. It's what they know, and even at that, hardly.

GNR is hardly the best band ever to exist. A lot of what they do, I don't like, or at least, I don't get. But I get the sense that they're genuine, and that the music they create and play comes from the lessons of hard living. They pushed the envelope; the envelope pushed back. And they lived to tell the tale.

In the end, in a very real sense, each of us are artists. We're the creators of our own lives, and we make what we can of what we're given. Like sculpture from clay, we make every moment as it comes, whether we're prepared for it or not. Sometimes our work is destroyed, like sand castles in the tide. But in other moments, the clay is fired in the heat -- the heart -- of existence, and it becomes strong. It becomes permanent. It survives the ages.

As they say: Life is short, but art is forever.

I think that when band like GNR touches us in a way of such permanence, it has engaged the way of artistry.

Criticize it as one will, but at least, it is, or at least was, in touch with the art of life.

Welcome to the jungle, indeed.

[Edited 2006-11-28 20:48:43]

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5198 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

This ain't GNR, it's Axel Rose and some sidemen.


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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 4):
This ain't GNR, it's Axel Rose and some sidemen.

Amen brother...


User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1368 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 4):
This ain't GNR, it's Axel Rose and some sidemen.

True, the band does not have the attitude that the original band had, but they are very talented and sound great. This is why I think its critical they release Chinese Democracy soon, so instead of playing the classics the band can play some more new material that the new band wrote.


User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Guns 'N Roses?

What's the line up today? I value the original GNR's drummer, definitely and mostly Slash and the Rythm Guitarist, these are Guns 'N Roses for me.

Axl Rose too, but that's one individual and the above are three.

That's why I consider Velvet Revolver (who has the first three today) to be more Guns N' Roses than Guns N' Roses. The only problem is that they when I saw them I was disappointed.

Who's the latest guitarist in GnR? I heard Buckethead left.

Kay


User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10254 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1328 times:
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Quoting Kay (Reply 7):
What's the line up today? I value the original GNR's drummer, definitely and mostly Slash and the Rythm Guitarist, these are Guns 'N Roses for me.



Quoting Kay (Reply 7):
That's why I consider Velvet Revolver (who has the first three today) to be more Guns N' Roses than Guns N' Roses. The only problem is that they when I saw them I was disappointed.

Not entirely accurate. GnR's original drummer was Steven Adler (who played on Appetite for Destruction and GnR Lies). He was fired due to his substance abuse (yeah, fired from GnR for substance abuse, who would have guessed...), and replaced with Matt Sorum.

Matt Sorum was the drummer on Use Your Illusions I and II and The Spaghetti Incident. He is the drummer for Velvet Revolver.

FYI, Izzy Stradlin was the rhythm guitarist through the Use Your Illusions.



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User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1319 times:

Yes, I actually meant Matt Sorum who was actually a great drummer, when I saw Velvet Revolver, I didn't even know that it was him until later!!!!

I found Matt's drumming to be something that makes a difference. Metallica needed someone like him IMHO.


Kay


User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10254 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1315 times:
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Quoting Kay (Reply 9):
Metallica needed someone like him IMHO.

Metallica still needs someone like him. Anyone who can hold a steady tempo live is better that Lars.

Although, I did just find out that they actually played Dyers Eve live at the Forum on March 5, 2004, for the first time ever. Wonder how Lars made it through that. (also, I was at the show the next fucking day......kinda pissed about that.....)



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1315 times:

Quoting Kay (Reply 7):
That's why I consider Velvet Revolver (who has the first three today) to be more Guns N' Roses than Guns N' Roses. The only problem is that they when I saw them I was disappointed.

That's kind of the problem; there is no GNR any longer in the Appetite / UYI (I / II) sense, to me.

Reality aside, I don't think that GNR has matched any of the above three albums in any of its other releases.

None of this is to detract from either GNR or any of its members, including Rose. Sometimes, a band exists to say just a few things. How well it's said is independent of how much is said, and perhaps this is something that happens to apply in this case.

Still looking for great things from Rose, I am. But in my view, he's taking the self-destructive route that so many other artists have, before him, and I hope that he has what it takes to get it together before too long.


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