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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Wow. Even Hillary is more likeable.

Quote:


Kerry finished dead last in 'likability' poll
November 29, 2006 12:09 AM

Democratic Sen. John Kerry, considering a second bid for the U.S. presidency, finished dead last in a poll released on Monday on the Likeability of 20 top American political figures.

Among those placed ahead of Kerry were about a dozen potential 2008 White House rivals, including Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

"This is bad bad news for Kerry," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute in Hamden, Connecticut, which conducted the survey.

"Americans know who he is, and have pretty much decided they don't like him," said Brown. He noted the poll found that 95 percent of respondents said they had heard enough about Kerry, who lost the 2004 White House race to President George W. Bush, to rate the Massachusetts Democrat.


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

I don't think this should really come across as much of a surprise to anyone. The only reason Kerry got as many votes as he did in '04 was because of people voting AGAINST Bush [which was a warning that the GOP either missed or ignored and ended up costing them dearly last month]as opposed to FOR Kerry inasmuch as that was the core of the Dems campaign: "Anyone But Bush".

What alternatives for the Nation did Kerry REALLY bring to the party besides not being Bush?

Nada
Zero
Zip

[Edited 2006-11-29 15:56:35]

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

I should also add that people often think of "likeability" and "respectability" as being synonymous. That is not the case. Bill Clinton is a classic example of the former: a smooth talking, good looking chum who was a great ladies man and probably a lot of fun to be around but as a leader, was difficult to take seriously.

Then there was one of the supervisors I had when I worked at Pacific Bell: She was a hard driven, very demanding, sometimes pushy boss. I didn't like her at all. But she knew what she was doing, was fair and consistent, and would defend us from attacks from other departments. So while I didn't like her, my RESPECT for her was immense.

[Edited 2006-11-29 16:01:48]

User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

John Kerry has the personality of a cold pile of platypus shit.

Don't like him, don't respect him.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 1):
What alternatives for the Nation did Kerry REALLY bring to the party besides not being Bush?

THAT should have been enough anyway !
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Quoting Miamiair (Reply 3):
Don't like him, don't respect him.

He would have become and may still become a really good president
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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
He would have become

Thanks, No!

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
may still become a really good president

Hopefully no.

The guy has the backbone of a jellyfish.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Even Hillary is more likeable.

"even" ? You do not find Hillary likeable ?
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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Even Hillary is more likeable.

"even" ? You do not find Hillary likeable ?

I find Hillary to be an extremely intelligent and articulate politician who has done an admirable job of positioning herself as a centrist senator when is clearly as liberal as they come.

"Likeable?" You've got to be kidding.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2280 times:
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
He would have become and may still become a really good president

Thankfully, we'll never find out. Just another straw poll thrown out there, which is meaningless at this point. Primaries start this summer, and Obama is already out there in Iowa and VT.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2251 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 7):
as liberal as they come.

in my view, "liberals" are centrists, and Hillary is a moderate social democrat to the left of the liberals but to the right of the socialists

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 8):
Obama is already out there

this might be a change, interesting


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 7):
as liberal as they come.

in my view, "liberals" are centrists, and Hillary is a moderate social democrat to the left of the liberals but to the right of the socialists

She might be a centrist to you, but compared to most US politicians, she is much farther to the left than you seem to understand. Her health plan in the 1990's was socialist through and through.

All goes to show how effectively she has "remade" herself, of course.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
most US politicians

most US politicians including Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are either right-of-centre centrists or moderate right-wingers (Nixon/Ford/BushSr) or hard right-wingers (Reagan/BushJr). Left-of-centre liberals like Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis have only slim chances in the end. Both Messrs Mondale and Dukakis in most of Europe would have had a nice success.
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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 3):
John Kerry has the personality of a cold pile of platypus shit.

That's an insult to platypusses worldwide.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
He would have become and may still become a really good president

He would have been an utter disaster. Even worse than blowjob Billy, worse than Carter, certainly worse than Bush Jr. (who isn't the best you've had but the best you had to choose from in '04 OR '00).

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 6):
"even" ? You do not find Hillary likeable ?

As likeable as a rotting dead frog.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 7):
I find Hillary to be an extremely intelligent and articulate politician who has done an admirable job of positioning herself as a centrist senator when is clearly as liberal as they come.

No question about that, husband did the same, redoing his image after losing re-election as Attorney General in Arkansas.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
All goes to show how effectively she has "remade" herself, of course.

Most politicians somewhere down the line "remake" or "repackage" themselves to gather votes. Prime example on the other side in John McCain. Not a moderate as label by the press, but a hard core conservative.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Again, this is a rare occasion when I agree with my friend Matt D in a political thread...his first post that is.
I was one of those that voted for John Kerry because I can't stand Bush.
That was the case for most who voted for Bush. Kerry came within 1 state of defeating Bush and 3% points nationwide. 48% is high for a protest vote.

I do respect John Kerry a lot but I don't think he should run in 2008. Just look at the beating he took by the press for his comments last month? There is no way he could expand on what he won in 2004.

This thread however is no suprise. John Kerry was behind in these mock polls over a year ago.



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User currently offlineTurtle From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
do respect John Kerry a lot but I don't think he should run in 2008. Just look at the beating he took by the press for his comments last month? There is no way he could expand on what he won in 2004.

Please Superlfy, don't respect this guy. As a senator of this state, he has no back bone. He has been absent of every contravertaill vote in this commonwealth (pussy) and is just as a weather vain on those that will gain his interests. We don't need leaders like that.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 3):
John Kerry has the personality of a cold pile of platypus shit.

What has Ornithorhynchus anatinus done to you?  Smile

If JK had had a poisonous spur, he might have got a bit further.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Is this a polling of the same Americans who'll sit, stand, sleep, live in lines for days, weeks on end to get a new X-Box game, buy concert tickets, etc...while at the same time watch tv reports of Halliburton pissing away US tax dollars while stuffing their faces and refuse to demand excruciating accountability? Yeah, that crowd knows EXACTLY what's it talking about. Follow them..

I think Kerry will be just fine... a few years ago a lot more people liked Dubya..now he has more supporters on A.net than he does on any street in the country. Kerry, like any politician needs only to rely on the inevitable..the unfailing 'short-term memory' of the American public! As a group they have no idea what want..or don't want. And if they indicate as much..give it time, it undergo a complete reversal. Or they'll wait til they are told 'what to like'..


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineAdopim88 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

The man honestly scared me. We talked a lot about him in a Current Issues class that I took. He gave me the heebie jeebies all around. I think if he had won I was going to find an uncharted island on Lake Superior (lol, bad joke) and live there. He is just way to hypocritical and the way he would change his stand on things constantly was just not right.


Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 12):
an utter disaster. Even worse than blowjob Billy, worse than Carter,

worse ? I mean, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were 2 of the best US presidents ever. I do NOT take Bill Clinton's "contacts" with Ms Lewinsky as part of his political profile.
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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 19):
Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were 2 of the best US presidents ever

Most definetly NOT!!!

Those two did more to damage the security of the US. The glorified peanut farmer gave back the Panama Canal, by his tacit approval gave rise to the Sandanistas in Nicaragua, the madman Khomeni in Iran and further cut the US military. Clinton did what? Allow a warlord to keep power in Somalia, did not keep his promise to hunt down OBL after the first Trade Tower attempt, the USS Cole, the embassies in Africa and last but not least, could have taken the mastermind out before his term expired and didn't. I could care less who he banged, but be a man, own up to it. Instead he lied. He perjured himself. He thought himself above the law and got away with it. No integrity, and that is a must for the chief executive.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 20):
gave back the Panama Canal,

was a positive step. And most of all, he brought about the CAMP DAVID ONE agreement.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2045 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):
And most of all, he brought about the CAMP DAVID ONE agreement

I agree with you 100% on that one. That was his crowning acheivement.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 19):
I mean, Jimmy Carter

With JC as President from 2000, there is no way you would have had a war in Iraq and he would on his track record in the 70s, likely have bid fair to sorting out the Palestine and Lebanon problems.

For the JC critics, imagine US foreign affairs without those small hiccoughs and see if you still want to condemn the Peanut farmer against the Oil Company front man. At least Jimmy grew his own peanuts!


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 23):
Jimmy grew his own peanuts!

Whatever his critics may say, he definitely and for sure was the greatest peanut-farmer ever !! Beside having been, to repeat it, one of the best presidents they have had. He was in favour of peace, he was in favour of just solutions in the Middle East, he was in favour of the protection of the environment, he was in favour of self-determination and democracy in the world, and he favoured fair solutions to matters like the Panama Canal. He of course also made mistakes just as everybody.


25 Post contains links OU812 : I can understand one believing Clinton was a good president . Even though , the boom of the 90's would most likely not have been possible if it were
26 ME AVN FAN : Millions & millions of innocent people died during all presidencies. Bad things happened during history. And it was NOT any different during the term
27 Halls120 : No, he was one of the worst. He was almost defeated by a fellow democrat in the primary elections of 1980 - his own party didn't care for his record.
28 ME AVN FAN : he was the only US president who was even handed and correct in Middle Eastern matters. He worked in favour of the protection of the environment, and
29 Post contains images Yyz717 : You need to learn to form an opinion. What hurts John Kerry even more is his horrendously out-spoken boorish wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry. She was very c
30 ME AVN FAN : while I regard Laura Bush as a nice woman, I fail to see ANY "appeal" of GWB, as that person simply is appalling - while Teresa Heintz may be far too
31 Post contains links OU812 : Sorry Carter was one of the worst , if not the worst ! Are you awear he lost practicaly every state in the US when he ran for re-election ? The econo
32 AndesSMF : While he did well in the ME, the Iranian Revolution essentially negated ANY foreign policy successes he had. As a stupid aside, am I correct to assum
33 Jafa39 : The really bad news for John Kerry is that I have a meeting with him at 14:00 on monday. But that might be a different John Kerry...................
34 AirCop : Rewriting history I see.Somalia happen on Bush I watch, and remember the UN rules of engagement; seemed to remember some convictions after the First
35 AndesSMF : Talk about rewriting history...pull out from Somalia occurred in 1993, and who was president then???? Yes, yes, they sent cruise missiles to one of h
36 Halls120 : While Somalia started on Bush I's watch, Clinton's idiot Sec Def Les Aspin was the military genius that denied the CoCom's request for sufficient arm
37 AirCop : I suppose one could argue that if Bush I's staff didn't get him involved in Somalia for "something to do" during his last two months, the US would nev
38 ME AVN FAN : it in a way is part of the Middle East, but in a way already in "Asia". The Iranian revolution would have come regardless of who was president in the
39 Post contains links Baroque : I take it this is received wisdom, from reading or hearing what, I wonder. Have you noticed that the person who replaced JC, first arranged to delay
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