QANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 874 times:
In an interesting turn of events, Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister Kevin Rudd and the Shadow Health Minister Julia Gillard are challenging Kim Beazley for the leadership and deputy leadership of the party.
I think if Rudd and Gillard are successful - they could present a significant challenge to the sitting coalition at the next election.
How will this change Australian politics?
I'm a big fan of Beazely, but I'm an even bigger fan of Rudd. I fear that Kim's best days are behind him and he should shuffle off to the private sector. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has a nice ring to it...
VHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5517 posts, RR: 20 Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 867 times:
Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Thread starter): I think if Rudd and Gillard are successful - they could present a significant challenge to the sitting coalition at the next election.
I agree. Rudd would inject something new into the party and into Australian politics. Though at the moment to me Labor still seem to be struggling their only weapon into the next election is their IR policies
QANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 867 times:
Quoting VHVXB (Reply 1): Though at the moment to me Labor still seem to be struggling their only weapon into the next election is their IR policies
..and the failures of the Howard government. Of course, these things need to be marketed to the electorate appropriately, and despite the polls - Labor is going to face a tough battle to get the primary vote above 40%
Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 2): Labor is going to face a tough battle to get the primary vote above 40%
In saying that do you think Howard will contest the next election or Costello? Either way their reputation has been some what damaged because of the fueding which has occured over the leadership.
QANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 855 times:
Quoting VHVXB (Reply 3): Yes and which government doesn't
Of course, but it's up to the opposition to appropriately exploit them. In my opinion, there hasn't been a more repulsive federal government in living memory than this one - and I think Labor had bloody well highlight their failures to the Australian public if they want to win my vote.
Quoting VHVXB (Reply 3): In saying that do you think Howard will contest the next election or Costello?
It will be Howard. No doubt about it. Menzies' record is tantalisingly close.
QFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2042 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 847 times:
I sure hope that Rudd gets it, he's the one to lead Labor to the next election. Kim Beazley is old news and neads to get off the centre stage and let someone else in.
Quoting VHVXB (Reply 3): Either way their reputation has been some what damaged because of the fueding which has occured over the leadership.
And Abbott says that Labor is once again screwed, that big kefuffle hurt them real bad...
Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 4): and I think Labor had bloody well highlight their failures to the Australian public if they want to win my vote.
Why do they have to get it accross to the Australian public, surely you know all the failures of the government, why do they have to tell the Australian public then?
BTW, if Rudd wins this and the next election will he be Australia's youngest ever PM?
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8326 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 846 times:
I think Rudd will be a better choice the Beazley. I think Kim is fooling himself that he can take on Howard and win. Past elections don't favour him. I see Kevin Rudd on Sunrise each Friday, and there seems something rather boring about him, he seems to chase the issues in a clamer manner, where as Beazley seems to have more fire so to speak.
As a Liberal voter, I fear the end is nigh for the Liberal government regardless of who is leading into the next election. The Australian people seem to becoming dissoriented with their changes. Some have been for the good some for the worse. The change in IR laws will be a big thorn in their side at the next election.
Quoting VHVXB (Reply 3): Either way their reputation has been some what damaged because of the fueding which has occured over the leadership
A change in leadership for Labour ahead of the last election didn't work, and there is no guarantee that it will work this time either. Labor does seem to lack stability when it comes to their leadership, one thing the Liberal appear to have.
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8326 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 842 times:
Quoting QFA380 (Reply 8): When Howard goes and Costello steps in they too will have instability. It sucks because Howard is the only Liberal who can actually do anything.
True, but lets not foget that prior to the Liberals coming back to power they had an unstable period where anyone who was anyone had a got at being the party leader.
VHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5517 posts, RR: 20 Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 837 times:
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 6): A change in leadership for Labour ahead of the last election didn't work, and there is no guarantee that it will work this time either. Labor does seem to lack stability when it comes to their leadership, one thing the Liberal appear to have
Kind of the same situation for the Libs in state politics at the moment.
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 9): True, but lets not foget that prior to the Liberals coming back to power they had an unstable period where anyone who was anyone had a got at being the party leader.
Well howard was the only well known figure as far as I can remember back then.
QANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 821 times:
Quoting QFA380 (Reply 5): Why do they have to get it accross to the Australian public, surely you know all the failures of the government, why do they have to tell the Australian public then?
Because it will demonstrate their ability to stay on message and communicate effectively with the electorate. An important skill for governments.
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 6): Labor does seem to lack stability when it comes to their leadership, one thing the Liberal appear to have.
Cast ye mind back to the Peacock/Howard/Peacock/Hewson/Downer/Howard era my good man. History repeats - this isn't party specific.
Quoting QFA380 (Reply 8): It sucks because Howard is the only Liberal who can actually do anything.
That's the problem, millions of Australian's DON'T want the Libs to do anything. Least of all govern.
Quoting VHVXB (Reply 12): you want entertainment look no futher than Tony Abbott.
If by entertainment you mean oppresively domineer, yes he is entertaining.
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8326 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 816 times:
Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 13): Cast ye mind back to the Peacock/Howard/Peacock/Hewson/Downer/Howard era my good man. History repeats - this isn't party specific.
Yeah I know.
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 9): True, but lets not foget that prior to the Liberals coming back to power they had an unstable period where anyone who was anyone had a got at being the party leader.
I actually think Prime Minister Julia Gillard has a nicer ring to it
As you said, I too think it's time for big old Kim to move aside. He's been there long enough (and too many times through terrible election defeats), and it's now become clear that he's not the best thing for the Labor party.
Labor has a pretty good chance to take the next election; having Rudd/Gillard at the top would just about seal the deal.
VHXLR8 From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 500 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 795 times:
Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 16): Actually those elections (1998 and 2001) were pretty bloody close. He came near to winning in 2001.
Sorry, for some reason had Victorian elections on the brain; that's what you get for posting after coming in off a long flight!
But close or not close, anyone who has led a party through two election defeats should really not be at the top (one defeat is bad enough).
Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 16): Won't happen. She jumped ship to the left a few years back. She will never have the numbers to become party leader. Never.
I know, hence the
But personally I do really like her though.
Aussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (6 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 736 times:
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I see Kevin Rudd as a good change and at the next election ill certainly be casting my votes towards him and see a change in government as well which is certainly needed.
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