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Should Rangers And Celtic Join The English...  
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24911 posts, RR: 56
Posted (12 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

...Premier League????
What are your thoughts???? I will post my thoughts, as a Rangers fan by saying that I hope this doesnt happen as I would not want the Scottish game to be killed.


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User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

They should wait a few seasons before trying to jump because its inevitable that the UEFA Cup will become a European League and they will probably be in it. Besides, they're not that good contrary to what some West of Scotland journalists think (pass the rosy specs Jim, ya Airdrieonians hun!)

User currently offlineSilverfox From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

What a lot of people havent considered is the following.
Both clubs leave the SPL. and join the premiership.
What happens if one/both end up at the bottom of the table at end of season. Back to the SPL? Oh yes thay cant wait to tell them to bugger off if that happened. Apply to the Highland League. same again So it will be Relgation to Nationwide Div 1, i can see the hun and the Bhoys doing that . What a fixture Torquay v Rangers!!! etc. No Better to stay a big fish in a little pool than risk that sort of embarrassment. Ok by all means enter the Worthless cup and see if they can cut it, but having seen Scottish Prem on a regular basis i dont thnk they could. Middle table at best. its only the money and the hordes of supporters down south that seems to be the attraction.


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24911 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 1355 times:

Axe the CIS and Worthless cups and make it a British Cup??


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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 3 hours ago) and read 1355 times:

I agree with Graham, i personally love watching the SPL, we should keep it.

Long live SPL!


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

The Rangers have already decided to rejoin the NHL, it happened October 1st Smile


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24911 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

Wrong Rangers Flyguy1  Big grin
Mmm...thought there might have been a few more replies than this?



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

What makes you think that leaving the SPL would be bad for Scottish football? I mean, it's not as if either side actually decides to play Scots in the first team anyway.

Rangers and Celtic are suffering because of their own shortsightedness. They are so powerful that no other sides have a hope of competing with them. As a result the league is at best a two horse race every single year. When it comes to Europe they are both useless because they generally play such abysmal sides week in and week out, so when they come up against a decent team they don't know what to do. So instead, they want to join the English league.

Well, I am not convinced that the English clubs want them. Not because they wouldn't do well, but precisely because their financial resources mean they probably would. If you were Manchester United (spit), Liverpool, Arsenal or Leeds would you want a pair of brand new competitors joining your league, and reducing your chances of the championship/a place in the European Cup (I refuse to call it the "Champions League")?

Finally, my understanding is that UEFA say that the Scottish clubs CAN join the English league, but that they would be ineligible for any European places, which I would have thought would be too high a price to pay.

Nope, Kirkie old boy, you'll just have to put up with winning the title up there on a monotonously regular basis, causing boredom to everyone and getting knocked out the Big Cup in the first round every year. At least until Celtic and Rangers decide to encourage the other clubs in the country.



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User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

Keep the shite up North....  Laugh out loud
Just kidding GKirk, i think it would be great with Celtic and Rangers in the Premiership, maybe drop Man Utd and Tottenham in the process  Laugh out loud
EGFf Big grin



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24911 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

Rangers and Celtic dont get embarrassed in Europe any more...we just cant get past christmas but this year...
Celtuic have a great chance of putting Valencia out, after having already defeated Juventus this season, whereas Rangers have a good chance of defeating PSG.
We shall see...



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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

Sure would make Premier League more interesting, but it would certainly kill Scottish Football league. I say yes.

Thom@s



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User currently offlineEGFF From UK - Wales, joined Sep 2001, 2201 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

it would form a sort of Alliance, i think it should go ahead...Go Rangers!
EGFF



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

I suppose the other question mark about this would be the possibility of FIFA then insisting on a Great Britain team rather than England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Now for those away from these isles you might think that was a good idea but none of us do.

The English think that they're the best team anyway and don't want the others. Actually, the English have always thought that, even when it wasn't true, e.g. late 1970's. Although Ryan Giggs would solve that left sided problem...

The Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish don't want it either, and never have. And why should they? A Great Britain team dominated by the English is hardly representative.

We should tread carefully, whilst the clubs wouldn't give a stuff about the above scenario (fewer internationals) the rest of us would.



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24911 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1320 times:

Yup, Id never support a UK national football team.  Pissed


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User currently offlineDaks From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

Even if the english and scottish fa agree in principal to letting celtic and rangers join the english league , where do you put them .It would'nt exactly be fair to put them straight into the premiership , I think the teams in the the 1st division would have something to say about it .They would be playing a full season and instead of 3 teams being promoted only 1 would be . Most 1st / 2nd / 3rd division fans would say put them into division 3 and let them try to work for promotion each year like every other team . Thats my 2 cents worth anyway !!

User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1314 times:


GKirk

Can't get past Xmas this year, don't you mean every year??

The only reason you wouldn't want Celtic/Rangers to join the proposed Phoenix league (dream on if you ever think you have a cat in hells chance of making the Premiership!) is because you would find out what real opposition was week in, week out.

In the SPL you have a 99% chance of making Europe every year, down south things would be very different.

Dream on my friend


User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

No way to a UK team.

Rangers and Celtic have always dominated Scottish football but whats different nowadays is that they think they are competing with the big boys in Europe by splashing out loadsamoney on foreign players - but most of them are well past their sell by dates (exceptions are Reyna, Petrov and Larssen). And both teams are in financial shtook because of it. Rangers in particular, arent anywhere near good enough to compete in the Premiership and the last decent scoring partnership they had was McCoist and Hateley, two guys you'd pay to go and see. Flo is useless, Mols is broken and De Beurre is a total waste of space. And the best move Barry Ferguson could make is to leave and join a club with a good discipline record (like Leeds Hahaha)

Scotty


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24911 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

And Bobo Baldhead isnt a waste of money???  Laugh out loud
He could join Leeds Utd also.
Anyway, Arveladze aint past it, maybe some of the others are but yes...you are correct the last partnership we had which was successful (and most lethal in Britian, if not Europe at the time) was McCoist and Hately. Ah those were the days when we were 1 goal from the European Cup Final, but then we went foreign, and Dutch in particular!  Pissed



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User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

Bobo (Row Z) Baldy as he's known.

Kirkie - you are spot on. Where are the guys who want to play for the jerseys and not the cheque book? If RFC were serious about bringing on Scottish players, they would have a dazzling front line of McCann, Miller, Dodds and Johnstone. (Alan, not Maurice!)

And they'd all get a game for Scotland

Celts are as bad. Larssen is good value but where did Simon Donnelly, David Hannah, Tommy Johnson (ok English but still a riot) go? Hartson and Sutton are OK as well but when will the young lads get a game? (and I dont mean Thompson the Tank Engine)

.


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24911 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Yes, Id much rather have Scott Wilson playing instead of Bert Konterman, Maurice Ross instead of Ricksen, Albertz back to Rangers (well he did have the Glasgow accent AND played for the jersey  Smile ) We haent had a great, outstanding defender since the days of Gough. Hendry wasnt given a chance.
Midfield, Ferguson is one who plays (and fights  Big grin ) for the jersey, Reyna is a great player but on his way down south, De Boer??? Nuff said.
Up front Flo, his goals to game ratio is excellent but doesnt work as hard as I would like him to. Caniggia, lots of talent but still past his peak. Arveladze looks like an excellent signing so far.
And the Goalkeeper, well he's shown on numerous occasions that he is world class.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

OK, then Scotty and GKirk, you both see what's wrong with the game in Scotland and it can't be coincidence that this is the worst Scottish national team in living memory or even of all time. So how do YOU think this should be addressed?

Moving the two principal sides to England won't change anything, the chances are there'll actually be fewer Scots in the sides. So, what do you think should happen?



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24911 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1294 times:

A Scotland manager who gives youth a fair chance.
A Rangers manager who gives Scottish players a chance, I would go with what Brian Laudrup says, and if Advocaat steps down as Rangers manager, then give Richard Gough the job. The team has not had a real "Spirit" since Walter Smith left.
Give smaller clubs in Scotland a bigger share of the TV money.



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User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

OF COURSE!!! The Scottish league would have a new champion at last! Rangers and Celtics don't deserve playing in such a league

User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1284 times:

GKirk is right. Fergie didnt win the Premiership and the European Cup with a team of foreigners. He got good foreigners and mixed them with great English, Welsh and Irish talent - Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Keane, alongside Stamm etc...and that helped England as well (OK I admit it - they are an excellent side)

You can buy your way to the top of the Scottish League but you cant buy your way to the top of Europe. btw has anyone noticed a side called Livingston? They are the Cievo of Scotland and may well make the UEFA cup next year, thanks to their mix of Scots and some strong overseas players, like defender Marvin Andrews

Scotty


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24911 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (12 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

As long as Livvy take more points of Celtic this season  Smile



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
25 Post contains images Banco : THUD! Banco reads Scotty's last post and faints from shock. Yes, Livingston's performance this year is pretty impressive. However, they aren't going t
26 Post contains images EGGD : To me, the SPL looks as open and competetive as it ever has been. Over the last year or so Rangers and Celtic haven't been running away with it, only
27 Post contains images GKirk : We get the Old Firm games for free, whether it be on Sky or BBC Scotland EGGD, Conference League?? Aint that where Stockport County are heading ????
28 Thom@s : Thom@s thinks Martin O Neil should take over Man Utd when Fergie quits. (Get in chat GKirk) Thom@s
29 Scotty : Banco We've all found it depressing for years. Even Rangers Chairman David Murray said at the weekend that R & C have killed the game in Scotland. But
30 Post contains images GKirk : Scotty, Hibs? Kilmarnock?? Aberdeen (sheep ********)
31 Scotty : Oh worse than that!! You're not even in the same league.
32 Banco : Super-Cally?
33 Post contains images David_itl : ....go ballistic Celtic are atrocious. (Note this must be read in accordance with post immediately above!) One of The Sun's better headlines David/MAN
34 Post contains images GKirk : Mmm...Falkirk, Raith Rovers, Stenhousemuir,Cowdenbeath,Ross County, Queen of the South (my local ), Stranrare, Berwick Rangers...
35 Post contains images David_itl : The good old "Scottish" town of Berwick David/MAN: 232 and sometimes counting
36 Banco : Could be Partick Thistle Nil. I mean Partick Thistle. Come on Scotty, put us out of our misery. Then, if its really bad, we'll put you out of YOUR mis
37 Post contains images GKirk : He's from Edinburgh, says its not in the SPL so is it...Edinburgh City (East of Scotland League) David_itl, you mean the English town of Gretna (actua
38 Post contains images Banco : Could be that he's a Meadowbank fan, but hasn't been for a while.... Can you blame anyone who has a choice selecting England over Scotland?
39 BCal DC10 : Let them in if you like. Can't be any worse than watching Southampton struggling against relegation every year, and yo yo teams like Charlton and Bolt
40 Banco : BCal DC10 - I guess I should volunteer for the diplomatic service. I studiously avoided saying your last comment!!
41 BCal DC10 : true tho isn't it Banco. It would all be worth it, just to solve that age old left side problem....
42 Post contains images GKirk : Meadowbank Thistle became Livingston 5 years ago
43 Banco : I sincerely hope that comment wasn't for me Mr Kirk. I know, that is why I put the post up in the first place.
44 Post contains images GKirk : Put what post up???
45 Banco : Get back to your starship you silly man!
46 Stretch 8 : I think the Rangers made a good move getting Lindros from Philly. Also, Pitino had to go from Boston.
47 Post contains images GKirk : Silly Stretch 8.
48 Post contains images Banco : Boston's in Lincolnshire isn't it? Never heard of a place called Philly!
49 Scotty : For the benefit of any Americans who might have strayed into this largely European and therefore meaningful discussion, we are NOT talking about the F
50 Post contains images Banco : Get out of bed the wrong side this morning did you Scotty?
51 Post contains images GKirk : Rangers Celtic were unlucky, but when you take Penalty's like that you deserve to lose. However some of Rangers pens were bad (Konterman (surprise,sur
52 Scotty : Was late Banco and had to drive like a loony to get to work - went downhill after that! anyway, I hope Rangers get Leeds United in the next round - th
53 Stretch 8 : I still don't know what you blokes are talking about. The Celtics have never been the same since Bird, Parrish, et. al. retired. We have a soccer team
54 Scotty : Go Scottish Claymores!! Scotty
55 Stretch 8 : Isn't Scotland a division of England, like the way Oldsmobile is part of General Motors?
56 Post contains images GKirk : Scotty, you want to punch him or shall I????
57 BCal DC10 : Stretch 8, I wasn't aware Washington had a team at all.... its a business park with a large Savacenter near Newcastle upon Tyne for goodness sakes...
58 Post contains images GKirk : GKirk agree's with BCal although Washington is closer to Sunderland than Newcastle
59 Banco : lol, Stretch 8. You've clearly picked up on the fact that the Scots are the easiest of all British people to wind up! Now, if I'd said that....
60 Scotty : Hey Stretch 8 - for a lawyer you're not doing very well. I hope your clients never rely on you to present evidence based on your knowledge of world ge
61 Post contains images GKirk : Scotty, chuck him in Govan wi' an Engerlund shirt on!
62 Scotty : Thats Scottish for "throw him to the lions" Except when some eejit huns start singin their daft songs at a Gers game Scotty
63 Post contains images GKirk : Those feck-wits should be banned, but there is a load of them
64 Post contains images GKirk : 3-1 to the Gers today! Now we face Berwick in the Scottish Cup. Celtic won 4-0 against a CRAP Dunfermline.
65 Scotty : BERWICK!!! 1967 and all that. Jock Wallace in goals on that famous day. The big Rangers will be shaking in their shoes at the prospect of taking on th
66 Banco : Gentlemen, why did Berwick join the Scottish league in the first place? And if, (HUGE if) the qualified for Europe, would they be prevented from enter
67 Scotty : Dont really know but according to their official website this is the story "Formed in 1881, Berwick Rangers are the most unique team in Scottish Footb
68 Banco : Yes, I guess you're right. It would be the same position if any of the Welsh teams qualified, such as Cardiff, Swansea or Wrexham. By the way, how do
69 Post contains images David_itl : I thought Berwick play in Scotland due to distances away from the other English clubs - I'm sure a journey from Berwick to Plymouth would have been v
70 Banco : I know what you mean David, but I remember when the Welsh league was established that UEFA made exceptions for those clubs who had always competed in
71 Scotty : Re Becks. No problem. He's a true football man and a great player. Just wish he'd a Scottish granny. And look at all the other tremendous players you'
72 Post contains images Banco : Depends on which Cole you mean. If it's Ashley, then get lost, we need all the left-footed players we can get. If its Andy, you can have him permanent
73 Scotty : That event was all hyped up. I was there and most of the fans were telling the mindless idiots to shut it. McCallister needs to know that most of the
74 Banco : Funny, if it's based on missing penalties, the entire Dutch team would never play again! What about Duncan Ferguson though?
75 Post contains images GKirk : Wee Eck the next Rangers manager possibly??? Maybe then we would get rid of Bert and get Kenny Miller playing and Stephen Hughes can take Reyn's place
76 Scotty : Ferguson has played his last game for Scotland. Kenny Miller is twice the player he is and so is Doddsy. Both want to play for the jersey. Ferguson co
77 Post contains images GKirk : Everyone knows Jersey is spelled Gersey
78 Scotty : Well I walked into that one eh?? Quite clever actually Kirkie - especially for a Hun!! Cheers Scotty
79 Banco : I thought it was spelled "Guernsey"! Or have I missed the point? Note for Kirkie, that was a J-O-K-E!!!
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