Luisde8cd From Venezuela, joined Aug 2004, 2516 posts, RR: 34 Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1933 times:
Today December 3rd 2006, 16 million Venezuelans will be electing their president for the next 6 years.
Incumbent Hugo Chavez is seeking a 3rd term while his opponent is a state governor who wants to halt Chavez's socialist reforms in the country.
Chavez who is highly popular abroad thanks to his constant anti-bush speeches (who doesn't hate Bush nowdays?) will rely on votes from the poor and the newly created "Chavista Elite Oligarchy" which has suddenly become rich while working for the government. You usually see them drinking 18-year old scotch in Caracas's most exclusive clubs, bars and restaurants.
Rosales claims that he will stop the outflow of Petrodollars to foreign nations (Cheap oil to USA, free oil to Cuba, Cash to Bolivia and Argentina, etc) and with that money he will be able to provide poor families with a debit card which will receive a monthly deposit of twice the minimum monthly wage which will be valid only to buy food and educational goods.
Chavez refused to hold a debate with Rosales claiming that his only contender was George W. Bush and his "evil empire".
Rosales slogan is "to rule for all 26 million Venezuelans" while Chavez is " we (Chavez supporters) are 10 million!".
I will vote tomorrow for Rosales, as I believe he will seek to unite a deeply divided country which is my homeland. In case Chavez wins, I will have to emigrate to some other country as I won't be able to consider this land as my homeland anymore, I simply don't belong in a socialist Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela where a "latin-apartheid" is taking in place, this time anyone who opposes Chavez will feel what dark-colored people felt in South Africa. I was born in democracy as a citizen of the Republic of Venezuela, anything else isn't my country.
Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis
Viasa we miss you!. Good times will return after Chavez is gone!
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1926 times:
Luis, I hope Rosales wins these elections, yet we should all be cautious because Chávez just might commit electoral fraud to stay in power. Are there going to be international election observers who will monitor these elections independently? If Chávez did not allow them to enter the country or prevents that they do their job, then this shows that he is a de facto dictator.
My best wishes to you and all other A.netters in Venezuela and let's hope that a victory by Rosales will end this madness and make Venezuela once again a Democratic Republic. Stay safe, Luis!
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29349 posts, RR: 62 Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1917 times:
I think the fix is in.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
Thumper From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 550 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1914 times:
Carmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4678 posts, RR: 35 Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1896 times:
I recall reading a while ago that the polls were placing Chavez ahead of Rosales by far... If that is so, I hope the tendency will be reversed when the actual voting takes place.
Mis mejores deseos para los hermanos venezolanos...
Carmen
Marambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 29 Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1887 times:
Interesting case, Venezuela. This whole Chávez thing reminds me of Juan Perón in Argentina, who ruled the country for decades (although he was president for less than 15 years) and still rules it, even though he's been dead for over 30 years now.
I will pay a close attention to the results, and really hope Chávez won't screw it up by cheating and causing fraud. Not that he really cares, but in that case he would be even worse than Mr Danger. As a foreigner, and a citizen of a country which has been somewhat helped by Chávez (he bought our bloody bonds, after all), I sincerely hope he will loose. I am sure he has made some good things - no administration does all wrong, but it is enough. Time to go home and write your memoirs, Hugo.
Luis, socialism is one thing and bolivarianism (sic) is another. As a socialist I am appalled to see you consider both ideas to be the same. XXI Century Socialism wants the country's wealth to be properly distributed among all citizens, not just to a minority. Rosales' debit card plan seems to me more socialist than what Chávez has done thus far, except for the misiones.
It is good for a country which received oil out of the blue (it is not that Bolívar was aware he was sitting above billions of petrodollars) to make some sort of charity with the rest, but given the current circumpstances, Venezuela must be selfish and sort its own things out first.
Saludos,
Marambio
Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2629 posts, RR: 15 Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1874 times:
Very interesting! In this BBC special report on Venezuela's elections, you can clearly see the country's demographic situation today compared to that of 1984. As you can see, the Venezuela of today, is a totally different Venezuela of yesterday. It is no wonder why Chavez is so popular with the masses and why unfornately, Chavez stands to be the winner of tomorrows elections.
Quite frankly, I don't mean to sound negative, but being realistic it just looks bleak for the opposition trying to change things around. Tomorrow evening many people in Venezuela will be making their minds of whether to stay or leave the country.
The best of luck to the people of Venezuela. Remember, with anything bad, there is also a good thing waiting on the opposite side.
In Latin America maybe but not in the US or Europe. You should see this documentary that was shown on Dutch television last week, it clearly shows the horror of the actual government.
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1): Are there going to be international election observers who will monitor these elections independently?
The ONU and Mario Vargas Llosa c.s. are there but if it will help?!
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13872 posts, RR: 28 Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1863 times:
Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter): "Chavista Elite Oligarchy" which has suddenly become rich while working for the government. You usually see them drinking 18-year old scotch in Caracas's
Crooks they may be, but they at least have some good taste !
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Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1): Chávez just might commit electoral fraud to stay in power
Isn't it possible that he simply WINS the elections ??
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Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8): In Latin America maybe but not in the US or Europe.
two different things. While in the USA many people may give quite some attention to Venezuela, the interest, for example in Switzerland, for Latin America is relatively limited. But among those interested in international politics, Mr Chavez is seen rather positively by many.
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Cedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2686 posts, RR: 23 Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1857 times:
The Organization of American States will observe Venezuela's December 3 presidential election, an OAS official said on Thursday, ensuring the presence of top Western diplomatic bodies in what may be a contentious vote.
Leftist President Hugo Chavez is favored to beat rival Manuel Rosales in polls. But Rosales recently warned of possible fraud and opposition leaders frequently accuse the state's electoral authority of favoring Chavez.
Mission chief Juan Fischer told reporters about 60 OAS observers would ensure citizens can "vote without any type of pressure" and that vote tallying would be done transparently.
Some 130 representatives from the European Union and eight to 10 observers from the Atlanta-based Carter Center also will oversee the vote.
My best wishes to the wonderful people of Venezuela.....and good luck with the election
Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5857 posts, RR: 41 Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1837 times:
Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 5): I recall reading a while ago that the polls were placing Chavez ahead of Rosales by far... If that is so, I hope the tendency will be reversed when the actual voting takes place.
the polls were made are bullxxxx, many guys will vote different than they said officially,
Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 8): In Latin America maybe but not in the US or Europe. You should see this documentary that was shown on Dutch television last week, it clearly shows the horror of the actual government.
not true, german media is showing Chavez as a guy who is doing a good job....
Well the situation is currently very calmed at least down here in Vargas, lets see what happened after we know the results
WiLdmanVzla From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 616 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1822 times:
I already voted here at the venezuelan consulate in Mexico City... everything was OK... & a lot of smiling faces from the opposition' supporters!!!!!!!.
(I'm singing right now 'atrevete - te - te').
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9): But among those interested in international politics, Mr Chavez is seen rather positively by many.
yeah, sure... it will be better if those 'interested in international politics' can stay just for a few days in any city of Venezuela, they will know for sure what's happening over there.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5392 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1814 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9): But among those interested in international politics, Mr Chavez is seen rather positively by many.
I can imagine who they are... "those interested in international politics"
Unfortunately, this reminds of the Mexican 1 party state that just recently ended. The PRI used to distribute a bunch of goodies to the poor masses to get them to vote for them. And that was the only thing the did for them. Much like Chavez. The statistics show that Venezuela is much worse after he got in power. But some of the poor masses adore him because of all the goodies he distributes.
Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2629 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1789 times:
It's official now.
Chavez will stay in office for at least six more years.
With 78% of the votes accounted for, the preliminary results are in:
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1776 times:
Quoting Avianca (Reply 15): Chavez reelected, sad day for Venezuela!
A very sad day. And what's worse, the bastard is giving his victory speech on live TV and thousands of people are celebrating his victory. I couldn't hear much of his speech, but I'm sure it's the usual populist bullshit he's been preaching for years.
Luisde8cd From Venezuela, joined Aug 2004, 2516 posts, RR: 34 Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1774 times:
I witnessed the vote recount in my election center. Rosales won with 87% against 12,5% for Chavez.
It's official, I'm outta this shit as soon as possible. I'm tired of 8 years of fighting this regime. Take this piece of land and screw it worse than before, I dont fucking care, I simply don't belong here...
Viasa we miss you!. Good times will return after Chavez is gone!
Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1763 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17): Quoting Avianca (Reply 15):Chavez reelected, sad day for Venezuela!
A very sad day. And what's worse, the bastard is giving his victory speech on live TV and thousands of people are celebrating his victory. I couldn't hear much of his speech, but I'm sure it's the usual populist bullshit he's been preaching for years.
I hope his supporters are enjoying being able to watch it on live TV. If President for life Chavez gets his way, uncensored TV in Venezuela may be soon a thing of the past.
Can't wait to see how all the Chavez apologists spin this one.
Quote: CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez backed the possibility of holding a national referendum, if he's re-elected, on whether to shut down private television stations that he has accused of subversive activities.
Chavez's comments late Thursday came amid rising tensions between the government and the country's largely opposition-aligned private media ahead of Sunday's vote.
Chavez was asked in a televised interview if he would consider asking the nation whether the government should block certain channels from renewing their broadcast licenses next year.
"That is perfectly possible," Chavez said. "It's perfectly possible that the country gives its opinion, including for how long."
Chavez also said he regretted not having shut down the country's major private broadcasters right after a short-lived 2002 coup against him, citing four in particular: Globovision, Venevision, RCTV and Televen.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13872 posts, RR: 28 Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1751 times:
Quoting WiLdmanVzla (Reply 12): those 'interested in international politics' can stay just for a few days in any city of Venezuela, they will know for sure what's happening over there.
a straight hit ! No, most people interested in international politics over here have never been in Latin America. I with half an hour in Matomoros beat most of them by a comfortable margin. As I stated before, interest here is so limited that the 2 leading newspapers in Zurich did NOT even have the Venezuela topic on their WEBsites on Sunday ! If wishing to get real information and not just a translated Reuters report you have to switch onto British or French media.
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Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 13): Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
But among those interested in international politics, Mr Chavez is seen rather positively by many.
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I can imagine who they are... "those interested in international politics" Yeah sure
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while I can assure you that I did NOT refer to a particular ethnic group and neither to a political 'sector'
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Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 18): I'm outta this shit as soon as possible. I'm tired of 8 years of fighting this regime. Take this piece of land and screw it worse than before, I dont fucking care, I simply don't belong here...
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Does your statement mean that there will no longer be any decent chance for private enterprise outside politics ? YOU may regard the question as naive, but it is THE question.
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let's not exaggerate, it is for 6/six years only, NOT for life. Interesting is that it is the same number of years as Egypt does elect its president.
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Solarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1732 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 20): let's not exaggerate, it is for 6/six years only, NOT for life. Interesting is that it is the same number of years as Egypt does elect its president.
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I'm sure Chavez will change the constitution to allow unlimited terms.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13872 posts, RR: 28 Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1726 times:
Quoting Solarix (Reply 21): et's not exaggerate, it is for 6/six years only, NOT for life. Interesting is that it is the same number of years as Egypt does elect its president.
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I'm sure Chavez will change the constitution to allow unlimited terms.
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to my utter regret, I canNOT fully contradict, as it indeed IS possible. This exactly is the reason why I broke up an intended reply to "Luiscd8cd" as I simply no longer knew what to say. What would YOU do in his place ? I mean, to encourage him to concentrate on the private enterprise sector may sound nice, but how can we guarantee him that his "Lider Maximo" does NOT nationalize exactly the sector in which HE is working ? And exactly SUCH things matter to people directly affected. Millions of people from countries like Algeria, Libya and Egypt left their countries upon such developments. In hindsight in many cases not very wise, but what ................. !
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Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1693 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 20): Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
President for life Chavez
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let's not exaggerate, it is for 6/six years only, NOT for life. Interesting is that it is the same number of years as Egypt does elect its president.
I notice you didn't address the main point of my post - Chavez's embracing the concept of censorship.
Like I said, can't wait to see how the Chavez kool aid drinkers spin this one.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13872 posts, RR: 28 Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1683 times:
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 23): Chavez's embracing the concept of censorship.
I thought that this was just a rethoric add-on. Do you really want to say that he "embraces" that idea and wants to introduce censorship ? Any serious source for this ? Or is that just a kind of "contra-demagogery" ?
25 Halls120: Wow. it took me about, oh, 10 seconds to relocate the following story I read on CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...z.venezuela.election.ap/i
26 L410Turbolet: Maybe comrade Vladimir, Comrade Alexander and comrade Fidel would be willing to share some know-how on how to make the pesky opposition shut up...
27 Derico: Let's hope the people of Venezuela don't regret in 2 years their choice today, but it seems Chavez won enough votes fairly, so you have to respect tha
28 Halls120: Let's hope that in 2 years, there is still an independent media in Venezuela able to report on what Chavez is doing.
29 Gunsontheroof: "Spin", eh? Would any of you care to offer any evidence that Chavez didn't legitimately win these elections? I can't believe how many of you are piss
30 ME AVN FAN: - this would be "the ugly face of 'real' socialism", and a bad move. But to keep matters in perspectives, private TV- and radio-stations were prohibi
31 Halls120: Gee, perhaps you could go back to my original post and note that I said NOTHING about the legality of his victory. But hey, don't let the facts get i
32 AndesSMF: Signs of things to come? Telemundo: Venezuela halts transmission "Officials identifying themselves as members of a state regulatory agency forced the
33 Dougloid: It's kind of funny, in a way, Chavez ran against George Bush.
34 LTU932: It's "Comrade Agent Vladimir" to be exact.
35 Gunsontheroof: My quoting of you was only directed at your "spin" comment. The rest of my post was directed at cries of foul play made by others and I should have m
36 Cedars747: Couldn't agree more,Chavez will enjoy the next 6 years with friends Alex!!!
37 AndesSMF: And with friends like that, who needs enemies!
38 SFOMEX: It's just me or isn't true that both "leaders" look pathetic using helmets?
39 Cedars747: Anyways ,I think he is concentrating more on Latins friends like the new President of Ecuador,Bolivia,Brazil and Argentina Alex!!!
40 AndesSMF: And if he gives as much money as he gives some of his 'friends', I'd be his 'friend' too!
41 Marambio: I don't know about Ecuador, Bolivia or Brazil, but here Kirchner is trying to get his relationship with Chávez to a minimum level. Indeed they like
42 Avianca: I am asking me what is fair, at least not the elections here in Venezuela all guys working for state-own companys did not have much choices, heard to
43 Cedars747: Hehe....He practically saved Argentina from bankruptcy.I will try to ask him some money to cover my credit cards specially after Christmas and New ye
45 Cedars747: Hugo Santa ! Anyways he loves red colours Alex!!!
46 AndesSMF: That's right! Xmas is Hugo's favorite color time! Let me tally up my receipts.
47 Marambio: Actually I am surprised by Venezuelans' reactions towards their Government buying our bonds last year. First, those bonds were for sale to anybody wh
48 Cedars747: The Latin version of FRIENDS Alex!!!
49 PPVRA: One has a foot in the grave, the other has a huge pickle in his hands and is at a loss, and the third is still smoking something that must be real go
50 Halls120: You'd think they might have learned that helmets aren't cool.
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I notice you didn't address the main point of my post - Chavez's embracing the concept of censorship.
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